It’s been a long time since I’ve been hourly paid which also includes a 45 mins a day deduction.
What I want to know is, is the 45 deducted from the basic or the overtime rate?
Basic normally.
Overtime is just extra on top
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lol
every little helps (for them that is)
andy187:
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lolevery little helps (for them that is)
How the ■■■■ can they get away with that ■■? If you’ve done those sort of hours, you’ve had your break on Saturday, not Sunday!!!
peterm:
andy187:
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lolevery little helps (for them that is)
How the [zb] can they get away with that ■■? If you’ve done those sort of hours, you’ve had your break on Saturday, not Sunday!!!
If I was working on tesco shift I would try finish before 8 hours . If not next delivery would take an hour longer
I don’t understand the question or the mathematics of the responses.
It doesn’t matter WHERE it’s deducted, the net result is the same.
Start 0600, finish 1800. 12hr shift.
Deducted 45 mins at normal time for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtime
Deducted 45 mins at overtime rate for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtime
The reason is, deduct it from your normal rate, and it just pushes the time you kick into overtime back to 8hrs 45mins. Or deduct it at overtime rate, so your overtime started at 8hrs, but at 8hrs 45 you finish, you still get paid 0 overtime.
The easy way to work it out is go and work for a company that pay breaks. Result
Or take it back by getting your head down for a bit on cross hammers
waynedl:
I don’t understand the question or the mathematics of the responses.It doesn’t matter WHERE it’s deducted, the net result is the same.
Start 0600, finish 1800. 12hr shift.
Deducted 45 mins at normal time for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtime
Deducted 45 mins at overtime rate for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtimeThe reason is, deduct it from your normal rate, and it just pushes the time you kick into overtime back to 8hrs 45mins. Or deduct it at overtime rate, so your overtime started at 8hrs, but at 8hrs 45 you finish, you still get paid 0 overtime.
If you are paid different rates between fixed times as opposed to after number of hours worked then it does.
If you change from day to night rate at 2100hrs and had a 45 at 2000hrs then the break could be deducted from the night and not the day rate when you actually took it. A firm I worked for did that sort of thing.
I’ve never worked anywhere where the breaks are taken from basic rate.
Let’s say you work a 40 hour week, so for 5 days you’re going to work 8 1/2 hr shifts, 30 minutes stopped per day for breaks and you’ll be paid 40 hours at basic rate. Do you really think anyone is going to pay you 37.5 hours basic rate then 2.5 at overtime rate?? Not going to happen !! 
Judonut:
The easy way to work it out is go and work for a company that pay breaks. Result
I have been since January, the company was sold and the new owners say they are going to deduct 45 mins a day…hence the question.
waddy640:
waynedl:
I don’t understand the question or the mathematics of the responses.It doesn’t matter WHERE it’s deducted, the net result is the same.
Start 0600, finish 1800. 12hr shift.
Deducted 45 mins at normal time for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtime
Deducted 45 mins at overtime rate for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtimeThe reason is, deduct it from your normal rate, and it just pushes the time you kick into overtime back to 8hrs 45mins. Or deduct it at overtime rate, so your overtime started at 8hrs, but at 8hrs 45 you finish, you still get paid 0 overtime.
If you are paid different rates between fixed times as opposed to after number of hours worked then it does.
If you change from day to night rate at 2100hrs and had a 45 at 2000hrs then the break could be deducted from the night and not the day rate when you actually took it. A firm I worked for did that sort of thing.
I didn’t think of that 
Darb:
I’ve never worked anywhere where the breaks are taken from basic rate.Let’s say you work a 40 hour week, so for 5 days you’re going to work 8 1/2 hr shifts, 30 minutes stopped per day for breaks and you’ll be paid 40 hours at basic rate. Do you really think anyone is going to pay you 37.5 hours basic rate then 2.5 at overtime rate?? Not going to happen !!
Yes, but if you do 6 hrs, you get 8hrs pay, not 7 1/2hrs.
waynedl:
waddy640:
waynedl:
I don’t understand the question or the mathematics of the responses.It doesn’t matter WHERE it’s deducted, the net result is the same.
Start 0600, finish 1800. 12hr shift.
Deducted 45 mins at normal time for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtime
Deducted 45 mins at overtime rate for lunch = 11.25hr shift (assuming overtime after 8hrs) 3.25hrs overtimeThe reason is, deduct it from your normal rate, and it just pushes the time you kick into overtime back to 8hrs 45mins. Or deduct it at overtime rate, so your overtime started at 8hrs, but at 8hrs 45 you finish, you still get paid 0 overtime.
If you are paid different rates between fixed times as opposed to after number of hours worked then it does.
If you change from day to night rate at 2100hrs and had a 45 at 2000hrs then the break could be deducted from the night and not the day rate when you actually took it. A firm I worked for did that sort of thing.
I didn’t think of that
Darb:
I’ve never worked anywhere where the breaks are taken from basic rate.Let’s say you work a 40 hour week, so for 5 days you’re going to work 8 1/2 hr shifts, 30 minutes stopped per day for breaks and you’ll be paid 40 hours at basic rate. Do you really think anyone is going to pay you 37.5 hours basic rate then 2.5 at overtime rate?? Not going to happen !!
Yes, but if you do 6 hrs, you get 8hrs pay, not 7 1/2hrs.
This type of employer will always find a way to cut costs and ripping off employees is one of them.
This question pops up quite often. The way I see it is if you get paid time and half after 8 hours then the company will add up all your hours, subtract 45 minutes or 30 minutes or whatever then pay you accordingly.
So a 12 hour shift minus a 45 minute break would equate to 8 hours at time and 3.25 hours at time and half. You’ve worked a total of 11.25 hours of which the first 8 are paid at time and the rest time and half.
When you actually took your break doesn’t really enter the equation.
Never bothered me if they deducted breaks on either full time work or agency just fiddled the 45 back, there was a company near Leeds G McFarlan transport (yellow and green trucks) ■■? years ago that knocked of an hour during a normal shift and if you did over 12 he would knock ANOTHER hour off, needless to say I refused a job with them.
andy187:
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lolevery little helps (for them that is)
Asda pay you the whole time you’re on shift, including your break.
Malky80:
andy187:
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lolevery little helps (for them that is)
Asda pay you the whole time you’re on shift, including your break.
Not my agency
andy187:
Malky80:
andy187:
unless you’re on agency and at tescos or asda
they always take 45 off at highest rate, ie saturday start at noon, finish at 00.45 sunday
guess when they take 45 off?
yep sunday rate lolevery little helps (for them that is)
Asda pay you the whole time you’re on shift, including your break.
Not my agency
Sorry, misread what you wrote m8. I didn’t realise you meant agency. Somehow I thought the highlighted “and” was “or”.