22 yr old ex squaddie

Hi all new to this site and so far im finding it very useful and inspiring, please excuse my question as im sure its been asked a million times before.

I have recently left the army with my class 1 and class 2 i passed both 1st time when i was 20, and drove in many countries including Iraq, now that i have left the Army no civilian employers want to touch me its the usual “must be over 25” i keep hearing. Technically i have 2 years experience so i dont see how this should be a problem. I am willing to do class 1 or 2 driving anything for experience, I live in the HUll area any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Hi broxy,

I’m on the other side of the country mate, but since you’ve given your location, I’m fairly sure that there’ll be somebody along in a while with local knowledge to help you. :smiley:

. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Welcome broxy :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: .
You may get a bigger response in the more popular Pro Driver Forum :bulb: - lots of ex-squaddies on there as well :slight_smile:

Forum with some useful stuff and Forum for questions on drivers hours

Have you spoken with Heron Foods… Not sure if they have moved down to Melton yet, if not still on Hessle Road.

Just curious do the army do the driving tests in the same way the DSA do or is it basically just a check list NVQ style off road. One agency said to me co’s prefer civilian passes as apposed to ex military passes.

welcome to the mad house

they like over 25 due to insurance ( as too high otherwise )

no offense meant here but can you reverse :question: as past experience most ex forces cant due to them always havin a banks-man

the company i did work for took an ex army only to find he couldnt reverse or know about the trailer brake or the drivers hours ( he stoped 2 hrs into shift as it was lunchtime midday ) he drove out the yard without doing any checks as in the army it was all done for him ( as was his loading )

sorry to sound negative but this has all happened in the past as well as a lot more maybe that is why they are skeptical

andrewjh009:
Just curious do the army do the driving tests in the same way the DSA do or is it basically just a check list NVQ style off road. One agency said to me co’s prefer civilian passes as apposed to ex military passes.

The army examiners are trained at cardington just the same as the DSA examiners and the test should be conducted exactly the same…

26 years an Lgv Trainer:

andrewjh009:
Just curious do the army do the driving tests in the same way the DSA do or is it basically just a check list NVQ style off road. One agency said to me co’s prefer civilian passes as apposed to ex military passes.

The army examiners are trained at cardington just the same as the DSA examiners and the test should be conducted exactly the same…

The army examiner instructors are trained at/by Cardington, to be precise. The examiners course, or DDE (Delegated/Defence Driving Examiner depending on which Master Driver you speak with) to give it its correct title, is held at Leconfield, Specialist Driver Training Wing.

The NVQ comment made me laugh - that’s a prime candidate for the ‘My Mate Said’ Award!! The military examiners course is exactly the same as the Cardington course except for the last week (all about testing disabled drivers and using adapted vehicles) which is not needed by the military.

What I will add, and not many people know this, is that it’s not just a case of the MoD always following Cardington’s lead, quite the opposite sometimes! For example, Cardington took a lead from the MoD when they were researching the ‘new’ motorbike test, last time around it was changed.

BTW, when the Drivers CPC was being researched, the MoD’s Familiarisation Package was closely looked at and (supposedly) some of the MoD’s practises were adopted. Military drivers have always had in-depth instruction with regard to the likes of loading and restraint, vehicle checks and driver maintenance, recovery/self-recovery and drivers hours. Yep, military drivers are subjected to drivers hours regulations, albeit worded slightly differently. All MoD drivers (including Cat B i.e. L/Rovers), with regard to Drivers Hours Legislation, will comply with the spirit of the law. The reason for the wording ‘spirit’ rather than ‘letter’ [of the law] is to allow the MoD to retain an option to operate outside of this legislation in times of war or national emergency. I can assure you that this would only happen as an absolute last resort and even in operational theatres there are drivers hours restrictions in place.

As for the comments regarding reversing, banksman etc, I’m sure that they’re true but you do get ‘weak links’ in all walks of life and all areas of transport. There is also the problem of skill-fade if a driver, due to posting or whatever, is no longer regularly operating that type/class of vehicle, or indeed any piece of equipment/military hardware. Hopefully, if a military driver has any inkling that he may want to pursue a driving carer after his military one, he will at least try to keep his hand in with refresher training or better still, some agency work.

