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Winseer:
Now THIS Christmas at RM - we have an impending STRIKE coming up:

I wonder how THAT is going to work, requiring the most thick-skinned of agency workers to cross them picket lines and all… :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:
I’m wondering if I should put my hat in the ring again - just to rub everyone up the wrong way this coming Christmas, post-Brexit as we’ll hopefully be by that point… :smiling_imp:
There’s worse things than being called a “Scab” I’m sure.

Is that how Brexit is supposed to work is it? You’re constantly moaning about treatment at work, and the first sign of workers going on strike for something better, you set yourself up as a scab?

God help us all if such swivel-eyed loons elect the next government.

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Rjan:

Winseer:
Now THIS Christmas at RM - we have an impending STRIKE coming up:

I wonder how THAT is going to work, requiring the most thick-skinned of agency workers to cross them picket lines and all… :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:
I’m wondering if I should put my hat in the ring again - just to rub everyone up the wrong way this coming Christmas, post-Brexit as we’ll hopefully be by that point… :smiling_imp:
There’s worse things than being called a “Scab” I’m sure.

Is that how Brexit is supposed to work is it? You’re constantly moaning about treatment at work, and the first sign of workers going on strike for something better, you set yourself up as a scab?

God help us all if such swivel-eyed loons elect the next government.

This guy does not speak for all (any) of us, don’t worry rjan

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Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

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if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

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dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

I was more thinking of these days of cameras and video, scabs could easily find themselves blacked from the best jobs, which are still and probably always will be unionised.

It may not matter to someone if they only think of the next pay packet, but you never know what the future might bring, be daft to be effectively barred from the best jobs in the country for the sake of an extra £50 a shift for 2 weeks.

There’s also the moral side, some of us realise the class system still rules in England at least, as the generally middle twaddle class XR protesters who climbed onto the tube at Canning Town found out to their cost when they tried to stop thousands of working people from going to work, and got dragged off the train for their trouble, about time too.
The working class are at the end of their tether, good.
Unreported in the msm, the police in France have been attacking protesting firefighters, yellow vests protests still raging, the times they are about to change, might be interesting to see what happens in the wake of the coming Brexit betrayal in a fortnight’s time.

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Juddian:
There’s also the moral side, some of us realise the class system still rules in England at least, as the generally middle twaddle class XR protesters who climbed onto the tube at Canning Town found out to their cost when they tried to stop thousands of working people from going to work, and got dragged off the train for their trouble, about time too.
The working class are at the end of their tether, good.

That stunt should put an end to any support they had outside of their cosy bubble

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idrive:

Juddian:
There’s also the moral side, some of us realise the class system still rules in England at least, as the generally middle twaddle class XR protesters who climbed onto the tube at Canning Town found out to their cost when they tried to stop thousands of working people from going to work, and got dragged off the train for their trouble, about time too.
The working class are at the end of their tether, good.

That stunt should put an end to any support they had outside of their cosy bubble

I think its significant that the general working class, those who get up and go provide for their families day in day come what may, might have reached a tipping point.

For their next trick i suggest XR attempt to disrupt a Millwall home game :smiling_imp:
They could bring along a few antifa soap dodger toughies in balaclavas as security :laughing:

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dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

That would just go to show it’s necessary to take the names and car registrations of scabs down in such cases.

Honestly, what is your reasoning for such behaviour?

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Rjan:

dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

That would just go to show it’s necessary to take the names and car registrations of scabs down in such cases.

Honestly, what is your reasoning for such behaviour?

Why? so you could be the hard man and key his car next time you see it in a car park, makes you no better than the man who crosses the line

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Rjan:

dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

That would just go to show it’s necessary to take the names and car registrations of scabs down in such cases.

Honestly, what is your reasoning for such behaviour?

