The biggest problems in any company usually arise from a lack of communication. You say that you are paid above average for the area anfd are treated well by the company, you are also on a guarateed 50 yrs + overtime so nothing so far sounds too bad. So talk to them once the job is over and done and come to some arrangement for now, and any future similar event. There must be an amicable way around this whether it is time off, a cash payment, x number of hours paid, an assumed 8am start or whatever.
peirre:
albion:
I’ve got two tipping in Sicily this afternoon, their 're-load is Monday afternoon. They are guaranteed 12 hours a day abroad. So the customer can either find someone else to reload or the cost of their ‘holiday’is added to the price.
I’ve a strange image of a horses head being left on the customers pillow if they don’t pay the extra cost
I find it an effective negotiating tool, particularly with the pointy shoes clutching their freshly minted business management degree. 
toonsy:
I’d have 11 off and put my card in, show time for my checks then rest it for the remaining hours.Why should you lose out by sitting away from home until they need you?
I think that’s a reasonable rule of thumb in the absence of a specific understanding or agreement.
If the employer plans in waiting time, then that has to be paid for.
It happened a lot with tank work, tip a load of raw crude material, let the customer work their magic and change it into something drinkable, edible, flammable or simply sit on steam coils for 24 hours, it was worked into the cost, meanwhile the driver cleaned the tanker inside and out, and put the truck through the wash.
Like dieseldog999 my card went in when I was ready to go, if we got demurrage signed for we got paid, if not we made an agreement about pay.
No one should work for nothing, if you are doing a training day, an assessment, making tea for the mechanic or washing the bosses car, he will expect to pay you!
robroy:
Just leave me to worry about my job, you just look after your own.
Sage advice that you would do very well to take yourself. Were you not well underway with a normal Robroy outrage-by-proxy episode just a few days ago about what some drivers at Jenkinsons get up to when setting off early Monday morning or similar? How is that any of your business?
Olog Hai:
robroy:
Just leave me to worry about my job, you just look after your own.Sage advice that you would do very well to take yourself. Were you not well underway with a normal Robroy outrage-by-proxy episode just a few days ago about what some drivers at Jenkinsons get up to when setting off early Monday morning or similar? How is that any of your business?
Where exactly did I say it WAS my business?
I was making a comment on a thread on a similar subject of which I’m fully entitled to do, proxy or otherwise… 
Oh and thanks for your offer of advice (if I ever bizzarely need it 
) I’ll get back to you. 
Also who tf (apart from you) mentioned Jenkinsons ■■
toonsy:
I’d have 11 off and put my card in, show time for my checks then rest it for the remaining hours.Why should you lose out by sitting away from home until they need you?
+1
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albion:
Your job is not to worry about their profit margin.
your job is to drive and theirs is to get the best out of the assets..
Not according to many on this thread apparentlly. 
It sounds as if some on here are naive and gulliblle enough to believe their firms when they plead poverty.
Take my poor firm for instance, some of our prolific key job/ very important managers, "Compliance managers’’ and the like 
, (how could we manage without them) are roughing it in 12 month old BMWs ffs
Maybe I should volunteer to do some unpaid hours to help them obtain a 68 plate.
robroy:
discoman:
Surely, your on a wind up ■■ … If you are working for a company who are struggling to get work in and break even don’t be surprised if your job stops … after the 11 rest bang in the card. But you claim your paid 50 hours a week how many hours have you work thus far… no wonder your job is on a race to the bottom.Tell you what pal here’s what we’ll do.
Just leave me to worry about my job, you just look after your own.
Since when did you have the right to veto a persons opinion on a job … the fact is it’s not a drivers problem to whether his company can maintain a decent profit margin … its small companies likes his that ruin it for other companies doing the right thing.
robroy:
albion:
Your job is not to worry about their profit margin.
your job is to drive and theirs is to get the best out of the assets..
Not according to many on this thread apparentlly.
It sounds as if some on here are naive and gulliblle enough to believe their firms when they plead poverty.l:
To play devil’s advocate, the OP works for someone with five? trucks, someone paying late, heavy repair bill can tip you into the red, as I think you know. Probably the hardest thing in haulage is to have a few wagons on general. I can never see how anyone makes it pay. OP can always take a look at Companies House and see how things are going if he wanted.
Though it’s still not his problem.
discoman:
robroy:
discoman:
Surely, your on a wind up ■■ … If you are working for a company who are struggling to get work in and break even don’t be surprised if your job stops … after the 11 rest bang in the card. But you claim your paid 50 hours a week how many hours have you work thus far… no wonder your job is on a race to the bottom.Tell you what pal here’s what we’ll do.
Just leave me to worry about my job, you just look after your own.Since when did you have the right to veto a persons opinion on a job … the fact is it’s not a drivers problem to whether his company can maintain a decent profit margin … its small companies likes his that ruin it for other companies doing the right thing.
Now I’m totally confused, first I’m ‘‘On a wind up’’ now you’re saying virtually the same as me.
So basically you’re agreeing with me now then when I said it wasn’t his place to subsidise the rate for the job by waiting to book on unpaid.
Or am I way off here.
albion:
robroy:
albion:
Your job is not to worry about their profit margin.
your job is to drive and theirs is to get the best out of the assets..
Not according to many on this thread apparentlly.
It sounds as if some on here are naive and gulliblle enough to believe their firms when they plead poverty.l:
To play devil’s advocate, the OP works for someone with five? trucks, someone paying late, heavy repair bill can tip you into the red, as I think you know. Probably the hardest thing in haulage is to have a few wagons on general. I can never see how anyone makes it pay. OP can always take a look at Companies House and see how things are going if he wanted.
