Wheel Nut:
It turns out he had got his incorrect advice from another driver. MMTHB(My Mate Told His Boss)
Ah, the more dangerous version of the simple MMTM. 
The effects of MMTHB can be far wider reaching and harder to kill, better load the elephant gun for those as the standard gun,as used on the lesser spotted ROG, won’t do.
why do they do it.
make all these crazy rules.
i thought the tacho was complicated and now they have this wtd.
i igniore the wtd completely as theres enough to think of with tacho rules.
enough is enough.
when do we get time to think of our deliveries/collections and personal life.
its over the top have to spend your day working out when you can work and cant.
now i understand it, this rule actually makes sense.
Eg. Last week i started at 7am, drove 30 mins to the job spent the next 4 1/2 hours hand balling a full trailer. Drove back to barton park just in time for lunch with only 1 hour driving done.
you have to do 1½ hours “working time” and 4½ driving then you would have to take the WTD break. If you are heading from base on a long run then the 4½ hr break required for the tacho would cover you for the WTD break. If you were to drive 1 hour, do 3 hours “working time ie: other work”, then you would only be able to continue to drive for a further 2 hours and have a break for the WTD regs, even though you have 1½ hours driving time left…
at least that’s how i see it…
limeyphil:
Does any of this actually matter? has anyone ever been prosecuted for breaching WTD regs?
not as far as i know because it’s not a traffic offence,who is going to prosecute you & what are you going to be charged with■■?
i’ve gone over the 6 hour rule loads of times,i’ll take a break when i need one
jrl driver:
limeyphil:
Does any of this actually matter? has anyone ever been prosecuted for breaching WTD regs?not as far as i know because it’s not a traffic offence,who is going to prosecute you
VOSA, they are the organisation tasked with policing the WTD regulations. In reality however somewhere between none and very little policing is actually being done.
jrl driver:
& what are you going to be charged with■■?
You would be summoned for failing to comply with the WTD regulations, or something like that.
Mr B:
now i understand it, this rule actually makes sense.
Eg. Last week i started at 7am, drove 30 mins to the job spent the next 4 1/2 hours hand balling a full trailer. Drove back to barton park just in time for lunch with only 1 hour driving done.
Actually it doesn’t make any sense at all - it’s all bollox.
Supposing Mr B had started at 0700 then spent 6 hours handballing a load onto his motor he would be
well ready for a teabreak and yet the “law” says he needs to take only as little as 15 minutes.
Then after 4 1/2 hours driving during which he has done nothing more physical than looking out of
his front window and listen to the radio the “law” says he must take as much as 45 minutes.
I know what I would find to be the least strenuous part of the job.
Welcome to TruckNet-UK jrl driver
Given that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour rule
Mr B:
my head hurts!
Hopefully that’s better by now to
Like Mr.V I just take 2x30 mins. Lot easier.
And I can’t believe as well that a thread which is nearly 3 years old has been resurrected. 
Ken.
tachograph:
Welcome to TruckNet-UK jrl driverGiven that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour rule
Mr B:
my head hurts!Hopefully that’s better by now to
ha,never saw the dates doh! lol
Who gives a FLYING [zb]
MR VAIN:
So the easy solution is to have 2 30 min breaks and you’ve covered all angles? Well thats what i’ve been doing.
Snap !!! What he said
Given that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour rule
I hope so, or that could have been him i seen at scotch corner vosa checkpoint in a big red artic with a bright green metal wire rope through his drive axle 
Grahamy09:
Given that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour ruleI hope so, or that could have been him i seen at scotch corner vosa checkpoint in a big red artic with a bright green metal wire rope through his drive axle
no not me, ive long since got another job but ill have find out who was naughthy, what truck as it?
Mr B:
Grahamy09:
Given that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour ruleI hope so, or that could have been him i seen at scotch corner vosa checkpoint in a big red artic with a bright green metal wire rope through his drive axle
no not me, ive long since got another job but ill have find out who was naughthy, what truck as it?
No idea whose truck it was as it had no markings on it , but it was a brand new unit .
Sure the reg was SF60 ***
Mr B:
Grahamy09:
Given that this thread is nearly 3 years old I imagine Mr B has long since learned all about the 6 hour ruleI hope so, or that could have been him i seen at scotch corner vosa checkpoint in a big red artic with a bright green metal wire rope through his drive axle
no not me, ive long since got another job but ill have find out who was naughthy, what truck as it?
No idea whose truck it was as it had no markings on it , but it was a brand new unit .
Sure the reg was SF60 ***
hi wheelnut just to point something out if your classed as a night worker you are not limiterd to 10 hours it is at your own choice if you work more than 10 hours but the company can not make you if you dont want to
I don’t want to throw a spanner in the works but I’m sure the regs have changed slightly since this thread started ?
I’m sure the first WTD rest period at or before your first 6 hours work now can’t be less than 30 mins rather than the 15 mins mentioned in the earlier posts ?
(I stand to be corrected !).
This also happened with rest periods made up of 3 x 15 min breaks before 4.5 hrs driving, now changed to the current regs were you have to have 30 mins first if you split.
It says ERF not RAF:
I don’t want to throw a spanner in the works but I’m sure the regs have changed slightly since this thread started ?
I’m sure the first WTD rest period at or before your first 6 hours work now can’t be less than 30 mins rather than the 15 mins mentioned in the earlier posts ?
(I stand to be corrected !).
This thread was started in April 2008, the current working time regulations came into operation on the 4th April 2005 three years before this thread was started
The break that’s needed to be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time is 15 minutes.
The RT(WT)R 2005 does not stipulate a length for the break that’s needed for what has commonly become known as the 6 hour rule, the regulations only say that no worker should work more than 6 hours without a break.
However as the minimum break that will count for the RT(WT)R is 15 minutes it’s assumed to be the minimum break required for the 6 hour rule.
It says ERF not RAF:
This also happened with rest periods made up of 3 x 15 min breaks before 4.5 hrs driving, now changed to the current regs were you have to have 30 mins first if you split
The regulations state that a 45 minute break must be taken immediately after 4 1/2 hours ■■■■■■■■■ driving, this break can be split into 2 parts the first of which must be no less than 15 minutes and the second part must be no less than 30 minutes.
It says ERF not RAF:
I don’t want to throw a spanner in the works but I’m sure the regs have changed slightly since this thread started ?
I’m sure the first WTD rest period at or before your first 6 hours work now can’t be less than 30 mins rather than the 15 mins mentioned in the earlier posts ?
(I stand to be corrected !).
This also happened with rest periods made up of 3 x 15 min breaks before 4.5 hrs driving, now changed to the current regs were you have to have 30 mins first if you split.
We have recently been told this and are now getting pulled by managers for it.
We start at 5am and they have said we now have to have a 30min or full 45 mins before 11am, wouldn’t surprise me if they have got it wrong though!