I no its not the same but i been in a lorry all my life and have always wanted to spend my life in a lorry. But i would love to drive an artic but it not gonna happen for a little while so i wana start off driving a 8wheeler i.e tipper trucks. Then move onto my dream of driving europe.
I will probably start off right from the bottom with Reddaways then eventually get on to Artics and hopefully become an ownerdriver 
Got to start some where have`nt I. I will take any job once i have my licence as long as im driving i wont mind then maybe progress but hey lets see what hapens when i have a few thousend quid to spare. 
I THINK YOU are all missing the point 18 years of AGE gets a class 1 then gets his or hers first job , " right there you go drive the keys to the new volvo " OH AND BY THE WAY ITS GO 14 DELIVERIES ON IT FOR THE WEEK ACROSS UK GET EM DONE !!!
“”“”" MUMMY “”
YES 
HOW DO I GET TOO SCOTLAND BY TUESDAY 
YES DRIVING SKILLS MAYBE BUT THATS THE EASY BIT
topmixer11:
I THINK YOU are all missing the point
Not all of us…
ROG:
Big D:
I have trained hundreds of 18 year olds for LGV under the young driver schemeI believe that was the scheme where young drivers had to be employed by a company and could only drive for that company. That meant that they had ongoing development training for a long period rather like an old style apprenticeship.
The new young drivers will not have that - get the licence, albeit with a little more basic training (Initial driver CPC), and ‘get on with it’ is the more likely outcome for them.
To me, those two ways of doing things are worlds apart.
topmixer11:
I THINK YOU are all missing the point 18 years of AGE gets a class 1 then gets his or hers first job , " right there you go drive the keys to the new volvo " OH AND BY THE WAY ITS GO 14 DELIVERIES ON IT FOR THE WEEK ACROSS UK GET EM DONE !!!“”“”" MUMMY “”
YESHOW DO I GET TOO SCOTLAND BY TUESDAY
YES DRIVING SKILLS MAYBE BUT THATS THE EASY BIT
never thought of it that way but yes i see your point now LOL
topmixer11:
I THINK YOU are all missing the point 18 years of AGE gets a class 1 then gets his or hers first job , " right there you go drive the keys to the new volvo " OH AND BY THE WAY ITS GO 14 DELIVERIES ON IT FOR THE WEEK ACROSS UK GET EM DONE !!!“”“”" MUMMY “”
YESHOW DO I GET TOO SCOTLAND BY TUESDAY
YES DRIVING SKILLS MAYBE BUT THATS THE EASY BIT
Agree with the above, good point.
gogzy:
topmixer11:
I THINK YOU are all missing the point 18 years of AGE gets a class 1 then gets his or hers first job , " right there you go drive the keys to the new volvo " OH AND BY THE WAY ITS GO 14 DELIVERIES ON IT FOR THE WEEK ACROSS UK GET EM DONE !!!“”“”" MUMMY “”
YESHOW DO I GET TOO SCOTLAND BY TUESDAY
YES DRIVING SKILLS MAYBE BUT THATS THE EASY BIT
never thought of it that way but yes i see your point now LOL
So your saying that just because your 18 you cant read a map, i have been map reading while i have been with my dad for years to places like small housing estates in Birmingham, I could get to scotland from where i live easily and im only 16, oh and for the multi-drop bit i have directed my dad on a multi-drop run of 14 garden centres around wales, managed every drop and Didn’t get lost.
sorry about this rant i just disagree strongly with what you said 
sam
phantom309:
So your saying that just because your 18 you cant read a map,
I don’t think he was saying that.
IMO his point was to emphasise the GENERAL lack of the BASICS for this job that MOST people of that age don’t have.
Taking map reading as an issue - I’ve not seen anything in the INITIAL driver cpc that covers that !!
I believe many will require a ‘buddy’ type of system to get them into the basics but unfortunately there is not a general system in place that does this 
Many older drivers coming into this industry have experience of things like map reading, route planning etc even if it just done in their cars over a long period of time.
The few, like yourself, have had the opportunity to do many things when going out with another driver, even before you were old enough to drive, and it is likely to be that group who become young LGV drivers that will be able to ‘get on with it’
i wasnt being rude too 18 year olds just pointing out a very big part of driving work ,example guy at sainsburys class 1 new driver sacked second day 2 mins late for delivery , right i hear you say thats a bit harsh ,well thats because he took the truck too STANWAY colchester ,delivery was STANMORE MIDDX basic knowledge !!! example pull intoo freight forwarder full ,load of pallets ,you have gotta be clued up to even find the right people too offload you its something you learn through the years .DELIVERY DELIVERY POINT two seperate things as far as im concerned , timing is very important get that wrong your whole day will go ■■■■ up ,all these things need too be thought and sorted while behind that wheel . handball CAN BE THE SHOCK OF YOUR LIFE especially when you think all you have too do is DRIVE !!! . PLANNING TACHO LAWS WEEKLY REST DAILY REST SPREADOVERS COMPENSATION does not come after examiner says well done mr 18 year old youve passed , this could land you in serious trouble , ive sat acourse for all this and im 45 and still i find it taxing on the brain . i do 25 drops aday have done this for years but still i find it difficult too plan from one day too the next as it will allways DIFFER .To sum it up DRIVING IS THE EASY BIT all the other stuff if not done with ease and precision WILL cause major problems EITHER with your employer vosa or the customer . EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE
topmixer, can I ask who taught you all this knowledge and experience?
