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Worked three 75 hour weeks in a row?
I appreciate the laws are different for buses than for hgvs but is that legal or has he been fudging his hours?
Not to mention hes had 24 complaints about his driving. How the hell did he still have a job in the first place?
The-Snowman:
Bus driver, 80, 'killed boy, seven, and 75-year-old woman when he crashed into Sainsbury's' | Daily Mail Online
Worked three 75 hour weeks in a row?
I appreciate the laws are different for buses than for hgvs but is that legal or has he been fudging his hours?
Not to mention hes had 24 complaints about his driving. How the hell did he still have a job in the first place?
Hours… No idea - wouldn’t even think it was possible on buses even if you were doing euro tours.
But he didn’t have 24 complaints. He had 24 notices saying he’d upset the telematics. If I’m driving a DAF I regularly get such rubbish - telling me to let the truck roll for longer before touching the breaks etc. 24 in three weeks isn’t that hard to believe it’s less than two per shift.
Edit - remember reading that on local routes they don’t need to use their tacho. So perhaps he was working 7 days a week or doing a bit of agency on the side. I know plenty of agency blokes who drive 7 days a week - mainly foreign lads. They just claim to have lost their card and do prinouts for two of the days. Then repeat the next week. So it’s not impossible to believe.
The-Snowman:
Bus driver, 80, 'killed boy, seven, and 75-year-old woman when he crashed into Sainsbury's' | Daily Mail Online
Worked three 75 hour weeks in a row?
I appreciate the laws are different for buses than for hgvs but is that legal or has he been fudging his hours?
Not to mention hes had 24 complaints about his driving. How the hell did he still have a job in the first place?
It’s possible, you can work 13/14 days, you can do 7 days straight of 5am to 3pm then start the next day at 3:05pm giving you the 24 hours off then do a week of lates etc … he could of been doing 7 til 8 spread overs all week having a 4 hour break in between … but the lapsed won’t want to mention the 20 odd hours of non driving.
discoman:
It’s possible, you can work 13/14 days, you can do 7 days straight of 5am to 3pm then start the next day at 3:05pm giving you the 24 hours off then do a week of lates etc … he could of been doing 7 til 8 spread overs all week having a 4 hour break in between … but the lapsed won’t want to mention the 20 odd hours of non driving.
Very true, I regularly did the 13 days in a row when I worked for Worst bus. They will quite happily max you out just to keep the buses running. Company I know of local to me has lots of drivers working ridiculous shifts all the time while paying under £9 an hour. You can drive a bus full of passengers for five and a half hours, get a minimum 35 minutes break, do another four and a half hours, and then have an 8 hour break, then come in the following morning and do it all again 
Funny thing is, this company wonders why it can’t get, and keep, drivers
Have to agree with the above. When I was on the buses over 20 years ago working 13 days a fortnight was a regular occurance as was 13hrs/day. And that’s on an ‘All Hours Worked’ basis of one consolidated rate of pay as negotiated by the glorious union. 
From speaking to drivers I know who are still there it’s not got any better.
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.
Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
Wtf is he doing those hours for at that age? You should be winding down for the old folks home. I started winding down at 40!
toonsy:
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
I don’t see what is wrong, if you genuinely work for them and you were aware of his irrational driving behaviour none of your counter staff AOM, OM see fit to address it and send him on a refresher course. If this guy has had 8 notices as claimed ■■
Please advise on what the posters here have misunderstood, output staff at bus companies do not give too hoots on driver fatigue as long as duties are covered. That’s fact. And the average wage is approx between 10.27 and 14.87 in that neck of the woods.
discoman:
toonsy:
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
I don’t see what is wrong, if you genuinely work for them and you were aware of his irrational driving behaviour none of your counter staff AOM, OM see fit to address it and send him on a refresher course. If this guy has had 8 notices as claimed ■■
Please advise on what the posters here have misunderstood, output staff at bus companies do not give too hoots on driver fatigue as long as duties are covered. That’s fact. And the average wage is approx between 10.27 and 14.87 in that neck of the woods.
Well the duty involved was 12:38 long, of which there was 2:30something of breaks. He worked that Monday to Friday.
Where the misconception is that it’s being said he’d worked 75hrs for three weeks. This is not the case. He travelled from Leamington to Rugby to work and then home again. He’s said himself he was leaving the house at 4.30am and not getting home until 9.30pm which is where the press are getting 75 hours from.
At no point was fatigue ever mentioned and as has been said in court he was always and I mean always looking for more hours. How would I stand if I said I think anyone is too old to work as they choose to bearing in mind they’ve been passed medically fit to do so?
I don’t work for them any longer. The incident happened whole he was working for another depot however there is presumably something in my witness statement which someone wants to ask me about
toonsy:
discoman:
toonsy:
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
I don’t see what is wrong, if you genuinely work for them and you were aware of his irrational driving behaviour none of your counter staff AOM, OM see fit to address it and send him on a refresher course. If this guy has had 8 notices as claimed ■■
Please advise on what the posters here have misunderstood, output staff at bus companies do not give too hoots on driver fatigue as long as duties are covered. That’s fact. And the average wage is approx between 10.27 and 14.87 in that neck of the woods.
Well the duty involved was 12:38 long, of which there was 2:30something of breaks. He worked that Monday to Friday.
Where the misconception is that it’s being said he’d worked 75hrs for three weeks. This is not the case. He travelled from Leamington to Rugby to work and then home again. He’s said himself he was leaving the house at 4.30am and not getting home until 9.30pm which is where the press are getting 75 hours from.
At no point was fatigue ever mentioned and as has been said in court he was always and I mean always looking for more hours. How would I stand if I said I think anyone is too old to work as they choose to bearing in mind they’ve been passed medically fit to do so?