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basically i despise mostly everything about unionised uk companies.
as far as im concerned they are the reason that the uk is completely down the pan and finished for any form of industry whatsoever.
just mostly a shower of workshy bone idle lazy gits and the reason for the demise of britains workforce today.
ive had to join the union a couple of times many years ago to work for a couple of companies but didnt last as i couldnt stomach the workers outlook to be doing as little as possible and shafting the company whilst doing so.
i never missed a beat in the 80s miners strike and ran flat out working for a subby for fortunes at the time with no drawback ever since.
i genuinely laughed when scargills lot got a beating from old maggie.
politics have no interest for me,and ive always mostly been self employed which for me has the opposite outlook to the " im all right jack " union brigade.
i cant debate,or argue over politics as they hold no interest for me and i know nothing about them as ive never voted and would only consider voting for the bnp or their likes if there was ever the slightest chance of them getting in,( which their isnt) as they get crucified from all angles.
not everyone likes the unions as a good thing.
if you dont get paid enough wherever your working for what you do,then go and work where you do…thats worked well enough for me over the years.

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Mazzer2:

Rjan:
That would just go to show it’s necessary to take the names and car registrations of scabs down in such cases.

Honestly, what is your reasoning for such behaviour?

Why? so you could be the hard man and key his car next time you see it in a car park, makes you no better than the man who crosses the line

I would certainly see a case for offering violence in such cases. The point of being on a picket line is not to warm your hands around a brazier, and it’s certainly not to demonstrate your moral superiority to the scab who goes in for double money, it’s to embargo the works and declare that no work shall be done there.

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dieseldog999:
basically i despise mostly everything about unionised uk companies.
as far as im concerned they are the reason that the uk is completely down the pan and finished for any form of industry whatsoever.

You don’t think it’s anything to do with the offshoring of our former industries, especially after Thatcher abolished capital controls?

just mostly a shower of workshy bone idle lazy gits and the reason for the demise of britains workforce today.
ive had to join the union a couple of times many years ago to work for a couple of companies but didnt last as i couldnt stomach the workers outlook to be doing as little as possible and shafting the company whilst doing so.

For any criticisms I could make of the culture in some workplaces or unions, I’ve never seen a workplace where the workforce did less for their money than the management or the owners.

i never missed a beat in the 80s miners strike and ran flat out working for a subby for fortunes at the time with no drawback ever since.
i genuinely laughed when scargills lot got a beating from old maggie.
politics have no interest for me,and ive always mostly been self employed which for me has the opposite outlook to the " im all right jack " union brigade.
i cant debate,or argue over politics as they hold no interest for me and i know nothing about them as ive never voted and would only consider voting for the bnp or their likes if there was ever the slightest chance of them getting in,( which their isnt) as they get crucified from all angles.
not everyone likes the unions as a good thing.

if you dont get paid enough wherever your working for what you do,then go and work where you do…thats worked well enough for me over the years.

I’m not surprised it’s worked well for you if you’ve been going around strike breaking.

I’m just surprised that a person can be so foolish - has your money in haulage really been on the up and up over the years?

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Rjan:

Mazzer2:

Rjan:
That would just go to show it’s necessary to take the names and car registrations of scabs down in such cases.

Honestly, what is your reasoning for such behaviour?

Why? so you could be the hard man and key his car next time you see it in a car park, makes you no better than the man who crosses the line

I would certainly see a case for offering violence in such cases. The point of being on a picket line is not to warm your hands around a brazier, and it’s certainly not to demonstrate your moral superiority to the scab who goes in for double money, it’s to embargo the works and declare that no work shall be done there.

Easy to be a hard man when in a mob bit different when you’re caught on your own and your union isn’t there to help. Whether you agree with scabs or not doesn’t give you the right to use violence against someone lawfully going about their business. Intimidation of workers, the lefts favourite weapon no better than the bosses who put exploit workers.

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Juddian:

dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

I was more thinking of these days of cameras and video, scabs could easily find themselves blacked from the best jobs, which are still and probably always will be unionised.

It may not matter to someone if they only think of the next pay packet, but you never know what the future might bring, be daft to be effectively barred from the best jobs in the country for the sake of an extra £50 a shift for 2 weeks.

There’s also the moral side, some of us realise the class system still rules in England at least, as the generally middle twaddle class XR protesters who climbed onto the tube at Canning Town found out to their cost when they tried to stop thousands of working people from going to work, and got dragged off the train for their trouble, about time too.
The working class are at the end of their tether, good.
Unreported in the msm, the police in France have been attacking protesting firefighters, yellow vests protests still raging, the times they are about to change, might be interesting to see what happens in the wake of the coming Brexit betrayal in a fortnight’s time.

