I’m a new driver and want to know if I’m right thinking you do an 11hr shift and for breaks it’s classified as a 13hr shift and a 13hr shift is classified as a 15hr. Is this correct?
Not quite…
Standard shift = 13hrs because a STANDARD daily rest is 11 hours (13 + 11 = 24)
a 15hr shift is when you take a REDUCED daily rest of 9 hours (15 + 9 = 24)
A shift includes ALL driving time, breaks, other work and POA.
More confusion for you :-
A shift and break are part of a 24 hour working day ( not the fixed 24 hr midnight to midnight )
If you start your shift at 0700 your working shift 24 hours finishes at 0700 the following day.
If your shift finishes at 2000 you have had a 13hr day you can have an 11hr daily rest 11 + 13 = 24 ( 0700 - 0700 ) OR you can have a reduced daily rest of 9hrs meaning your shift start time becomes 0500 and your 24hr starts from their.
If you start at 0700 and work till 2200 that’s a 15hr shift meaning you can only have a rest period of 9hrs, even if your boss tells you that you can start at 1000 the following day, it is still a 9hr daily rest
Grumpy Dad:
More confusion for you :-A shift and break are part of a 24 hour working day ( not the fixed 24 hr midnight to midnight )
If you start your shift at 0700 your working shift 24 hours finishes at 0700 the following day.
If your shift finishes at 2000 you have had a 13hr day you can have an 11hr daily rest 11 + 13 = 24 ( 0700 - 0700 ) OR you can have a reduced daily rest of 9hrs meaning your shift start time becomes 0500 and your 24hr starts from their.If you start at 0700 and work till 2200 that’s a 15hr shift meaning you can only have a rest period of 9hrs, even if your boss tells you that you can start at 1000 the following day, it is still a 9hr daily rest
That looks about right. Good quick guide. [emoji2]
Now explain about split breaks, split rest periods and ferry/train movements.
And the dispensation on Fridays.
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Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
More confusion for you :-A shift and break are part of a 24 hour working day ( not the fixed 24 hr midnight to midnight )
If you start your shift at 0700 your working shift 24 hours finishes at 0700 the following day.
If your shift finishes at 2000 you have had a 13hr day you can have an 11hr daily rest 11 + 13 = 24 ( 0700 - 0700 ) OR you can have a reduced daily rest of 9hrs meaning your shift start time becomes 0500 and your 24hr starts from their.If you start at 0700 and work till 2200 that’s a 15hr shift meaning you can only have a rest period of 9hrs, even if your boss tells you that you can start at 1000 the following day, it is still a 9hr daily rest
That looks about right. Good quick guide. [emoji2]
Now explain about split breaks, split rest periods and ferry/train movements.
And the dispensation on Fridays.
weekend reductions and payback, the 7th magic card, the working week and static week, the possibility of exceeding driving hours in one 24hr period though doing 2 separate shifts , country codes and region codes for Spain 
Oh… I thought we were keeping it simple because gauging by the question the guy is pretty new to all the rules and regs and baby steps and all that…
So we need to cover all the ins and outs do we?
1.2. Driving
‘Driving time’ is the duration of driving activity recorded either by the recording equipment or manually when the recording equipment is broken.Even a short period of driving under EU rules during any day by a driver will mean that they are in scope of the EU rules for the whole of that day and must comply with the daily driving, break and rest requirements; they will also have to comply with the weekly rest requirement and driving limit.
1.3. Breaks and driving limits
Breaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless they take a rest period. A break taken in this way must not be interrupted.A break
A break is any period during which a driver may not carry out any driving or any other work and which is used exclusively for recuperation. A break may be taken in a moving vehicle, provided no other work is undertaken.
Alternatively, a full 45 minute break can be replaced by one break of at least 15 minutes followed by another break of at least 30 minutes. These breaks must be distributed over the 4.5 hour period. Breaks of less than 15 minutes will not contribute towards a qualifying break, but neither will they be counted as duty or driving time. The EU rules will only allow a split-break pattern that shows the second period of break being at least 30 minutes,The above split-break pattern is illegal because the second break is less than 30 minutes.
The above split-break pattern is illegal because the second break is less than 30 minutes.
A driver ‘wipes the slate clean’ if they take a 45 minute break (or qualifying breaks totalling 45 minutes before or at the end of a 4.5 hour driving period. This means that the next 4.5 hour driving period begins with the completion of that qualifying break, and in assessing break requirements for the new 4.5 hour period, no reference is to be made to driving time accumulated before this point. For example:Daily driving limit
The maximum daily driving time is 9 hours;The maximum daily driving time can be increased to 10 hours twice in a fixed week;
Daily driving time
Daily driving time is either:the total accumulated driving time between the end of one daily rest period and the beginning of the following daily rest period
the total accumulated driving time between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period (or vice versa)
Note: All off road driving between rest periods will also count towards the daily driving limit where there is also driving on the public highway between those same rest periods.Where there is no driving on the public highway between rest periods then any off road driving is considered to be ‘other work’.Weekly driving limit
The maximum weekly driving limit is 56 hours, which applies to a fixed week.A fixed week
A fixed week starts at 00.00 on Monday and ends at 24.00 on the following Sunday.Total weekly hours = (4 x 9) + (2 x 10) = 56.
