Realistically what should you expect for a 4on 4off salary per annum been offered it but have to negotiate my salary I was thinking £32,500 pa then let them knock me down to £30, 000.ps that is for a 48 hours every 4 days on.
If you’re talking about PAYE I guess it depends on the job, but according to my calculations £30,000 per year works out at around £14.84 per hour including breaks.
Good luck with that 
That’s very optimistic as you are working only 156 days a year on 4 on 4 off (assuming you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
A normal person works 233 days (again assuming that you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
You are talking here £16.03 per hour, great and good for you if you can get it.
You are working approx. 30% less and expect more?
Its great 4 on 4 off, you have a lot more time for your self, but it comes at a price! (Most times, but you could be the lucky one 
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hope you get it m8 if you do tell us who’s paying it we will all be there tomorrow
As said with that pattern you’ll be working less therefore earning less which is what I found out when I went for a job with Maritime doing that same shift pattern, I’d say £28,000 at the very most as some weeks you’ll only be working 3 days.
So you’re working 12 hour shifts. That means you’ll be spending 42 hours per week on duty as an average. So yeah, good luck getting £30k with that and if you do, tip us all the nod on the location 
Realistically it will be nearer £20K than 30.
caledoniandream:
That’s very optimistic as you are working only 156 days a year on 4 on 4 off (assuming you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
A normal person works 233 days (again assuming that you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
You are talking here £16.03 per hour, great and good for you if you can get it.
You are working approx. 30% less and expect more?
Its great 4 on 4 off, you have a lot more time for your self, but it comes at a price! (Most times, but you could be the lucky one
A ‘normal’ person also has their weekends to themselves. You’re working a hell of a lot of weekends here which should be paid at time and a half or double time on a ‘normal’ shift pattern.
It’s not an unreasonable ask. Just because the expectation is lower from some drivers that are happy to work for beans, doesn’t mean everyone has to. The requirement to work so many weekends has to have some recompense.
At least, it would have for me. Nowt wrong with asking. If you’re able to negotiate your own rate, then you’re one step ahead of a lot of drivers. Most just take what they are given, then come on here and moan about it. 
caledoniandream:
That’s very optimistic as you are working only 156 days a year on 4 on 4 off (assuming you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
A normal person works 233 days (again assuming that you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
You are talking here £16.03 per hour, great and good for you if you can get it.
You are working approx. 30% less and expect more?
Its great 4 on 4 off, you have a lot more time for your self, but it comes at a price! (Most times, but you could be the lucky one
Working less days per week but doing a lot of shifts that many others don’t want, weekend shifts pay more than the normal working week which is why the 4 on 4 off workers usually get compensated for that in their salary.
You may not get £30k because I don’t know who you work for or what type of job you do but your hourly rate should be slightly higher than if you were on Monday - Friday work.
bald bloke:
As said with that pattern you’ll be working less therefore earning less which is what I found out when I went for a job with Maritime doing that same shift pattern, I’d say £28,000 at the very most as some weeks you’ll only be working 3 days.
Seeing as he’s going for a 4 on 4 off shift pattern which weeks will he only work 3 days then?
Theoretically he should earn about the same doing 4 on 4 off than other drivers doing Monday - Friday due to him working many part or full weekends, he certainly shouldn’t be earning less.
Rentadent:
caledoniandream:
That’s very optimistic as you are working only 156 days a year on 4 on 4 off (assuming you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
A normal person works 233 days (again assuming that you have 20 holidays and 8 bank holidays)
You are talking here £16.03 per hour, great and good for you if you can get it.
You are working approx. 30% less and expect more?
Its great 4 on 4 off, you have a lot more time for your self, but it comes at a price! (Most times, but you could be the lucky oneWorking less days per week but doing a lot of shifts that many others don’t want, weekend shifts pay more than the normal working week which is why the 4 on 4 off workers usually get compensated for that in their salary.
You may not get £30k because I don’t know who you work for or what type of job you do but your hourly rate should be slightly higher than if you were on Monday - Friday work.
That’s right but considering you do only 25 sundays and 26 Saturdays in a year, and only 20 complete weekends (e.g Saturday and Sunday) there are still 105 days left for normal pay.
Asuming they pay GBP 11.00 an hour = £ 13.992 for the normal days and assume they pay Saturday and Sunday complete double time, its again £13.464 = 27.456
Its a good if you can get it, and I definitely hope that the OP can get it, but I wish him all the best.