Juddian:

dieseldog999:

Juddian:
I’d be very wary of crossing official picket lines, even more so these days, only wants some bugger to recognise you and your name goes on ze list tommy.
Might not make a scrap of difference of course, but you never know what the future will bring, but thinking of it from the job overall if they’re striking its for a reason, if they lose then RM will be yet another wrecked job and you can forget £20 an hour agency rates in the future because the place will be stuffed with foreigners prepared to work cheap and you won’t get a look in because it becomes another version of closed shop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if thats the way itl be then if i was a limper id be doing as many crossing the picket line shifts as i could get for £20 per hour and cream it before the job goes ■■■■ up.
on receiving any slight injury whatsoever,then id just milk it to death and get my personal injury claim right in there from whoevers responsible.

I was more thinking of these days of cameras and video, scabs could easily find themselves blacked from the best jobs, which are still and probably always will be unionised.

It may not matter to someone if they only think of the next pay packet, but you never know what the future might bring, be daft to be effectively barred from the best jobs in the country for the sake of an extra £50 a shift for 2 weeks.

There’s also the moral side, some of us realise the class system still rules in England at least, as the generally middle twaddle class XR protesters who climbed onto the tube at Canning Town found out to their cost when they tried to stop thousands of working people from going to work, and got dragged off the train for their trouble, about time too.
The working class are at the end of their tether, good.
Unreported in the msm, the police in France have been attacking protesting firefighters, yellow vests protests still raging, the times they are about to change, might be interesting to see what happens in the wake of the coming Brexit betrayal in a fortnight’s time.

French protests unreported in the msm?
Lots of it in the French msm about French protests.
With Brexit on the agenda, maybe there is little space left in the UK news sites to report on it?
How many UK readers are interested in industrial disputes etc in other countries?
Gilet Jaune? Seem dead as a popular grass-roots movement. Some groups with different aims may try to invoke the name, but it isn’t what it was a year ago.
Reading the runes and pushing the news outlet owner’s agenda takes a lot of space. Most would rather read a letter from “Disgusted of Tonbridge” reflecting their own views, than a balanced analysis of government’s employee relations checks and balances somewhere else.

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Mazzer2:

Rjan:
I would certainly see a case for offering violence in such cases. The point of being on a picket line is not to warm your hands around a brazier, and it’s certainly not to demonstrate your moral superiority to the scab who goes in for double money, it’s to embargo the works and declare that no work shall be done there.

Easy to be a hard man when in a mob bit different when you’re caught on your own and your union isn’t there to help. Whether you agree with scabs or not doesn’t give you the right to use violence against someone lawfully going about their business. Intimidation of workers, the lefts favourite weapon no better than the bosses who put exploit workers.

Of course it’s easy to be a hard man when in a mob. Again, that’s the whole point of the picket, to enforce closure of the works as an escalation of the dispute.

You say people are going lawfully about their business, but whose law, and whose business? Jumping into the jobs of the fellas who have forgone pay to go out on strike?

We’re not even talking about guys who work there - we’re talking about outright strikebreakers from outside, whose only business there is to break the strike.

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Rjan:

Mazzer2:

Rjan:
I would certainly see a case for offering violence in such cases. The point of being on a picket line is not to warm your hands around a brazier, and it’s certainly not to demonstrate your moral superiority to the scab who goes in for double money, it’s to embargo the works and declare that no work shall be done there.

Easy to be a hard man when in a mob bit different when you’re caught on your own and your union isn’t there to help. Whether you agree with scabs or not doesn’t give you the right to use violence against someone lawfully going about their business. Intimidation of workers, the lefts favourite weapon no better than the bosses who put exploit workers.

Of course it’s easy to be a hard man when in a mob. Again, that’s the whole point of the picket, to enforce closure of the works as an escalation of the dispute.

You say people are going lawfully about their business, but whose law, and whose business? Jumping into the jobs of the fellas who have forgone pay to go out on strike?

We’re not even talking about guys who work there - we’re talking about outright strikebreakers from outside, whose only business there is to break the strike.

You talk about workers solidarity yet the irony of British unions taking money from the Soviet Union for workers solidarity yet in the workers utopia of the Soviet Union no such rights existed, Stalin summed it up perfectly with his phrase “Useful idiots”.

