Hello,
Can anyone point me to a link which explains this?
I have done some searching without luck.
If I have minimum 45 hours off after doing 6 days, does this reset everything so I can do another 6 days?
Thanks.
you can do another 6 days but your total driving for the fortnight from sunday midnight to sunday midnight must not exceed 90 hours in total
welshboyinspain:
you can do another 6 days but your total driving for the fortnight from sunday midnight to sunday midnight must not exceed 90 hours in total
As far as I know 90 hours in the fortnight is the limit. 
aposhark:
does this reset everything
Could you elaborate more as to what you think gets reset 
Driving time - rest time - average working week time - drinking time… where did that come from 
Perhaps you could tell us what it is you are thinking of doing so that we can advise you as to whether it is legal or not 
welshboyinspain:
you can do another 6 days but your total driving for the fortnight from sunday midnight to sunday midnight must not exceed 90 hours in total
Dunno then?:
As far as I know 90 hours in the fortnight is the limit.
Almost right - 90 hours driving limit is for - any two consecutive weeks - it has a different meaning than the one you put as some might think that after a fortnight it gets reset when of course it does not.
Trivia - fortnight is a UK only word which is why it is not found in the EU regs.
aposhark:
Hello,
Can anyone point me to a link which explains this?
I have done some searching without luck.
If I have minimum 45 hours off after doing 6 days, does this reset everything so I can do another 6 days?
Thanks.
In any two weeks you must have either two regular weekly rest periods, at least 45 hours, or one regular and one reduced, 24 - 45 hours. You can do six days, weekly rest, 6 days regardless of whether the weekly rest is regular or reduced and the only consideration is each week has a weekly rest period applied to it and you observe the two regular or one regular and one reduced criteria. If the 12 days all fall into a two week period then you may have an issue with the two week, 90 hour driving limit. Provided you are taking the correct weekly rest and compensating for any reductions to those rest periods you could continually work 6 days between weekly rest periods, although in practice 3 or 4 weeks of 6 days before a long weekly rest to compensate for reductions is more likely. The regulations make no mention of how many days you can work each week, as with the number of hours you can work in a day it all depends on the rest periods.
The only thing a weekly rest period re-sets is reduced daily rest periods, once you have taken a weekly rest you have 3 reduced daily rest periods available before your next weekly rest period. It doesn’t re-set extended driving days, number of days you can work, driving time or anything else.
Coffeeholic:
The only thing a weekly rest period re-sets is reduced daily rest periods, once you have taken a weekly rest you have 3 reduced daily rest periods available before your next weekly rest period.
sorry to pick your brains again coffee but does that mean if i do 9 hrs breaks mon, tue and wed night then take 24 thurs i can take 9 hrs fri and sat night as well?
bonus if you say yes as thats a normal week for me so could get home 4 hrs earlier
welshboyinspain:
sorry to pick your brains again coffee but does that mean if i do 9 hrs breaks mon, tue and wed night then take 24 thurs i can take 9 hrs fri and sat night as well?
bonus if you say yes as thats a normal week for me so could get home 4 hrs earlier
Yes, since 11th April 2007 it is 3 reductions between weekly rest periods, which means you could do 6 reductions in a fixed week with a midweek rest period. Previously it was 3 reductions per fixed week.
Looks like good news for you, but think of all those times you could have got home earlier dating back to April 2007. 
Coffeeholic:
but think of all those times you could have got home earlier dating back to April 2007.
PMSL
Coffeeholic:
aposhark:
Hello,
Can anyone point me to a link which explains this?
I have done some searching without luck.
If I have minimum 45 hours off after doing 6 days, does this reset everything so I can do another 6 days?
Thanks.In any two weeks you must have either two regular weekly rest periods, at least 45 hours, or one regular and one reduced, 24 - 45 hours. You can do six days, weekly rest, 6 days regardless of whether the weekly rest is regular or reduced and the only consideration is each week has a weekly rest period applied to it and you observe the two regular or one regular and one reduced criteria. If the 12 days all fall into a two week period then you may have an issue with the two week, 90 hour driving limit. Provided you are taking the correct weekly rest and compensating for any reductions to those rest periods you could continually work 6 days between weekly rest periods, although in practice 3 or 4 weeks of 6 days before a long weekly rest to compensate for reductions is more likely. The regulations make no mention of how many days you can work each week, as with the number of hours you can work in a day it all depends on the rest periods.
The only thing a weekly rest period re-sets is reduced daily rest periods, once you have taken a weekly rest you have 3 reduced daily rest periods available before your next weekly rest period. It doesn’t re-set extended driving days, number of days you can work, driving time or anything else.
24 hour if you away from home,and 36 if break is done at home,i rekon
Lovelyperson:
24 hour if you away from home,and 36 if break is done at home,i rekon
not for the current EU regs - 24 hours anywhere
Lovelyperson:
24 hour if you away from home,and 36 if break is done at home,i rekon
You reckon wrong, it’s a minimum of 24 hours rest for a reduced weekly rest period at home or away.
Lovelyperson:
Coffeeholic:
aposhark:
Hello,
Can anyone point me to a link which explains this?
I have done some searching without luck.
If I have minimum 45 hours off after doing 6 days, does this reset everything so I can do another 6 days?
Thanks.In any two weeks you must have either two regular weekly rest periods, at least 45 hours, or one regular and one reduced, 24 - 45 hours. You can do six days, weekly rest, 6 days regardless of whether the weekly rest is regular or reduced and the only consideration is each week has a weekly rest period applied to it and you observe the two regular or one regular and one reduced criteria. If the 12 days all fall into a two week period then you may have an issue with the two week, 90 hour driving limit. Provided you are taking the correct weekly rest and compensating for any reductions to those rest periods you could continually work 6 days between weekly rest periods, although in practice 3 or 4 weeks of 6 days before a long weekly rest to compensate for reductions is more likely. The regulations make no mention of how many days you can work each week, as with the number of hours you can work in a day it all depends on the rest periods.