You started green, just as these 18 yr olds will do, so what is the difference■■?
Everyone has to start somewhere and all we hear is old drivers against young ones…do they feel threatened, I wonder?
Pat
YES you can ask first i rode a push bike when i was 6 ,then at 16 i rode a moped ,then at 18 i drove a car ,when i was 24 i drove a 3.5 merc van for interlink , when i was 30 i drove a 7.5 ton for royal mail ,when i was 41 i drove a 18ton ,now im 45 i drive a 18t and have class 1 ,tel me thats not a learning curve ,and too add to this when i was 21 i joined a agency and with no experience was given a days work with the now defunct royal mail HALCON heavy and large consignments in a brand new long base iveco 7.5t 30 odd drops in a rural area no tacho knowledge no idea how to drive it ,I COMPLETED 4 DELIVERYS !!! ■■■■ my pants and cried for my mum THE KNOWLEDGE i have now has been steady in coming trhough the ranks and courses i have paid for myself ,hope this answers your query !!
phantom309:
gogzy:
topmixer11:
I THINK YOU are all missing the point 18 years of AGE gets a class 1 then gets his or hers first job , " right there you go drive the keys to the new volvo " OH AND BY THE WAY ITS GO 14 DELIVERIES ON IT FOR THE WEEK ACROSS UK GET EM DONE !!!“”“”" MUMMY “”
YESHOW DO I GET TOO SCOTLAND BY TUESDAY
YES DRIVING SKILLS MAYBE BUT THATS THE EASY BIT
never thought of it that way but yes i see your point now LOL
So your saying that just because your 18 you cant read a map, i have been map reading while i have been with my dad for years to places like small housing estates in Birmingham, I could get to scotland from where i live easily and im only 16, oh and for the multi-drop bit i have directed my dad on a multi-drop run of 14 garden centres around wales, managed every drop and Didn’t get lost.
sorry about this rant i just disagree strongly with what you said
sam
in all honesty i get friends phoning me up asking me how to get somewhere, i even had to direct one of my frineds home from blackpool while i was int the pub, not hard i know but schools dont teach you how to read a map or anything so your average 18 year old isnt going to be able to do the job. .see what your saying is all well and true but you were in the passenger seat and you could keep ur eyes on the map if you really wanted to all the time. try reading a map while driving and watching where the truck is? it wont be possible for ani nexperiencecd driver, they will spend more time at the side of the road than driving. yes YOU can read a map but i know folk who are older than me who cant read a map.
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in all honesty i get friends phoning me up asking me how to get somewhere, i even had to direct one of my frineds home from blackpool while i was int the pub, not hard i know but schools dont teach you how to read a map or anything so your average 18 year old isnt going to be able to do the job. .see what your saying is all well and true but you were in the passenger seat and you could keep ur eyes on the map if you really wanted to all the time. try reading a map while driving and watching where the truck is? it wont be possible for ani nexperiencecd driver, they will spend more time at the side of the road than driving. yes YOU can read a map but i know folk who are older than me who cant read a map.
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thats where i learnt to read a map and it did not take me long to balance reading a map pined to a defender steering wheel and driving at the same time but there is also sat-nav for the motorway parts and some small city bits.
I COMPLETED 4 DELIVERYS !!! [zb] my pants and cried for my mum THE KNOWLEDGE i have now has been steady in coming trhough the ranks and courses i have paid for myself ,hope this answers your query !!
Exactly how most of us have done it, and exactly how it will always be.
Only…coming through the ranks will start at 18 instead of 21.
At 18 you can get married, vote, fight ( and lose your life) for your Country and yet you say you shouldn’t be allowed to drive a lorry 
Pat
THE VEHICLE CURER:
in all honesty i get friends phoning me up asking me how to get somewhere, i even had to direct one of my frineds home from blackpool while i was int the pub, not hard i know but schools dont teach you how to read a map or anything so your average 18 year old isnt going to be able to do the job. .see what your saying is all well and true but you were in the passenger seat and you could keep ur eyes on the map if you really wanted to all the time. try reading a map while driving and watching where the truck is? it wont be possible for ani nexperiencecd driver, they will spend more time at the side of the road than driving. yes YOU can read a map but i know folk who are older than me who cant read a map.
