Mick Cash the man standing to become the new leader of the RMT union thinks rail workers need there working week bringing down to 32 hours so workers can have more time with there family’s and it would also create more jobs.
Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.
As long as they’re prepared to train ME up for one of those new vacant 32 hour jobs - I’m up for it.
Shows you what can still be achieved with proper Union Representation though doesn’t it?
The firm will likely offer a paltry 5% pay deal now to bet the RMT off the pot… The members will reluctantly take it. 
The nearest you can get to that in Trucking terms is the RM 36.25 hour week with unpaid meal breaks of upto 90 minutes a day added on top. For a 5 day week then, you’re still talking of a 43.75 hour basic working week - hardly the 35 hours including breaks that a 9-5 suit might expect in their ivory towers eh? 
Winseer:
… Shows you what can still be achieved with proper Union Representation though doesn’t it? …
Exactly! Not to mention a workforce who (generally) all stick together. No chance of that in the haulage industry. 
If train drivers go down to 32 hours a week, would companies just shift more freight over to the roads?
The guy is a knob and his argument is clearly flawed!
mac12:
Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.
Do you write articles for newspapers? Although you’ve dramatically over sensationalised the figures, the fact is a driver can’t possibly work anything like 123 hours.
Winseer:
The nearest you can get to that in Trucking terms is the RM 36.25 hour week with unpaid meal breaks of upto 90 minutes a day added on top. For a 5 day week then, you’re still talking of a 43.75 hour basic working week - hardly the 35 hours including breaks that a 9-5 suit might expect in their ivory towers eh?
Playing with numbers to emphasise an argument doesn’t work when it’s basic maths.
A suit doing 5x 9-5 days a week would surely be doing 40 hours, not 35!
RMs 43.75 hour and our drivers 46 hour contract are not too far away from office hours really.
Rentadent:
mac12:
Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.Do you write articles for newspapers? Although you’ve dramatically over sensationalised the figures, the fact is a driver can’t possibly work anything like 123 hours.
No I don’t work for the newspapers for the next 10 days I drive then start as a signalman on the railway, but for now I will try to help with your maths but feel free to correct anything that’s wrong. In a week there are 7 days of 24 hours so 168 hours take off 45 hours for your legal break leaving 123 hours if sleeping in truck or 91 more hours at your place of work than the rail union want for there members, now I know you may not work all of them but you can do 84 per week and travel home every night and still be legal.
mac12:
Rentadent:
mac12:
Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.Do you write articles for newspapers? Although you’ve dramatically over sensationalised the figures, the fact is a driver can’t possibly work anything like 123 hours.
No I don’t work for the newspapers for the next 10 days I drive then start as a signalman on the railway, but for now I will try to help with your maths but feel free to correct anything that’s wrong. In a week there are 7 days of 24 hours so 168 hours take off 45 hours for your legal break leaving 123 hours if sleeping in truck
But you aren’t working when you are asleep.
As to the OP, yes, fair enough, we should all be working towards a 32 hour week and there’s more than enough wealth in the country to be able to do it except it’s concentrated in the hands of a few.
Not enough hours in the week as it is
Winseer:
As long as they’re prepared to train ME up for one of those new vacant 32 hour jobs - I’m up for it.
Another illuminating insight into Winseer’s World. It’s only OK if you benefit. Something tells me you won’t… I thought much driver recruitment on the railways is from people like guards, ticket checkers and so on?
As for 32 hours per week, fair play if they can get it, but don’t forget there are plenty of office types who are only on 35hr per week anyway. I know I will be from later in the year… 9-5 with an hour for lunch. Suits me just fine.
Harry Monk:
As to the OP, yes, fair enough, we should all be working towards a 32 hour week and there’s more than enough wealth in the country to be able to do it except it’s concentrated in the hands of a few.
Trick is then, how do we get them to spend it?
mac12:
Mick Cash the man standing to become the new leader of the RMT union thinks rail workers need there working week bringing down to 32 hours so workers can have more time with there family’s and it would also create more jobs.Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.
and who will pay for all this? correct the public by way of fare increases which in turn will just price the railways out of being competitive thus will probably lead too job losses instead
scotstrucker:
mac12:
Mick Cash the man standing to become the new leader of the RMT union thinks rail workers need there working week bringing down to 32 hours so workers can have more time with there family’s and it would also create more jobs.Makes a truck drivers possible 123 hour week( having just 45 hours of each week) look bad.
and who will pay for all this? correct the public by way of fare increases which in turn will just price the railways out of being competitive thus will probably lead too job losses instead
Exactly, everybody always wants more money or less hours for the same $$, it’s natural, but you’ve got to tread a fineline and not price yourself out of a job. If they not careful they’ll bring driverless trains on themselves sooner.
Rentadent:
Winseer:
The nearest you can get to that in Trucking terms is the RM 36.25 hour week with unpaid meal breaks of upto 90 minutes a day added on top. For a 5 day week then, you’re still talking of a 43.75 hour basic working week - hardly the 35 hours including breaks that a 9-5 suit might expect in their ivory towers eh?
Playing with numbers to emphasise an argument doesn’t work when it’s basic maths.
A suit doing 5x 9-5 days a week would surely be doing 40 hours, not 35!
Nope. No one said anything about them “getting an hour for lunch” like the rest of us. More like a 2 hour liquid lunch, if we’re talking about office wallers in town on salaries. Then there’s the Luncheon Vouchers/Expenses paid system that the likes of us can only dream of.
Its not just the higher wages and shorter base hours you see - it’s also the fact that suits don’t have to put their hands in their pockets a lot either - at their own expense that is… Office workers outside the public sector are most likely to vote Conservative. Office workers in the public sector will be inefficient, and vote Labour. This is clearly not going to change the face of British politics, as any “third way” is only going to come about if more jobs had been lost in the private sector from 2008 than had been. In fact, how many actual new jobs have been created in ANY sector since 2008 - actual real jobs with a decent basic wage for 35 hours a week with paid meal breaks?
Olog Hai:
Winseer:
As long as they’re prepared to train ME up for one of those new vacant 32 hour jobs - I’m up for it.Another illuminating insight into Winseer’s World. It’s only OK if you benefit. Something tells me you won’t… I thought much driver recruitment on the railways is from people like guards, ticket checkers and so on?
As for 32 hours per week, fair play if they can get it, but don’t forget there are plenty of office types who are only on 35hr per week anyway. I know I will be from later in the year… 9-5 with an hour for lunch. Suits me just fine.
The point I make here is that we’d ALL write our own tickets if we could in life. Trouble is, most of us don’t get to - and there lies the difference between the “haves” and “have nots”.
Drivers “not sticking together” is all about some idiots being quite happy to spend 84+ hours a week in their trucks - because they’d rather not spend any quality time at home with the woman they married. That’s not the fault of the rest of us (ie general public immorality 21st century) but we all get to indirectly suffer for the miserable lives set by the few that bring down conditions for the rest of us.
No one will ever tell me that “having to work more hours than everyone else and get less money year on year as well” is right and proper.
The fools at bottom end have ruined the job for the rest of us that’s all.