Been driving an R560 on a 13 plate this week - does anyone have any trouble when moving off (selected gear not enabling)?
I twist the stalk first and see the gear flash up on the dash and then dip the clutch but it becomes a lottery as to whether the bloody gear activates on not - what am I not doing?
Tia
Clutch in first then select the gear
Engage Brain. 3 Pedals, Oh it is like a manual, so clutch down, engage gear and drive it like a manual. When moving, then treat it like an auto, Remember, when you come to a stop, it is a Manual, so Clutch down before you stall it
I’ve just read my post 
What I meant to write was: I dip the clutch first then engage gear - it’s at this point it becomes a lottery (and I don’t rush it) as to whether the gear engages
Try it in MH mate, that’ll be manual mode, the box responds faster in that mode and the system responds accurately to input on the gearswitch, you flick it three short clicks you’ll block change three gears instantly.
Are totally at a stop when engaging the gear? Not so common for engaging a forward gear but when selecting reverse unless you are completly still it will not engage.
Express Pete:
I’ve just read my post
What I meant to write was: I dip the clutch first then engage gear - it’s at this point it becomes a lottery (and I don’t rush it) as to whether the gear engages
It depends what scenario you are talking about.
If you are stationary, dip clutch, select gear, then apply accelerator as you lift off the clutch as per a normal manual, and then its “a lottery” as to whether the gear engages or not; that is a fault.
If you are talking about doing this while moving, say on approach to a roundabout or junction, then its not a fault. You are dipping the clutch unnecessarily, confusing the brain, and offering it the option of stranding you in neutral. You ONLY use the clutch if you are likely to come to a complete stop. Otherwise its carry on as an auto.
It’s when the truck is stationary
mazzer:
Are totally at a stop when engaging the gear? Not so common for engaging a forward gear but when selecting reverse unless you are completly still it will not engage.
+1 on this also. Changing from forward to reverse is simple once you work out this little trick. Does make you look a wally when you make a hash of it though!
Express Pete:
It’s when the truck is stationary
Then its a fault, it needs looking at.
We have them at our place, flipping horrible to use. Hateful things, Satans invention.
Juddian:
Try it in MH mate, that’ll be manual mode, the box responds faster in that mode and the system responds accurately to input on the gearswitch, you flick it three short clicks you’ll block change three gears instantly.
‘H’ or ‘P’ mode as it is on newer models has been disabled on our newer motors so we are stuck in economy ‘E’ mode 
Fine in normal conditions but absolutely hopeless on a hilly back road or on a nasty hill start when fully freighted, don’t even think about changing down a gear mid-climb because by the time it’s thought about it you’ve pretty much stalled 
rob22888:
Juddian:
Try it in MH mate, that’ll be manual mode, the box responds faster in that mode and the system responds accurately to input on the gearswitch, you flick it three short clicks you’ll block change three gears instantly.‘H’ or ‘P’ mode as it is on newer models has been disabled on our newer motors so we are stuck in economy ‘E’ mode
Oh bloody wonderful, i wonder which pointless gaffer who wouldn’t know which end of a lorry steers came up with that gem…
The one (only) really good thing about Scanny’s box was it’s instant reaction to driver input, and faster gearchanges in M/P mode.
Leave the bugger in auto and let it do its own thing restarting when it stalls out which it will, when they’ve coughed up £thousands for several recoveries and a few clutches they’ll have to have a rethink.
Juddian:
rob22888:
Juddian:
Try it in MH mate, that’ll be manual mode, the box responds faster in that mode and the system responds accurately to input on the gearswitch, you flick it three short clicks you’ll block change three gears instantly.‘H’ or ‘P’ mode as it is on newer models has been disabled on our newer motors so we are stuck in economy ‘E’ mode
Oh bloody wonderful, i wonder which pointless gaffer who wouldn’t know which end of a lorry steers came up with that gem…
The one (only) really good thing about Scanny’s box was it’s instant reaction to driver input, and faster gearchanges in M/P mode..
My latest Scania is 2 pedal R450, my previous was a 13 plate 3 pedal R440, that one had economy normal and power modes, could drive it manually, or change manualy even when in auto mode. Most of the time spent in Normal mode, but when in hilly country or in a city power mode was in valuable. The 2 pedal I have now only has normal or eco, when in eco its limited to 85 k’s, the manual function has been disabled, so you cant even knock it down a gear for a hill climb. What I will say though, and it hurts Me to do so, its better on fuel, and though you feel you need another gear on a hill, it doesn’t seem to have effected my journey times, not that I’m bothered by setting any records 
Eddie there are steep sudden hills on the two A roads that go from Worcester to Hereford, and on the same journey (for me) from Leominster to Worcester on return.
I had a car transporter at the time 22+ tons tare, so even with only half a load left on still over 30 tons on the return…(i’d start deliveries at the furthest point).
