£53 k salary

[heisenberrg]

In the USA , Walmart pay their truckers $73 k salary. That’s just over £53k.

They do this because they know full well that if they don’t have enough drivers then deliveries will get missed, product goes out of date and their margins will suffer costing them way more in profits than paying Decent salaries.

If the UK retailers and manufacturers thought a little bit beyond the next quarters financials they would realise that they are going to have a big problem that is not going to be resolved by European drivers alone…particularly with Brexit about to go pear shaped.

UK truckers need to start getting a bit more hard nosed with employers.

[del_trotter]

Another day another dreamer posts ■■■■■■

[foresttrucker]

Wages have been increasing by more than inflation over the last 5 years - in my experience

I live in the South, I wouldn’t know what it’s like to drive class 1 for £8 p/h

[old_67]

foresttrucker:
Wages have been increasing by more than inflation over the last 5 years - in my experience

I live in the South, I wouldn’t know what it’s like to drive class 1 for £8 p/h

I’d say you deserve every penny you get mate. Any driver who can drive a loaded decker on the wheel rim, after a front tyre blow out, for HALF A MILE ■■? , should indeed be a top earner
Regards. John.

[rjan]

foresttrucker:
Wages have been increasing by more than inflation over the last 5 years - in my experience

I live in the South, I wouldn’t know what it’s like to drive class 1 for £8 p/h

RPI has run at about 15% in the past 5 years. So if you were on £10/hr five years ago, you’d need to be on £11.50/hr today just to have stayed still in real terms.

From my own judgment I’d say wages have just kept up with inflation, they haven’t increased, and I’ve seen statistics that support that personal impression.

Although that is better than most occupations that have lost money over 5 years.

I also think that the supply of drivers seems to have right-sized somewhat from a condition of significant over-supply.

Although there has been no rise in wages, bosses evidently have not been able to drive wages down in an economy of otherwise falling wages, suggesting that drivers’ bargaining power has improved relative to workers generally. If the general economy had seen rising wages, drivers would probably have seen significant rises.

Also, casual or peak-period-only workers are becoming harder to find (i.e. the bosses are having to offer more “whole jobs”), crap firms with crap shifts are struggling to find and retain (i.e. workers are not having to accept the very worst conditions), and new passes seem to be having less trouble getting in (i.e. the worst firms are having to accept new entrants readily, rather than fishing only for unemployed experienced workers).

[fingermissing]

Heisenberrg:
In the USA , Walmart pay their truckers $73 k salary. That’s just over £53k.

They do this because they know full well that if they don’t have enough drivers then deliveries will get missed, product goes out of date and their margins will suffer costing them way more in profits than paying Decent salaries.

If the UK retailers and manufacturers thought a little bit beyond the next quarters financials they would realise that they are going to have a big problem that is not going to be resolved by European drivers alone…particularly with Brexit about to go pear shaped.

UK truckers need to start getting a bit more hard nosed with employers.

Or perhaps there is not as many agency drivers over there so they have to pay that wage.

[foresttrucker]

What’s the average age of a British driver?

My impression is most drivers are in their 50s & 60s rather than 40s & 50s. I am in my 30s and I rarely encounter other UK drivers Class 1 of my age.

Class 2 drivers tend to be a bit younger. Also I think in Northern England you get a younger crowd, even female drivers seems to be a northern thing (following in their dad’s footsteps?)

Either training is subsidised or there will be many more Europeans. The flip side is more Europeans + more automatic driver aids, so hopefully road fatalities won’t skyrocket.

[caledoniandream]

Heisenberrg:
In the USA , Walmart pay their truckers $73 k salary. That’s just over £53k.

They do this because they know full well that if they don’t have enough drivers then deliveries will get missed, product goes out of date and their margins will suffer costing them way more in profits than paying Decent salaries.

If the UK retailers and manufacturers thought a little bit beyond the next quarters financials they would realise that they are going to have a big problem that is not going to be resolved by European drivers alone…particularly with Brexit about to go pear shaped.

UK truckers need to start getting a bit more hard nosed with employers.