The only thing a weekly rest period re-sets is reduced daily rest periods, once you have taken a weekly rest you have 3 reduced daily rest periods available before your next weekly rest period. It doesn’t re-set extended driving days, number of days you can work, driving time or anything else.
24 hour if you away from home,and 36 if break is done at home,i rekon
First quarter of 2007 is on the phone, asking for its regulations back.
ROG:
aposhark:
does this reset everythingCould you elaborate more as to what you think gets reset
Perhaps you could tell us what it is you are thinking of doing so that we can advise you as to whether it is legal or not
Hi and thanks for the reply.
I am wading through all replies now.
An agency I work for has told me that we can only do 6 days one week, then 5 the next.
I cannot find anything anywhere that specifies this rule/law.
If I have 45 hours rest after the first 6 days, I thought I was OK to do another 6 days again.
I will have no problems with drive time over the last and the next week. I know this to be a fact because I know what will happen next week - minimal drive time due to standby a lot.
I just don’t understand where this 6 and 5 comes from?
The agency has been adamant about this all year…
Coffeeholic:
aposhark:
Hello,
Can anyone point me to a link which explains this?
I have done some searching without luck.
If I have minimum 45 hours off after doing 6 days, does this reset everything so I can do another 6 days?
Thanks.In any two weeks you must have either two regular weekly rest periods, at least 45 hours, or one regular and one reduced, 24 - 45 hours. You can do six days, weekly rest, 6 days regardless of whether the weekly rest is regular or reduced and the only consideration is each week has a weekly rest period applied to it and you observe the two regular or one regular and one reduced criteria. If the 12 days all fall into a two week period then you may have an issue with the two week, 90 hour driving limit. Provided you are taking the correct weekly rest and compensating for any reductions to those rest periods you could continually work 6 shifts between weekly rest periods, although in practice 3 or 4 weeks of 6 shifts before a long weekly rest to compensate for for reductions is more likely. The regulations make no mention of how many days you can work each week, as with the number of hours you can work in a day it all depends on the rest periods.
The only thing a weekly rest period re-sets is reduced daily rest periods, once you have taken a weekly rest you have 3 reduced daily rest periods available before your next weekly rest period. It doesn’t re-set extended driving days, number of days you can work, driving time or anything else.
Thanks for your very detailed reply, Coffeeholic
Lots of drivers I speak to are in the dark about this as I was 
I would say that the agency are trying to make things simple for their drivers.
Doing what they recommend would. in most cases, keep the weekly rests legal especially on a repeating work pattern over a two week period -
TWO WEEK REPEATING PATTERN
Start
Mon 6am - 7pm
ditto for next 5 shifts finishing Sat 7pm
Reduced weekly rest of 35 hours so 10 hours to pay back
Mon 6am - 7pm
ditto for next 4 shifts finishing Fri 7pm
Full weekly rest of 59 hours - 45+10=55 so got 4 hours to spare
Back to start
aposhark:
Hi and thanks for the reply.
I am wading through all replies now.An agency I work for has told me that we can only do 6 days one week, then 5 the next.
I cannot find anything anywhere that specifies this rule/law.
You won’t find it anywhere, the person at the agency telling you this is an idiot.
aposhark:
If I have 45 hours rest after the first 6 days, I thought I was OK to do another 6 days again.
You thought correctly, it is OK.
aposhark:
I just don’t understand where this 6 and 5 comes from?
The agency has been adamant about this all year…
It comes from people who either don’t read the regulations, read them but don’t think through what they are reading or only half read them.
HERE are the regulations we work to if we use a tacho. Print them out, it’s only 13 pages and ask the agency to point out the bit which says you can only do 6 then 5 and remind them if they can’t find it in there then it doesn’t exist and they are talking good old bull crap.
aposhark:
I just don’t understand where this 6 and 5 comes from?
The agency has been adamant about this all year…
It most likely comes from the fact that many drivers work a regular shift pattern, if for instance you were starting work on a Monday morning every week it would be difficult for most drivers to work 6 full shifts then have a 45 hour weekly rest and start again on the following Monday morning, but if your shifts are flexible enough or short enough to be able to work 6 shifts then have a 45 hour weekly rest before restarting on another 6 shifts then you have nothing to bother about.
If you do work the same shifts every week, say Monday to Saturday then weather or not you could do 6 full shifts every week would depend on the times you finished the last shift and the start time of the first shift in the following week.
may mate on containers and does 6 days every week and always gets is 45 in like tachograph said
tachograph:
you could do 6 full shifts every week would depend on the times you finished the last shift and the start time of the first shift in the following week.
he starts Sunday and finishing Friday
delboytwo:
may mate on containers and does 6 days every week and always gets is 45 in like tachograph saidtachograph:
you could do 6 full shifts every week would depend on the times you finished the last shift and the start time of the first shift in the following week.he starts Sunday and finishing Friday
It can be done quite easily when you don’t work to regular start and finish times. A couple of months ago I had a period where I did 6 shifts a week for 4 weeks and got a full rest at the end of weeks 1, 2 and 3.
Week 1 Start Monday and finish Saturday at 09:30
Week 2 Start Monday 10:00 and finish Saturday 15:00
Week 3 Start Monday 16:00 (short shift finished by 19:30) and finish Saturday 10:00
Week 4 Start Monday 13:30 and finish Saturday 15:30
Week 5 Start Monday 06:00