Though it’s still not his problem.
Yeh I do know, and you are absolutely right,… I’ve been there in fact.
Bottom line is (as you say) it aint his problem, he works to live and keep his family, not to make up allowances for a firm who do not factor in this kind of stuff in their rates in the first place…that’s life and harsh reality.
robroy:
discoman:
robroy:
discoman:
Surely, your on a wind up ■■ … If you are working for a company who are struggling to get work in and break even don’t be surprised if your job stops … after the 11 rest bang in the card. But you claim your paid 50 hours a week how many hours have you work thus far… no wonder your job is on a race to the bottom.Tell you what pal here’s what we’ll do.
Just leave me to worry about my job, you just look after your own.Since when did you have the right to veto a persons opinion on a job … the fact is it’s not a drivers problem to whether his company can maintain a decent profit margin … its small companies likes his that ruin it for other companies doing the right thing.
Now I’m totally confused, first I’m ‘‘On a wind up’’ now you’re saying virtually the same as me.
So basically you’re agreeing with me now then when I said it wasn’t his place to subsidise the rate for the job by waiting to book on unpaid.
Or am I way off here.
I was asking the OP if he was on a wind up. I fully agree with your sentiments … I forgot to quote him … mis communication here… if he wants to be a muppet and work for free good for him … but it is helping with the race to the bottom
^^^^^^^^
Ok fair enough, misunderstanding on my part…sorry I jumped. 
Yeh, I know it aint like me to do so.
robroy:
^^^^^^^^
Ok fair enough, misunderstanding on my part…sorry I jumped.
Yeh, I know it aint like me to do so.
It’s all good, I don’t do the job… but I love trucks … I will be retiring (43 now getting to old for my day job)… on my return to the UK … so I am really interested in doing part time driving to basically fund my restoration of a truck … I just can’t understand as too why a person would work for free unless they owned the company etc … as an employee if you are working for an out fit who are really on the limit like this guy claims … maybe it is time to move on to more secure employment.
discoman:
robroy:
^^^^^^^^
Ok fair enough, misunderstanding on my part…sorry I jumped.
Yeh, I know it aint like me to do so.It’s all good, I don’t do the job… but I love trucks … I will be retiring (43 now getting to old for my day job)… on my return to the UK … so I am really interested in doing part time driving to basically fund my restoration of a truck … I just can’t understand as too why a person would work for free unless they owned the company etc … as an employee if you are working for an out fit who are really on the limit like this guy claims … maybe it is time to move on to more secure employment.
And I’m not disagreeing with you, but we only have a snapshot of this particular day. We had a really tough time in 2009, I had to ask my drivers to take a 10% pay cut for 6 months and understandably there was a lot of grumbling, but they all stuck with me and it worked out well for all of us.
albion:
discoman:
robroy:
^^^^^^^^
Ok fair enough, misunderstanding on my part…sorry I jumped.
Yeh, I know it aint like me to do so.It’s all good, I don’t do the job… but I love trucks … I will be retiring (43 now getting to old for my day job)… on my return to the UK … so I am really interested in doing part time driving to basically fund my restoration of a truck … I just can’t understand as too why a person would work for free unless they owned the company etc … as an employee if you are working for an out fit who are really on the limit like this guy claims … maybe it is time to move on to more secure employment.
And I’m not disagreeing with you, but we only have a snapshot of this particular day. We had a really tough time in 2009, I had to ask my drivers to take a 10% pay cut for 6 months and understandably there was a lot of grumbling, but they all stuck with me and it worked out well for all of us.
No, that is completely different, I appreciate there are times when funds are hard to come by … Obviously, an engine could blow and cost 1000’s maybe 10’s of thousands … as a small operator, overheads can sometimes be higher than big logistics such as a DHL … what I do not compute is why would an operator expect a driver to wait 18 hours, and 7 unpaid just to make ends meet, surely that is not a good way of operations within a company.
It seems you had a loyal bunch and your a decent employer, and doubt you would give a driver a job asking him to wait unpaid … taking a 10% cut to ensuremthey remain employed makes sense. Maybe this guy is working along them lines.
Glad it’s worked out goodminnthe end for you.
Would you give a fork lift Driver a fiver? [emoji12]
Wheel Nut:
Would you give a fork lift Driver a fiver? [emoji12]
^^^^^^^
yep.no probs so long as the scenario dictates it.
it could be a fiver,sleeve of ciggies,a case of wine,beer,or whatevers fallen into my cab at the time.
forkies,eurocops,tyre fitters,basically anyone that goes over and above the call and makes it easy for me to get on with it if the end justifies the means,though obviously not being an hourly paid walla in a beancounter tesco/stobart job makes a difference as im usually making my own wages.
dieseldog999:
Wheel Nut:
Would you give a fork lift Driver a fiver? [emoji12]^^^^^^^
yep.no probs so long as the scenario dictates it.
it could be a fiver,sleeve of ciggies,a case of wine,beer,or whatevers fallen into my cab at the time.
forkies,eurocops,tyre fitters,basically anyone that goes over and above the call and makes it easy for me to get on with it if the end justifies the means,though obviously not being an hourly paid walla in a beancounter tesco/stobart job makes a difference as im usually making my own wages.
You’ve spoilt it already [emoji23]
Think we got to about 76 pages before the thread was locked last time