It’s all very relative, just back from CT, house prices start at $200.000.
Can still buy houses up North and Scotland for under £ 100k
Salaries in the US are general higher as you have to pay for health insurance (private) and many other insurances.
The grass is not so green on the other side, the opertunities are massive and there is other things that add value, but it’s not the land of milk and honey.
Half my family are living there and they have worked bloody hard, for their old day as there is no pension, no social security (if you discount the food vouchers) no NHS.
But when they moved in the 70 / 80’s they worked bloody hard with man and wife, and have now an good life.

Quoting numbers doesn’t mean anything, for a Romanian / Bulgarian driver, we are making an absolute killing here, until they have to go to the shops here and pay £9.50 for,their ■■■■ instead of £0.95.
You buy a house in Poland for under £50 k, (a big one) so there is no comparison.

Look across the channel to the Dutch, their before tax salary is higher than the British, doesn’t mean that they have anymore left at the bottom line.

It’s easy going to,throw some figures in the air and hope that somebody bites.

Have a read of this; open.edu/openlearn/science-m … -countries and review the statement after

[bald_bloke]

Heisenberrg:
In the USA , Walmart pay their truckers $73 k salary. That’s just over £53k.

They do this because they know full well that if they don’t have enough drivers then deliveries will get missed, product goes out of date and their margins will suffer costing them way more in profits than paying Decent salaries.

If the UK retailers and manufacturers thought a little bit beyond the next quarters financials they would realise that they are going to have a big problem that is not going to be resolved by European drivers alone…particularly with Brexit about to go pear shaped.

UK truckers need to start getting a bit more hard nosed with employers.

How many hours would you have to put in every week to earn this much ? How much leave do you have ? How much do they put in your pension pot ?

[caledoniandream]

British average income is just over 26k
Have a look how that compares with other countries:

money.cnn.com/interactive/news/e … index.html

[tiredandemotional]

caledoniandream:
British average income is just over 26k
Have a look how that compares with other countries:

money.cnn.com/interactive/news/e … index.html

As you said yourself this doesn’t tell you anything like the whole story.

[caledoniandream]

TiredAndEmotional:

caledoniandream:
British average income is just over 26k
Have a look how that compares with other countries:

money.cnn.com/interactive/news/e … index.html

As you said yourself this doesn’t tell you anything like the whole story.

Correct!

[eagerbeaver]

old 67:

foresttrucker:
Wages have been increasing by more than inflation over the last 5 years - in my experience

I live in the South, I wouldn’t know what it’s like to drive class 1 for £8 p/h

I’d say you deserve every penny you get mate. Any driver who can drive a loaded decker on the wheel rim, after a front tyre blow out, for HALF A MILE ■■? , should indeed be a top earner
Regards. John.

[winseer]

Where do I go for the website offering full sponsorships to the USA?

I got turned down over a decade ago - for not having enough of an estate to buy a house cash in the United States and Canada that I’d also applied to separately…

They might want people with the trades and skills over there - but if you’ve also gotta be “comfortably well off” as a base mark - then that’s me slipping the net every time.
They were expecting me to have $500,000 following the liquidation of my UK based Property(s) and Bank Accounts you see…

[andrewg]

£53K??..would take more than that to get me out of bed…

[maga]

Winseer:
Where do I go for the website offering full sponsorships to the USA?

I got turned down over a decade ago - for not having enough of an estate to buy a house cash in the United States and Canada that I’d also applied to separately…

They might want people with the trades and skills over there - but if you’ve also gotta be “comfortably well off” as a base mark - then that’s me slipping the net every time.
They were expecting me to have $500,000 following the liquidation of my UK based Property(s) and Bank Accounts you see…

I’ve got a mate that Programs robots on vehicle production lines and you wouldn’t believe the crap he had to do to get a temporary work Visa when he was offered a job as temporary contractor at Tesla doing what he’s done for JLR, volvo and merc.

They basically questioned whether his qualifications were enough for him to qualify for the visa and he was asked why an American couldn’t do the job he was offered… how on earth do you answer that ridiculous last question

He got there in the end with a 3 month B1 visa, £700 per day… kerchingggg

I’ve no idea how a driver could get full sponsorship to the US?

