Big Al, it is nice having a banter with you, one of my jobs in the 60s was on barricks transport, I even delivered coal when haulage was slack,used to have good times in preston many moons ago. one thing sticks in my mind, old guy tipper vixen,7ton graded to ten ton, went to a farm at Kennelworth to pick up grain for Ovis, they load so much on, I told the farmer he must take some off, he refused, I said I will tip all of it off, He said why, because the body is so low, I cannot turn my bloody wheels to turn left or right ha ha ha