More and more companies don’t recognise Saturday and Sunday as a different day if you be on shift work.
I don’t say he won’t get it, but going in at £32 K is a bit unrealistic if you do your math
Rentadent:
bald bloke:
As said with that pattern you’ll be working less therefore earning less which is what I found out when I went for a job with Maritime doing that same shift pattern, I’d say £28,000 at the very most as some weeks you’ll only be working 3 days.Seeing as he’s going for a 4 on 4 off shift pattern which weeks will he only work 3 days then?
The weeks when the 4 off all fall within the same week. For example the 4 off are Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday he would work Monday, Saturday and Sunday that week which is 3 days.
Rentadent:
bald bloke:
As said with that pattern you’ll be working less therefore earning less which is what I found out when I went for a job with Maritime doing that same shift pattern, I’d say £28,000 at the very most as some weeks you’ll only be working 3 days.Seeing as he’s going for a 4 on 4 off shift pattern which weeks will he only work 3 days then?
Theoretically he should earn about the same doing 4 on 4 off than other drivers doing Monday - Friday due to him working many part or full weekends, he certainly shouldn’t be earning less.
At last, someone gets it.
There are jobs and shift patterns out there that pay this and more, but no one benefitting from such would tell all and sundry where…the attitudes in this, short so far, thread are exactly why they keep schtum.
Lorry driving has always been like this, to earn the top money you either specialise, work hard hours, long hours or shorter unsocial hours, or a combination.
Not everybody is as concerned about weekends and don’t make a big deal of Saturday or Sunday. I always used to, and still do mostly, prefer a couple of days off during the week when most other people are working.
Coffeeholic:
Not everybody is as concerned about weekends and don’t make a big deal of Saturday or Sunday. I always used to, and still do mostly, prefer a couple of days off during the week when most other people are working.
Agreed, it suits us better with me working lots of weekend days too, but i’ll still price them and regard them as premium rate days, i am not working weekends nights bank hols for standard weekday pay.
Don’t understand why weekend & bank holiday premiums are such a big deal to people when it comes to 4 on 4 off.
The deal with 4 on 4 off, is that you get paid a full time salary for effectively only working 6 months of the year, thus having tons of time off work. This suits the driver. In return, you have to cop some of your bank holidays & weekends. This suits the employer. It works both ways. If your somebody who really values time at home at the weekend, this isn’t for you, not everybody is the same.
The whole 4 on 4 off system surely becomes a total non-starter for employers if they start having to shell out time & a half and double time etc. for weekend working, when they are already effectively paying for substantially more drivers they might need otherwise.
If it costs an employer x amount of money to pay for a shift pattern that is highly avantageous to the driver and x amount of money to set up a damned crappy shift pattern that ruins a driver’s life - WHY is that employer so concerned about buggering up their staff’s lives so much - when it doesn’t save them any money?
4x12 paid hours 6pm-6am as opposed to 6x8 paid 11pm-7am hours - is still the same number of paid hours.
I know which one I’d rather have though - for the same money!
There isn’t any rule that says “You must ■■■■ off your drivers as much as possible when paying the same as everyone else for “a” job.” 
It’s a shift pattern that suits some people.
But not everyone wants to work it.
Employer gets weekends covered without any arguing or bribery.
Driver gets lots of time off.
But as people see it a ■■■■■■ shift pattern, they have less people going after the work as it means they can’t spend the weekends at home with the wife and kids. Hence, it attracts a premium where wages are concerned. Or should do at least.
scally2:
Realistically what should you expect for a 4on 4off salary per annum been offered it but have to negotiate my salary I was thinking £32,500 pa then let them knock me down to £30, 000.ps that is for a 48 hours every 4 days on.
£32.5 K is not unreasonable in fact its a bit low, considering 4 on 4 off means exactly that
Week (1)Mon - Thurs,
(2)Tues - Fri ,
(3) Wed - Sat,
(4)Thurs - Sun
(5)Fri - Mon
(6)Sat - Tues
(7)Sun - Wed
(8)Mon - Thurs
Look at the weekend working,AND Bank Holidays that you could be working if they fall on your rota
Weekend premiums should definitely be factored into the salary.
I’m constantly surprised at how easy drivers are willing to sacrifice their pay and conditions.
Where are the jobs that are ONLY “weekend premiums” and “nights” rate?
I’d love a 4 day week job friday-monday with all the premiums factored in… Should easily make mid-30k for it, when working 5-6pm starts as well.