[winseer]

It’s a shame that “Full sponsorship” isn’t automatic under the “needed trades” principal.
Idaho State asked me “How many people do you intend to employ, now that you’ve expressed an interest in small town America?”

Erm… If I’m to buy a house cash, then the last thing I’m going to be able to do is have money left over to employ people on a loss-leader basis on top.

Meanwhile back in blighty, we’ll sponsor anyone and everyone, especially people not even born in the EU, pretending to be running away from something that they’ll not want to renounce on arrival, and qualifying for a whole raft of things that even a recently put out of work Home-grown Brit doesn’t qualify for… The “sponsorship” is via housing benefits, tax credits, and being taken for under 16 when you’re clearly over 30.

“Treasure Island” we are to non-EU citizens. Even emigrating to South Africa involves jumping hurdles that’ll make most people think twice of even expressing an interest!

[olog_hai]

Once again, I find myself replying to Winseer despite having sworn not to.

If I am reading those two posts correctly, you seem to have a problem with you not being allowed to migrate to the US without being able to support yourself, in the US government’s eyes. Then you have a problem with the UK allowing people to come here… without having the ability to support themselves.

So in other words, when migration suits you it’s OK, yet when it doesn’t suit you, it’s not OK and we get another regurgitation of the ill-informed knuckledragger ■■■■■■■■ that Nigel Farage and others have spoon fed to you.

Which one is it to be?

[winseer]

Olog Hai:
Once again, I find myself replying to Winseer despite having sworn not to.

If I am reading those two posts correctly, you seem to have a problem with you not being allowed to migrate to the US without being able to support yourself, in the US government’s eyes. Then you have a problem with the UK allowing people to come here… without having the ability to support themselves.

So in other words, when migration suits you it’s OK, yet when it doesn’t suit you, it’s not OK and we get another regurgitation of the ill-informed knuckledragger ■■■■■■■■ that Nigel Farage and others have spoon fed to you.

Which one is it to be?

Let’s put it this way:

I bang on about how unfair it is that we’ll let any bugger into this country, no matter how poor their prospects or even ID is. When I pump such moans - I get told I’m an Islamophobe, because I’ve got nothing against EE’s taking our jobs (because they at least are EU citizens and working) but have got everything against people pretending to be something they’re not (Syrian Refugees, under 16, Running away from ISIS for examples) - and get welcomed here with open arms.

To support yourself in any country you are emigrating to - “Having the job lined up” should be the be all and end all of getting in - Right? This is what I’m referring to with “Sponsorship.”
There is a firm out there giving you a well-paid job that proves to the immigration authorities that you’ll be able to support yourself when you get there. That firm employing you will help you find affordable accommodation, since you won’t qualify for a mortgage as well. They’ll likely take the skill set of your missus into account too.
These are the sort of things I would be expected to reasonably asked. NOT if I can afford to buy a house cash, Employ at least three people, or am prepared to live in the states where the authorities want to allocate me, rather than a place that is on a shortlist of preferences I’ve already chosen.

I only expressed an interest in the first instance, because I was led to believe that backwater states wanted trained and skilled workers to choose to go there, rather than the expensive coastal areas, where such mainstream jobs are in perhaps shorter supply.
I expressed an interest in Idaho, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, N&S Dakota, and even Nebraska. Small town living really appeals to me. I was quite happy to take a supermarket supply job or even consider interstate tramping to “keep in work” as it were. All to no avail. I’m simply not wealthy enough. Canada was even harder to negotiate with than USA. No “Fast Track” for commonwealth applicants then!

Britain must be the only country on Earth with the generosity to take on undesirables rather than people representing a skills shortage. If that were not true, we would only be admitting EU citizens into this country - ever. No need to look at Commonwealth even, because our generosity isn’t reciprocated as I’ve said above.

[neilg14]

I made just over £50K in Canada last year but it’s all relative.
I’ve still got ■■■■ all left at the end of the month but you do get more bang for your buck here.