Two-weekly driving limit
The maximum driving time over any two-weekly period is 90 hours;1.4. Daily rest periods
A driver must take a daily rest period within each period of 24 hours after the end of the previous daily or weekly rest period. An 11 hour (or more) daily rest is called a regular daily rest period.A rest
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of their time.
Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest. This includes work where you are self-employed, work related to community service, non-emergency retained fire fighting, or training related to obtaining/retaining a Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) where the training is at the request or instigation of an employer. Driver CPC training can only be undertaken during rest periods where the driver is attending voluntarily and not at the request of the employer.Alternatively, a driver can split a regular daily rest period into two periods. The first period must be at least 3 hours of uninterrupted rest and can be taken at any time during the day. The second must be at least 9 hours of uninterrupted rest, giving a total minimum rest of 12 hours.
A driver may reduce their daily rest period to no less than 9 continuous hours, but this can be done no more than three times between any two weekly rest periods; no compensation for the reduction is required. A daily rest that is less than 11 hours but at least 9 hours long is called a reduced daily rest period.
When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities and is stationary.
Suitable sleeping facilities
We consider suitable sleeping facilities to be a bunk or other type of bed which is primarily designed for sleeping on. Sleeping on or across seats does not meet the requirement of suitable facilities. If a vehicle has no suitable sleeping facilities then other arrangements, for example guest house or hotel accommodation, should be used.
To summarise, a driver who begins work at 06.00 on day 1 must, by 06.00 on day 2 at the latest, have completed either:a regular daily rest period of at least 11 hours or
a split regular daily rest period of at least 12 hours or
if entitled a reduced daily rest period of at least 9 hours
Regular daily rest
A continuous period of at least 11 hours’ rest.
Split daily rest period
A regular rest taken in two separate periods – the first at least 3 hours, and the second at least 9 hours.
Reduced daily rest period
A continuous rest period of at least 9 hours but less than 11 hours.
Multi-manning
‘Multi-manning’ is the situation where, during each period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional, but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory. This allows for a vehicle to depart from its operating centre and collect a second driver along the way, providing that this is done within 1 hour of the first driver starting work.Where the above conditions are complied with then the multi-manning concession may be used – that is each driver must have a daily rest period of at least 9 consecutive hours but they may do so within the 30-hour period that starts at the end of the last daily or weekly rest period (rather than the normal 24 hour period).
If however the conditions cannot be complied with, then drivers sharing duties on a journey will individually be governed by single manning rules and will not be able to use the concession which allows daily rest to be taken in a 30 hour period.
Organising drivers’ duties in such a fashion enables a crew’s duties to be spread over 21 hours however where a driver utilises the multi-manning daily rest concession (of 9 hours rest in a 30 hour period) that rest period cannot be counted as a regular daily rest as it is of less than 11 hours duration. These rest periods therefore count towards the limit of 3 reduced rest periods between any 2 consecutive weekly rest periods.
Drivers engaged on multi-manning can however, if they choose, take either:
a split daily rest within the 30 hour period so long as it taken as the first period being at least 3 hours and the second period being at least 9 hours
a rest period of at least 11 hours in the 30 hour period
Both of these options are regular daily rest period and so would not count towards the limit of three reduced daily rest period between weekly rest periods.The maximum driving time for a two-man crew taking advantage of this concession is 20 hours before a daily rest is required (although only if both drivers are entitled to drive 10 hours).
Under multi-manning, the ‘second’ driver in a crew may not necessarily be the same driver for the duration of the first driver’s shift but could in principle be any number of drivers as long as the conditions are met. Whether these second drivers could claim the multi-manning concession in these circumstances would depend on their other duties.
On a multi-manning operation, 45 minutes of a period of availability will be considered to be a break, so long as the co-driver does no work.
Other than the daily rest concession detailed above drivers engaged in multi-manning are governed by the same rules that apply to single-manned vehicles.
Journeys involving ferry or train transport
Where a driver accompanies a vehicle that is being transported by ferry or train, the daily rest requirements are more flexible.A regular daily rest period, that is one of 11 hours duration or 12 hours if split, may be interrupted no more than twice, but the total interruption must not exceed 1 hour in total. This allows for a vehicle to be driven on to a ferry and off again at the end of the crossing. Where the rest period is interrupted in this way, the total accumulated rest period must still be at least 11 hours or 12 hours if split. A bunk or couchette must be available during the rest period.
Drivers who are engaged on multi-manning can also interrupt a rest period however they may only do so where the rest period in the 30 hour spreadover is a regular daily rest of at least 11 hours or 12 hours if it is a split daily rest.
Any rest that is interrupted must be completed within the 24 hour period (if single manned) or within the 30 hours period (if multi-manned). The 24 or 30 hour period commences at the point of starting duty following the end of a daily or weekly rest period.