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thats where i learnt to read a map and it did not take me long to balance reading a map pined to a defender steering wheel and driving at the same time but there is also sat-nav for the motorway parts and some small city bits.
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a defender isnt quite 16.5 metres long and 44 tons though is it?
FROM HERE:
Mixed reactions to lowering age limit of LGV licence
Published: 16 September 2009The legal age a person can acquire an LGV (large goods vehicle) licence has been lowered from 21 to 18, as part of the new Driver CPC legislation, which came into force on 10 September.
However, the change has been met with a mixed response from the industry, claiming that what appears to be a solution to both the shortage of drivers in the industry as well as its ageing workforce will prove costly to operators.
Sean Pargeter, sales director at EP Training Services in Surrey tells CM: ‘I do not think there is a shortage of drivers, there is a shortage of good drivers. Dropping the age to obtain LGV licence age to 18 gives me two areas of concern: the lack of experience required to gain employment and the high insurance premiums. Operators are not going to want to employ people without experience or road sense.’
Pargeter also questioned why lowering the age limit for an LGV licence had not been publicised ahead of the introduction of the Driver CPC.
Ray Conneely, general manager at Massey Wilcox Transport, concurs: ‘In my opinion, there are not many 18-year olds that are mature enough. Most don’t think ahead about potential traffic dangers and are much more likely to have accidents, which is why car insurance premiums are so high for 18-year olds. It would need to be a remarkable individual indeed for us to consider employing an 18-year-old HGV driver.’
Meanwhile, a spokesman for recruitment agency Driver Hire adds: 'It will make road transport a more attractive proposition as a career for younger people. The requirement to be 21 before applying for an HGV licence often meant that they went in to other industries.
‘As a driver agency, we have a duty to our clients to ensure that the drivers we provide are compliant, reliable, trustworthy and suitably skilled people. That’s why we carry out stringent checks on all new drivers. If they are younger, this does, perhaps, become even more important. But, as long as we are certain that a driver is competent and sensible, and insurers are prepared to provide adequate cover, this move is broadly welcomed by us.’Courtesy of roadtransport.com
driver hire talk the biggest load of gash ever, they said id sturggle to get class 1 work with them which was true. 2 shifts in about 2 years. the kids will be out in the vans until they are 21, the companies aint gonna get kids in to do the work if they can get more experienced people. this cpc is just a flaming joke.
gogzy:
THE VEHICLE CURER:
in all honesty i get friends phoning me up asking me how to get somewhere, i even had to direct one of my frineds home from blackpool while i was int the pub, not hard i know but schools dont teach you how to read a map or anything so your average 18 year old isnt going to be able to do the job. .see what your saying is all well and true but you were in the passenger seat and you could keep ur eyes on the map if you really wanted to all the time. try reading a map while driving and watching where the truck is? it wont be possible for ani nexperiencecd driver, they will spend more time at the side of the road than driving. yes YOU can read a map but i know folk who are older than me who cant read a map.
thats where i learnt to read a map and it did not take me long to balance reading a map pined to a defender steering wheel and driving at the same time but there is also sat-nav for the motorway parts and some small city bits.
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a defender isnt quite 16.5 metres long and 44 tons though is it?
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well what else can i drive at 17? the biggest thing i can drive is a defender 110 with a 3.5T i for williams trailer on yes it’s not 16.5M long and yes it does not weigh 44T but it’s better then nothing.
gogzy:
driver hire talk the biggest load of gash ever, they said id sturggle to get class 1 work with them which was true. 2 shifts in about 2 years. the kids will be out in the vans until they are 21, the companies aint gonna get kids in to do the work if they can get more experienced people. this cpc is just a flaming joke.
All depends on the current situation in your area - many Driver Hire franchises are getting work for drivers - they are not all the same.
THE VEHICLE CURER:
limeyphil:
just tell the little runt he’s on “reefers”. he’ll be fine.
“yer, right, top one, sorted, an dat, innit”
“smoke da reefer”.eeemmm excuse me, have i called you any names? and i am not a druggy i have worked very hard to get to where i am today and why does every body have this view that all teenagers with a license fly round a housing estate with crap music blasting out and writing off cars. i am nothing like that i have never written off a car, got 0 points on my license and don’t blast music out whilst driving round in a crap little saxo that looks like it has driven into halfords.
well i screamed around with music blairing out when i was a lad, so i’m talking from experience. and more smoke came out of the inside of the car than the exhaust. 
i didn’t mean to offend anyone, but you must admit, there are a lot of boy racer pot heads about. and that is of course not all teenagers, but they are the loudest, so they get noticed.