Both those hills are really sudden steep climbs, you can get a run up but all of a sudden you’re into what 1:8 or whatever they are, the speed would drop so fast that the gearbox could not keep up with it in any auto setting, had to be manual mode and then be ready for a quick block changes of 2 and sometimes 3 gears in order for the engine to be able to re-power and cope, can’t remember what the final gear would be now but probably around 4th or 5th when fully loaded.
My problem being that if the vehicle couldn’t cope and stalled out, then especially if it was wet bearing in mind it wasn’t a semi trailer but a wag/drag with bodied tractor unit prime mover, there was no way you’d get enough traction to get going again.
Luckily by the time speed dropped low enough to wheelspin possibilities you could flick the mid lift air dump to put some traction on the drive axle, still a bit hair raising at times.
I’d done steeper hills with no real problems but its the sudden steepening of these that flumoxed the box.
I know others who did the same journey (though it was a regular for me) who didn’t use manual had all sorts of problems, including having to reverse back down and restart in crawler.
Thats interesting about manual on yours being programmed out, is that standard issue now or your gaffer?
I’m wondering because my MAN is up for renewal in about 18 months, am hoping for another MAN but doubt that will be an option…if i get the choice i had considered a Scanny but that won’t my first alternative of manual is out.
Juddian:
Eddie there are steep sudden hills on the two A roads that go from Worcester to Hereford, and on the same journey (for me) from Leominster to Worcester on return.I had a car transporter at the time 22+ tons tare, so even with only half a load left on still over 30 tons on the return…(i’d start deliveries at the furthest point).
Both those hills are really sudden steep climbs, you can get a run up but all of a sudden you’re into what 1:8 or whatever they are, the speed would drop so fast that the gearbox could not keep up with it in any auto setting, had to be manual mode and then be ready for a quick block changes of 2 and sometimes 3 gears in order for the engine to be able to re-power and cope, can’t remember what the final gear would be now but probably around 4th or 5th when fully loaded.My problem being that if the vehicle couldn’t cope and stalled out, then especially if it was wet bearing in mind it wasn’t a semi trailer but a wag/drag with bodied tractor unit prime mover, there was no way you’d get enough traction to get going again.
Luckily by the time speed dropped low enough to wheelspin possibilities you could flick the mid lift air dump to put some traction on the drive axle, still a bit hair raising at times.
I’d done steeper hills with no real problems but its the sudden steepening of these that flumoxed the box.
I know others who did the same journey (though it was a regular for me) who didn’t use manual had all sorts of problems, including having to reverse back down and restart in crawler.Thats interesting about manual on yours being programmed out, is that standard issue now or your gaffer?
I’m wondering because my MAN is up for renewal in about 18 months, am hoping for another MAN but doubt that will be an option…if i get the choice i had considered a Scanny but that won’t my first alternative of manual is out.
I hear what you are saying about total auto, and I’d rather have the option to drive manual when required too .
I rarely get further than Bristol west bound or the M62 north bound, with ocassional trips to North Wales, so to be honest for the work that I do its adequate, but that’s all, if were going to Scotland regular or down the West Country, I’d be totally ham strung, so its not on top of the job any more, unlike the previous 440, which could handle that work aswell
Its what the bosses ordered, when our previous fleet manger ordered the 13 plates, he took a word or 2 off advise, and made sure they had manual option. The latest fleet guy is quite so consetial
I know a lad with a 65 plate 520 Scania, with the 2 pedal opticruise, and he’s got all the options, power mode normal and eco, also manual operation and override facility even when in auto. So its down to getting the spec right, and keeping the accountants out of the loop. So start hassling your fleet manager to spec it right Bud 
Thanks Eddie.
We’ve got some more Scannies coming anyway, they’ll be on fleet before whatever i’m going to be saddled with next gets ordered, so i’ll have a poke nose about those, make sure they still have manual mode.
Was kinda hoping the new model might be out by the time mine’s due… 
Have me doubts cos the latest Daf’s with Arsetronic will do manual if you request it but default back to auto about 30 seconds later, praying i don’t get saddled with one of those…‘luckily’ they drink fuel like its free so hopefully no more… 
My DAF 106 SSC has non of these problems. It’s like riding a moped, just twist and go… 
Can get similar problems on a 62 plate G440, tends to happen if the truck isn’t perfectly still, or the revs are 1 RPM higher than tickover.
Flicking the selector from A to N then back to A normally clears it though?
My R420 is the 2 pedal auto. I tend to leave it in AP majority of the time, not into using normal A, if I’m at a roundabout in normal auto and try to accelerate there’s a delay before there is any sort of response from the gear box, there’s been a few times where I’ve ended up looking a tool slowing people down. use AP however and it’s quite rapid off the mark