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Mazzer2:

Rjan:
Of course it’s easy to be a hard man when in a mob. Again, that’s the whole point of the picket, to enforce closure of the works as an escalation of the dispute.

You say people are going lawfully about their business, but whose law, and whose business? Jumping into the jobs of the fellas who have forgone pay to go out on strike?

We’re not even talking about guys who work there - we’re talking about outright strikebreakers from outside, whose only business there is to break the strike.

You talk about workers solidarity yet the irony of British unions taking money from the Soviet Union for workers solidarity yet in the workers utopia of the Soviet Union no such rights existed, Stalin summed it up perfectly with his phrase “Useful idiots”.

There is no evidence that Stalin ever used such a phrase, and he was dead in 53. In fact, the phrase seems to be entirely an invention of anti-Soviet propagandists.

You say “no such rights existed” in the Soviet Union but which rights do you mean? Do you mean trade unions? They certainly had trade unions similar in character to the right-wing or service-oriented unions in Britain, and the capitalist world spent a fortune trying to ideologically and economically undermine the Soviets.

Not that I’m setting out to promote the authoritarianism of the Soviet system, but then the capitalist system is also similarly authoritarian. Ask any democratically-elected Tory or Blairite politician to stop a factory being sent offshore, and they’ll respond “sorry, no can do, under capitalism the bosses dictate where factories go and we cannot and must not challenge them”. So there’s your democracy in Britain, little different from Stalin dictating, except the Stalins who rule our economy don’t even maintain a pretense that they’re acting in the collective good.

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Rjan, yes the soviet workers had rights, the right not to travel, the right not to criticise their government, the right not to have free and fair elections they lived in a dictatorship. If the Soviet model was so good why was the Berlin wall built? The numbers leaving this utopian workers paradise were so great that the only ones that would have been left in East Germany were the Stasi.
I would not cross a picket line if the dispute is about pay or conditions however if it is a political strike then I would have no qualms about crossing it

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Mazzer2:
Rjan, yes the soviet workers had rights, the right not to travel, the right not to criticise their government, the right not to have free and fair elections they lived in a dictatorship. If the Soviet model was so good why was the Berlin wall built? The numbers leaving this utopian workers paradise were so great that the only ones that would have been left in East Germany were the Stasi.
I would not cross a picket line if the dispute is about pay or conditions however if it is a political strike then I would have no qualms about crossing it

You’re making the error that I’m promoting the Soviet model, when what I’m really doing is merely challenging your propaganda about it.

The Berlin wall was built for a number of reasons. Firstly, the East of Germany was yoked to a regime that was far less economically developed overall, whereas the West of Germany was yoked to the most developed capitalist nations.

Secondly, the West offered inducements - actual reward money - for people to flee into West Germany, and West Germany itself received economic largesse like Marshall Plan money that was specifically designed to undermine the Soviet regime.

The numbers who wished to leave East Germany are probably not dissimilar to the number of Brits who would leave if somewhere more economically developed than Britain existed (especially if they speak the same language at the destination), or if somewhere more unequal than Britain existed and they stood to be on the better side of the inequality.

Millions fled Britain in the post-war years, and so many were carpetbagging to Southern Rhodesia that the British government eventually imposed a travel ban. The Rhodesian government itself also imposed travel bans and capital controls designed to stifle emigration. These were all capitalist regimes, of course.

As for “criticising the government”, try criticising your boss in public, and see what sanctions follow. Look also at what happens to democratically-elected politicians like Corbyn, who challenge bosses’ rule - smeared publicly as a Russian spy and Stasi agent, all of which are absolutely truthless.

One last thing, I’ve got far more respect for someone who crosses a picket line for some genuine political principle, than one who sees it simply as an opportunity for personal gain, the latter of which is totally reprehensible.

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Rjan:
For any criticisms I could make of the culture in some workplaces or unions, I’ve never seen a workplace where the workforce did less for their money than the management or the owners.

I have been both driver and management. In every company for which I worked, the managers were putting in more hours than the vast majority of the workforce. When I was first made a TM from a driver, I took a pay cut. As a manager, I often had to take work home at weekends just to keep on top of it; I would lay awake at night worrying about budgets etc. As a driver; once I parked up for the night or the weekend, I could forget the job altogether.

Maybe your experience has been different, but I suspect that mine is more common.