It is also permitted to have one of the interruption periods falling in the 3 hour part of the split rest period and one interruption period falling in the 9 hour part of the split rest period or for both parts of the interruption period to fall within the 3 hour part of the split daily rest.
Being on call during a daily rest period
Drivers who are on call during any period of legally required rest must at all times be able to dispose of the rest time as they choose. This means that an employer cannot impose any limitations on drivers during such periods, for example requiring them to remain in or close to home or at another location. Drivers must be able to dispose of their free time as they choose (but this does not include undertaking any work where they are under the control of or are fulfilling an obligation to an employer). Being on call may only extend as far as a driver agreeing to answer a call during a rest period but only if the driver so chooses. On receiving a call to return to work drivers may only do so if they have completed the legally required amount of rest or if the work is deemed to be an emergency.1.5. Weekly rest periods
A driver must start a weekly rest period no later than at the end of six consecutive 24-hour periods from the end of the last weekly rest period.A regular weekly rest period is a period of at least 45 consecutive hours.
A weekly rest period
A weekly rest period is the weekly period during which drivers may freely dispose of their time. It may be either a ‘regular weekly rest period’ or a ‘reduced weekly rest period’.Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest. This includes work where you are self-employed, work related to community service, non-emergency* retained fire fighting, or training related to obtaining/retaining Driver CPC where the training is at the request or instigation of an employer. Driver CPC training can only be undertaken during rest periods where the driver is attending voluntarily.
*For work related to emergencies please go to Emergencies
Note: An actual working week starts at the end of a weekly rest period, and finishes when another weekly rest period is commenced, which may mean that weekly rest is taken in the middle of a fixed (Monday–Sunday) week. This is perfectly acceptable – the working week is not required to be aligned with the ‘fixed’ week defined in the rules, provided all the relevant limits are complied with.Alternatively, a driver can take a reduced weekly rest period of a minimum of 24 consecutive hours. If a reduction is taken, it must be compensated for by an equivalent period of rest taken in one block before the end of the third week following the week in question. The compensating rest must be attached to a period of rest of at least 9 hours – in effect either a weekly or a daily rest period.
For example, where a driver reduces a weekly rest period to 33 hours in week 1, they must compensate for this by attaching a 12-hour period of rest to another rest period of at least 9 hours before the end of week 4. This compensation cannot be taken in several smaller periods.
A regular weekly rest period
A regular weekly rest is a period of rest of at least 45 hours’ duration.
A reduced weekly rest period
A reduced weekly rest is a rest period of at least 24 but less than 45 hours’ duration.
In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:2 regular weekly rests or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest
Other weekly rests of any type may be taken in any 2 consecutive ‘fixed weeks’ in addition to this minimum requirement.
The following tables are examples of how a driver’s duties might be organised in compliance with the rules on weekly rest, which allow two reduced weekly rest periods to be taken consecutively. This complies with the rules because at least one regular and one reduced weekly rest period have been taken in two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks.A weekly rest period that falls in 2 weeks may be counted in either week but not in both. However, where such a rest period is of at least 69 hours in total and starts in one fixed week and ends in the next fixed week, it may be counted as 2 back-to-back weekly rests (eg a 45-hour weekly rest followed by 24 hours), provided that no more than 144 hours (6 x 24 hours) has elapsed since the end of the previous weekly rest period and start of the following weekly rest period.
Where reduced weekly rest periods are taken away from base, these may be taken in a vehicle, provided that it has suitable sleeping facilities and is stationary.
Suitable sleeping facilities - we consider suitable sleeping facilities to be a bunk or other type of bed which is primarily designed for sleeping on. Sleeping on or across seats does not meet the requirement of suitable facilities. If a vehicle has no suitable sleeping facilities then other arrangements, for example guest house or hotel accommodation, should be used.
Note: Operators who utilise a cyclical shift pattern should take care that their shift patterns allow for compliance with the rolling two-weekly requirements for weekly rest and compensation.
Being on call during a weekly rest period
Drivers who are on call during any period of legally required rest must at all times be able to dispose of the rest time as they choose. This means that an employer cannot impose any limitations on drivers during such periods, for example requiring them to remain in or close to home or at another location. Drivers must be able to dispose of their free time as they choose (but this does not include undertaking any work where they are under the control of or are fulfilling an obligation to an employer). Being on call may only extend as far as a driver agreeing to answer a call during a rest period but only if the driver so chooses. On receiving a call to return to work drivers may only do so if they have completed the legally required amount of rest or if the work is deemed to be an emergency.
Seriously though to the original poster, you might want to read through this > gov.uk/drivers-hours/eu-rules
sck04560:
I’m a new driver and want to know if I’m right thinking you do an 11hr shift and for breaks it’s classified as a 13hr shift and a 13hr shift is classified as a 15hr. Is this correct?
If it is bang on 13hr it is still a 13 hr shift.
13hr 1 minute is a 15hr shift, as you could only fit 10 hours 59 minutes into the 24hr period.
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Thanks for all the top advice. Wish it was as simple as just driving for a living!
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