To potential employers I would say, don’t write-off the (ex mil) bloke before he’s even started; take a bit of time to look at what he has done in the past, give him a bit of refresher training (personal development, if you will) and 99% of the time you’ll end up with a hard working, disciplined, reliable and quality employee.

Thanks to all replies, as regards to the test the military take as far as im aware its conducted the same as civilians with Dsa approved instructors. with regards to reversing that is quite true the majority of reversing is done with assistance but i feel competent in reversing. Hopefully some one will give me a chance and i can prove myself. :smiley:

As i have found out employers and agencies aren`t taking me seriously especially with me only been 22, so i was after some advice please i was going to book an LGV refresher on class1 and also a course on the digitacograph card to show employers and agencies im not just another squaddie and it will be beneficial to me . Although i want to do the digitacograph course i have recently purchased the pocket guide to LGV drivers hours & tacograph law.And now have a fair understanding of driving hours.
Anyway do you think this is worthwhile doing or a waste of money, I know i was priviliged enough to get my licences for free and admire the people who have gained theres through hard earned money.And i know with ex military theres lot of ignorent ex military who think they know it all and give us a bad name i dont want to be branded in that cateogry.

I don’t see how any ‘extra’ training you put yourself through can be viewed in a negative light. Maybe look to getting a few days worth of the DCPC under your belt - it may the difference to those who are otherwise ‘not taking you seriously’.

Of course, if you’re down to your last penny then maybe the above doesn’t apply! :wink:

you just have to keep bashing your head against the brick wall

oops sorry major typo

just keep knocking on doors
go out with mates for jollies offer to do yard work
someone will give you a start eventually

Broxy,

just a quick question. what did you do for your ressetlement? did you get any?

ive just left (was pushed medically) the forces after 18 years and walked into a full time job by sheer perseverance. i was meeting the not enough experience wall (not quite as bad as the not old enough wall mind) but eventually after sending out about 200 cv’s (Did you do the Career Transition Workshop (learning about interview techniques and CV writing) before leaving?)and knocking on numerous doors it paid off.

i wish you luck in your search.

Lee,

What resettlement training did you do? Was it of any benefit in the end?

it hasnt been of any benefit yet but it will be in the future, fingers crossed, i did my CPC (proper one, not mickey mouse drivers one - national and international) on a 2 week residential course with mainstream in kent.

why do you ask mate? you due to leave or something and looking for ideas?

edited due to terrible spelling induced by stella

Lee G:
edited due to terrible spelling induced by stella

She’s a ■■■■■ isn’y she :wink:

i spoke to a lot of company’s and first questions they asked was ex-army .

i asked the reason question was been asked and 95% of them said we dont touch them because of so many problems with poor driving .

this is just what i was told , am no ex army or noithing but might be good idea to not mention it if you can as it seams frown upon .

must admit only ever met one ex army was nice enough chap and only person i no who had shineyer boots that the office staff and dressed like he was going to a funreal everyday for work suit , tie the works , oldish chap .

my mate is ex special forces and got pusshed out on medical grounds and found it so hard to get a job , police wouldnt touch him as said trained to kill and not what they look for and driving jobs wouldnt give him a break .

finaly found hiself a cussy job but took time .

myself would expect it to be easyer due down to discpline .

Lee

I only served four years so i wasn`t entitled to much ressettlement, i did attend the CTP workshop, if i would have served six years i would be entitled to a sum of money to retrain and now im thinking maybe would have been worth it, I see that ex army drivers are looked down on a bit, i dont see why the minority of poor army drivers should label the rest of us, Thanks for all the feedback its appreciated.

psb8 wrote

must admit only ever met one ex army was nice enough chap and only person i no who had shineyer boots that the office staff and dressed like he was going to a funreal everyday for work suit , tie the works , oldish chap .

My husband did 24 yrs in the Army, and has been a trainer for over 22 yrs, and still prides himself by going to work nearly everyday in a shirt and tie!!!

fallingbostel:
My husband did 24 yrs in the Army, and has been a trainer for over 22 yrs, and still prides himself by going to work nearly everyday in a shirt and tie!!!

Institutionalised!! :laughing: