is it legal to double stack 200 ltr adr flamable drums on plts,notis it safr but is it legal
No idea, but I watched the film “Daylight” once… Double stacked drums didn’t work out well there 
Dieseldave should be about soon enough, could always pm him if your in a rush…personally don’t know much about ADR… but if it came down to common sense, what are the containers made of plastic or metal…condition of the containers… as long as each stack was secure what’s the issue… as I say Dieseldave’s the expert, not me… 
Nip over to the old timers thread
Bewick has pictures on his Bewick Transport thread of what they used to call 45 Gallon drums stacked on flatbed trailers.
He might be able to help with your question.
As long as its secured properly its legal.
Whether its safe would be a matter of opinion.
Here’s a pdf for safe loading practice from Chemical Business Association. Read Number 27
von max:
is it legal to double stack 200 ltr adr flamable drums on plts,notis it safr but is it legal
Hi von max,
The short answer is “Yes” it’s legal to stack drums on pallets.
ADR has this to say about it:
ADR 7.5.7.2
Packages shall not be stacked unless designed for that purpose. Where different design types of packages that have been designed for stacking are to be loaded together, consideration shall be given to their compatibility for stacking with each other. Where necessary, stacked packages shall be prevented from damaging the package below by the use of load-bearing devices.
The first sentence is answered by the fact that the drums are approved by the UN package testing scheme, which includes a stacking test.
After successful testing, that type of drum gets a UN approval mark, which looks something like this:
(The first part of the code indicates the type of package… 1A1 means it’s a steel drum with a bung lid.)
All we need to do now is to use “load bearing devices,” (= pallets 
) so if the drums are suitably secured to each other AND onto the pallets, then a pallet of drums can be stacked on top of another pallet of drums.
Obviously, once the staking has been completed, there’ll need to be straps over each stack.
Then there’s this to consider, but it shouldn’t be a problem if the above has been completed with care:
ADR 7.5.7.3
During loading and unloading, packages containing dangerous goods shall be protected from being damaged.
Thanks for replies was as i assumed
Somehow, a driver having an ADR qualification gives me zero feeling of safety. All the drivers who actually have it that i’ve come across or read seem clueless about it.
hiya i ve carried drums topped many times but a few years ago…i was lucky and loaded the trailer or i was their when
the trailer was been loaded. if i had 8 pallets 4 on top i d put them near the center post then i could ratchet strap them to the post although they was also banded…i always felt safe like that…they never moved.
Mike-C:
Somehow, a driver having an ADR qualification gives me zero feeling of safety. All the drivers who actually have it that i’ve come across or read seem clueless about it.
+1. Sometimes I Think what this industry needs is some kind of professional standard to raise our game. We could perhaps attend classroom based lessons for a number of hours each year, with guidance from qualified experts.
Pie in the sky I know, but one can always dream.
the maoster:
Mike-C:
Somehow, a driver having an ADR qualification gives me zero feeling of safety. All the drivers who actually have it that i’ve come across or read seem clueless about it.+1. Sometimes I Think what this industry needs is some kind of professional standard to raise our game. We could perhaps attend classroom based lessons for a number of hours each year, with guidance from qualified experts.
Pie in the sky I know, but one can always dream.
Maybe they should all have an idiots guide book. To be carried with at all times
the maoster:
Mike-C:
Somehow, a driver having an ADR qualification gives me zero feeling of safety. All the drivers who actually have it that i’ve come across or read seem clueless about it.+1. Sometimes I Think what this industry needs is some kind of professional standard to raise our game. We could perhaps attend classroom based lessons for a number of hours each year, with guidance from qualified experts.
Pie in the sky I know, but one can always dream.
And once you’ve attended the classroom lessons, a professional government type body could issue you with a card, looks similar to a driving licence, as proof you attended - I would call it a “Card Proving Completion” or CPC for short
Mike-C:
Somehow, a driver having an ADR qualification gives me zero feeling of safety. All the drivers who actually have it that i’ve come across or read seem clueless about it.
To be fair mate, you’re absolutely right.
I think, if you do the same thing (product) everyday then you’ll probably learn about it over time, but most people don’t, they do different things all the time.
Especially, when like the OP, it’s general, so probably don’t do much ADR at all and it’ll all be ad-hoc and on the bosses orders.
What I’m trying to say is, there’s far too much to KNOW in ADR, so you learn what you have to and try to stay legal, and if in doubt, ask - as the OP did - someone more knowledgeable like DD.
I was taught by DD, and he’s good at getting things across, doesn’t let the ‘I know it all already’ in the class get out of hand and confuse matters, but I’ll admit, I know ■■■■ ALL about ADR, done 1 ADR job and 1 general job that included some ADR, and still know nothing about it.
Check legalities such as fire extinguishers, spill kits etc etc, then make sure my finger is always wet so in an emergency I know which way the wind is blowing