I don’t work for them any longer. The incident happened whole he was working for another depot however there is presumably something in my witness statement which someone wants to ask me about
I agree with the hours, you just confirmed 13hours were break … regardless, of whether he was declaring fitness, a company can still determine with age and the fact 8 items were highlighted he had issues, “if its true” the braking Cornering etc, then surely management could of had he internal assessor check him … I have not drove a bus since the 90’s when I was young, but they used to do spot checks on us to check our driving …personally I think your lucky to be out of it … and sadly two loves are lost due to a person who was really not fit to drive the hours … as said the papers won’t relay all the facts as it doesn’t make for good reading,
Good luck in court, he deserves to be sent down but seems he won’t due to ill health
The Ecodriver system is being flagged up but there’s a huge issue in that it’s not consistent - performance varies by vehicle and even varies between identical vehicles so it’s not accurate as such.
It also is affected by time spent driving, so if you get one event but you’re a casual worker and therefore haven’t driven much in a month your score is higher compared to someone with more driving in the month. A high score generates a letter regardless of factoring in time driven.
But yeah I’m not sure how it’ll go and I’ll be helping any way I can.
He’s wasn’t working anymore hours than a lot of truck drivers do.
toonsy:
discoman:
toonsy:
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
I don’t see what is wrong, if you genuinely work for them and you were aware of his irrational driving behaviour none of your counter staff AOM, OM see fit to address it and send him on a refresher course. If this guy has had 8 notices as claimed ■■
Please advise on what the posters here have misunderstood, output staff at bus companies do not give too hoots on driver fatigue as long as duties are covered. That’s fact. And the average wage is approx between 10.27 and 14.87 in that neck of the woods.
Well the duty involved was 12:38 long, of which there was 2:30something of breaks. He worked that Monday to Friday.
Where the misconception is that it’s being said he’d worked 75hrs for three weeks. This is not the case. He travelled from Leamington to Rugby to work and then home again. He’s said himself he was leaving the house at 4.30am and not getting home until 9.30pm which is where the press are getting 75 hours from.
At no point was fatigue ever mentioned and as has been said in court he was always and I mean always looking for more hours. How would I stand if I said I think anyone is too old to work as they choose to bearing in mind they’ve been passed medically fit to do so?
I don’t work for them any longer. The incident happened whole he was working for another depot however there is presumably something in my witness statement which someone wants to ask me about
You never say they are to old. You say you are concerned if they are fit enough and pass to senior management (in writing) to deal with.
The medical is no different to the mot. Valid on date of issue. Things change…
The-Snowman:
Worked three 75 hour weeks in a row?
I appreciate the laws are different for buses than for hgvs but is that legal or has he been fudging his hours?
Not to mention hes had 24 complaints about his driving. How the hell did he still have a job in the first place?
You could almost do 75hr weeks in perpetuity driving trucks. 3x15, 2x13, 4hrs running in on 6th day, 45hrs off so a full weekly rest period starting the new week 1hr later than you did on your first day the week before.
kcrussell25:
toonsy:
discoman:
toonsy:
I was due in court about this today but the case is running behind schedule so I’m in tomorrow until I get a call later to say it’s put back again. I’ve to give evidence for it as I was shift manager for the company on that day.Suffice to say many things written both here and in the press aren’t exactly right or have been misinterpreted.
I don’t see what is wrong, if you genuinely work for them and you were aware of his irrational driving behaviour none of your counter staff AOM, OM see fit to address it and send him on a refresher course. If this guy has had 8 notices as claimed ■■
Please advise on what the posters here have misunderstood, output staff at bus companies do not give too hoots on driver fatigue as long as duties are covered. That’s fact. And the average wage is approx between 10.27 and 14.87 in that neck of the woods.
Well the duty involved was 12:38 long, of which there was 2:30something of breaks. He worked that Monday to Friday.
Where the misconception is that it’s being said he’d worked 75hrs for three weeks. This is not the case. He travelled from Leamington to Rugby to work and then home again. He’s said himself he was leaving the house at 4.30am and not getting home until 9.30pm which is where the press are getting 75 hours from.
At no point was fatigue ever mentioned and as has been said in court he was always and I mean always looking for more hours. How would I stand if I said I think anyone is too old to work as they choose to bearing in mind they’ve been passed medically fit to do so?
I don’t work for them any longer. The incident happened whole he was working for another depot however there is presumably something in my witness statement which someone wants to ask me about
You never say they are to old. You say you are concerned if they are fit enough and pass to senior management (in writing) to deal with.
The medical is no different to the mot. Valid on date of issue. Things change…
They do. But in exactly the same way as a 21-year-old, or anyone of any age in fact, who suffers a change in health circumstances the onus is on them to notify.
From seeing the chap reasonably often, I can hand on heart say I didn’t even know he was 77 or whatever he was at the time and I was asked by the police how old I thought he was and said “recently retired I’d say”…
End of the day the guy passed everything he needed to pass to hold his vocational entitlement, including his annual medical, and the DVLA issued it.
He obviously never saved enough of his expenses he got when he was a mayor to retire, will have to ask our Tobes for the rough figures he may have got … 
I see too many similarities with the Glasgow bin lorry crash. I am 65 and seldom do more than 30 hours in a week . I take the bus home so am not wasting time travelling to and from the yard. I find it unbelievable that this very old man was doing so much driving. This tragedy ought to have been avoided.
After working 13 days in a row you need 24 hours off… so he could of done an early on Monday and finish at 2pm then a backturn on Tuesday starting at say 3pm. I think you can do 16hr days too
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