is it only me? was chatting last night that there as not been all that much in the news about redcar or the other steelworks, ? considering its a massive blow for the area…
i used to live near round oak steel works in the midlands, and when Maggie closed that the whole area changed overnight, some guys never recovered from it. and the govt did the same thing as what cameron is doing and spent a fortune on trying to get guys to retrain in things that they had no interest in.
Conor:
xichrisxi:
Another trade farmed out to a cheaper that can do it cheaperNothing to do with that at all. There’s been a massive worldwide slump due to massive drop in demand from China. 5 years ago scrap dealers used to buy cars from auctions because their scrap value was worth more than they were being sold for due to the demand for steel from China. That ended a couple of years ago.
If the demand isn’t there nobody will buy it no matter how cheap you make it.
It’s more a case of allowing the Chinese to dump their production over capacity on us in the form of imports.Of stuff that we can make for ourselves and with better quality.Because the producers and middle men would rather put better paid UK labour on the dole in order to keep the Chinese steel works open to maintain cheap Chinese labour. 
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.
In a country worth the name of nation state domestic steel producers wouldn’t need to tender at all for domestic contracts especially against cheap slave labour,third rate quality,Asian producers.While if the story is true it would be interesting to find out exactly where the order was placed and why.
but was,nt George Osbourne in China speaking about buying chinese steel for the HS2 rail tracks whilst the news was breaking about Redcar…
dle1uk:
but was,nt George Osbourne in China speaking about buying chinese steel for the HS2 rail tracks whilst the news was breaking about Redcar…
The question in that case being why haven’t we got a nationalist/protectionist option on the ballot paper at election time and why are all the mainstream parties so keen on doing business,with a totalitarian,slave labour,corrupt communist run,regime at the expense of Brit workers.Bearing in mind that an Indian owned steel industry obviously creates a conflict of interest in the case of the obviously stronger Chinese/Indian trade etc relationship anyway. 
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.
Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
chaversdad:
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
Cleveland bridge done alot on the M74 extension a few years back, but I though they just constructed bridges. They don’t actually produce the steel do they?
chaversdad:
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
‘Already in place’ and ‘was constructed’ isn’t going to do much for ongoing domestic jobs v ‘are being built’ in China.Which still leaves the question does ‘constructed’ mean the steel was also supplied by domestic steel producers.While ‘built’ in China also probably means Chinese produced steel.In which case we know the questions regards quality let alone putting Brit steel workers out of work.
All the signs are Communist infiltration of Western governments and/or them running scared of Chinese militarism and resulting appeasement and profit taking by middle men at the expense of domestic workers.Which will just make China even stronger.
damoq:
chaversdad:
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
Cleveland bridge done alot on the M74 extension a few years back, but I though they just constructed bridges. They don’t actually produce the steel do they?
I meant that a UK company had been involved in the building of the bridge
chaversdad:
I meant that a UK company had been involved in the building of the bridge
The plan should be involved in every part of ‘making’ the bridge not putting together foreign made components made from foreign steel. 
chaversdad:
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
What’s happening to the old crossing when the new one is built? Is it staying up and they using it as a relief road or they knocking it down?
Be a shame if they’re knocking it down as its a historical landmark known the world over.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
chaversdad:
damoq:
I’m sure I read somewhere a while back that the Scottish government came in for some flack for sourcing the steel for the new Forth crossing from foreign countries. The said that when the tender was put out, not one UK supplier put in a bid so they had no option but to import it. Obviously these steel companies have no intention of staying in the UK if they aren’t interested in work when it comes their way.Not entirely true, the main bridge deck sections are being built in China and Spain but most of the steelwork thats already in place including all the beams that come from each shore out to the first piers was constructed at Cleveland Bridge in Darlington
What’s happening to the old crossing when the new one is built? Is it staying up and they using it as a relief road or they knocking it down?
Be a shame if they’re knocking it down as its a historical landmark known the world over.
transportscotland.gov.uk/pro … ry-project
They say they are keeping it as a public transport corridor, cycle route and pedestrian walkway.
Carryfast:
chaversdad:
I meant that a UK company had been involved in the building of the bridgeThe plan should be involved in every part of ‘making’ the bridge not putting together foreign made components made from foreign steel.
CF as you know from this corrupt big club masquerading as the EU we aren’t allowed to give our own industries work
It’s all got to go to tender
But it’s ironic that the French and especially the Germans are the masters of Nationalism when it comes to sourcing products that keep their countrymen in work
Roll on the referendum
Carryfast:
chaversdad:
I meant that a UK company had been involved in the building of the bridgeThe plan should be involved in every part of ‘making’ the bridge not putting together foreign made components made from foreign steel.
Whilst i agree with most of your points, and i have nothing but admiration for and agree with your nationalist viewpoint, people like us have dwindled to such numbers now as to be going the same way as the dodo.
The country is finished i’m afraid mate, they sold it and gave it away, traitors that is with the full support of a brainwashed ill educated electorate…and when i say ill educated, if you haven’t been taught/encouraged to think for yourself but instead to unthinkingly repeat mantra like the hymn sheet of the day (rewritten as and when required) then you are but a programmed unthinking citizen, the media continue the new ‘education’ long into adulthood.
Gazsa, i fear the referendum is a foregone conclusion, once that is done its all over…from that day i shall no longer take the slightest interest in politics, no point there will be none, only propaganda for the new order.
Juddian:
The country is finished i’m afraid mate, they sold it and gave it away, traitors that is with the full support of a brainwashed ill educated electorate…and when i say ill educated, if you haven’t been taught/encouraged to think for yourself but instead to unthinkingly repeat mantra like the hymn sheet of the day (rewritten as and when required) then you are but a programmed unthinking citizen, the media continue the new ‘education’ long into adulthood.Gazsa, i fear the referendum is a foregone conclusion, once that is done its all over…from that day i shall no longer take the slightest interest in politics, no point there will be none, only propaganda for the new order.
If there is one good thing that might result from the steel industry issue it’s that it might just spark the first bit of realisation among the union membership that they are being sold a lie in the form of Socialism that plays into the hands of the Cons exploitative agenda.IE the irony of seeing their jobs and living standards being stolen and destroyed by down trodden Chinese workers supposedly under the banner of the bs red flag.On that note Labour has an open goal ahead of it if it decides to make that radical shift from Socialism to Nationalism and protectionism.
Carryfast:
chaversdad:
I meant that a UK company had been involved in the building of the bridgeThe plan should be involved in every part of ‘making’ the bridge not putting together foreign made components made from foreign steel.
You mean like the cars and tractors that are ‘built in britain’
Don’t TATA own JLR?
So obviously they don’t need any steel whatsoever over here?
Pesky Injuns, as my old man would have said!
It seems obvious that British industry has got itself deep in the mire of globalism which means foreign ownership and/or massive importation of foreign material and component supplies.While the same issues are now applying in Australia with the government having removed the local content rules in manufactured goods.No surprise all this has taken place against a background of socialist diversion to dealing with the symptoms of de industrialisation and lost high paying jobs rather than the cause.Because dealing with the cause would mean ditching the Socialist ideology.As proven by the situation in Australia where the Socialists have colluded with the transfer of wealth creating manufacturing sectors outside the country,in direct opposition to Australian trade union calls for a nationalist protectionist policy.