Franglais:
I wonder how old the tyre was?
Horse boxes (private ones at least) won’t be doing huge a mileage will they?
Tyre could easily be perished from old age by the time it’s worn enough to be recut, couldn’t it?
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According to the local news I’ve just watched they were 18 yrs old ffs can’t believe they got past the last mot.
Bet they had crumbly little bits of dry rubber flaking off 'em…
There isn’t a legal age limit on tyres is there? Shouldn’t there be one?
They’ve all been date stamped for ages*. Not “rocket science” as they say.
There is a government consultation on making tyres over 10 years old illegal on HGV, PSV, minibuses and taxis. Before that HGV and PSV operators found to have such tyres fitted at roadside or MOT would have had to expalin themselves to the TC. Before that 10 year old tyres on PSV front axles were advisory defects.
I’m did suspect there might be an MOT angle and although not that recent it seems like an advisory obviously raises questions as to if it should have been a fail.
I personally think tyre age alone can be an exacerbating factor but is a potential red herring that could easily lead to probably tens of thousands of perfectly sound tyres being disposed of with the related negative environmental impact. I could only see a case for steer tyres having such a limit imposed on them.
I’d suspect this blowout will still be a good old fashioned slow puncture but if it was recut close to the cords then it would clearly be considerably more susceptible to picking up a nail or screw, that developed into a slow puncture, than an uncut tyre.
Own Account Driver:
I’m did sus…
I personally think tyre age alone can be an exacerbating factor but is a potential red herring that could easily lead to probably tens of thousands of perfectly sound tyres being disposed of with the related negative environmental impact. I could only see a case for steer tyres having such a limit imposed on them.
… ut tyre.
Any blanket ban will always ban the good with the bad.
The balance is to avoid rarer, but catastrophic failure, against more common non-events.
If you can prove old tyres are sound, then don’t ban them. In absence of such a test, and given that they do deteriorate with age , I reckon it’s correct to ban old tyres.
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
I think there’ll be a lot of low mileage trucks in actual use with tyres over ten years old stuff like gritter lorries and the specialist stuff. Wouldn’t be surprised if the military don’t have loads of stuff sat around with tyres over ten years old on. There’s always MOD surplus trucks built in the last century being disposed of that have something like 10k on the clock so I bet they’re still on the tyres they left the factory on.
With the bus crash blowout although I probably don’t agree that the age of the tyre caused the blowout , if it was brand new and had been stored appropriately, I do think it is certainly foolish for a PSV operator to use an 18 year old tyre on the steer of a vehicle.
This M5 crash, I think, is less a story about tyres and more a story about Joe Public privately operating lorries as horseboxes, race transporters, living vans etc. on a shoestring outside the operator’s licensing system. I think there’s a world of difference in long term operators of HGVs commercially operating trucks privately compared to Joe Public who’s just scraped buying themselves a tired old bread van with no real perception of what needs careful monitoring.
I can’t speak for all operators, and it probably wouldn’t occur in the first place unless it was hard to spot and easily missed but if we’d had an advisory for tyre cords on test we’d change them immediately afterwards purely to demonstrate that maintenance is taken seriously. We had an advisory on corroded air tank straps recently, and in reality they were fine, and the replacements we ordered were actually thinner metal than the superficially corroded ones on there but we still replaced them because of the paper trail that any defect brought to our attention is rectified asap.
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
Dan some of the tyres on my Albion date back to the '60s, and the rest the '70s. My tyre man has looked at them, says they’re fine, the likelihood anyway of a 12 ply tyre on an empty lorry weighing under 3 tons and cruising at about 33 mph giving any trouble is non-existent, so crack on. I also have an 80 inch Land-Rover fitted with a brand new set of the correct Avons that I bought as a bargain thirty-odd years ago and stored them in the dry, cool and dark until I was ready to use them recently, they’re absolutely pristine. New ones are £250 each! I shan’t be best pleased to have to replace 12 tyres if the laws change! I understand concerns about using old tyres on the front of motors running on the motorway, but we’re in danger of a sledgehammer/nut situation here.
Bernard
I change all my vehicle tyres at seven years regardless, talking car/van/caravan/trailer here and not trucks. Just spent almost £500 on six tyres for the van and my little trailer this week. I was amazed when on the news recently a coach had ten year old + tyres! It obviously did little mileage? I rarely had a truck tyre do more than a couple of years anyway, especially on the rear, usually they were damaged on construction sites/foundries (foundries could destroy a tyre in minutes with all the metal buried in the ■■■■ that you couldn’t see! ) or punctured on the road.
Trickydick:
Think remoulds, how do you know just how old the casing really is?
Theres a reason remoulds have a bad name.
This ten yr tyre job if it comes in will really have a knock on effect on the classic commercial scene,I’ve got 6 Michelin 10 225s in the garage blown up on rims ,they date from the 80s with no perishes what so ever and I’d sooner have them on than any remould or Cheng shin .
Dan some of the tyres on my Albion date back to the '60s, and the rest the '70s. My tyre man has looked at them, says they’re fine, the likelihood anyway of a 12 ply tyre on an empty lorry weighing under 3 tons and cruising at about 33 mph giving any trouble is non-existent, so crack on. I also have an 80 inch Land-Rover fitted with a brand new set of the correct Avons that I bought as a bargain thirty-odd years ago and stored them in the dry, cool and dark until I was ready to use them recently, they’re absolutely pristine. New ones are £250 each! I shan’t be best pleased to have to replace 12 tyres if the laws change! I understand concerns about using old tyres on the front of motors running on the motorway, but we’re in danger of a sledgehammer/nut situation here.
Bernard
can’t believe they got past the last mot.
