Jimmy McNulty:
Do the [zb] jobs, get the experience, move to what you want when you have the experience. It’s only 12 months.
Don’t buy it.
The ‘experience’ in question generally isn’t transferable to the better jobs it only applies to the same crap jobs.The ‘experience’ word generally means a closed shop for the best jobs.
If you take the crap you’ll stay on it.
There are 30,000 HGV driving jobs in West Yorkshire.
I can do anything I want be it one hit trunks or European work, multi drop or ADR tanker work.
I had five full time jobs in 2021 and a week on the agency but I was never out of work.
Why you don’t you actually go and do a days driving work and shut the [zb] up about the fact you were asked to do a day’s warehouse work 200 years ago.
But it’s not you who’s moaning about being typecast with crap work and being knocked back by the experience word unless I’ve missed something regarding the OP’s ID.
Translates as yet another one of the winners in the ‘experience’ closed shop scam who doesn’t like to see the game being given away.
All moot in an industry which will mostly soon be dominated by the short haul distribution sector anyway.One hit trunk around 30 miles each way between the supermarket warehouse and the rail freight hub.
Jimmy McNulty:
If you take the crap you’ll stay on it.
At the moment I’m struggling to even get the crap!
Been there done that.7.5t multi drop, class 3 local building materials deliveries and driving a scaffold wagon all with a class 1.
The experience word suddenly then doesn’t matter and they are happy to pay class 1 rates to the agency.
Meanwhile younger drivers than me fast tracked onto international work probably in many cases by lying about their ‘experience’.Others knew the right people in the right place at the right time.
The moral is, don’t swallow the, start at the bottom being a guaranteed way to better work, narrative and be prepared to walk away from any agency that refuses to share out the decent work.
Jimmy McNulty:
Do the [zb] jobs, get the experience, move to what you want when you have the experience. It’s only 12 months.
Don’t buy it.
The ‘experience’ in question generally isn’t transferable to the better jobs it only applies to the same crap jobs.The ‘experience’ word generally means a closed shop for the best jobs.
If you take the crap you’ll stay on it.
There are 30,000 HGV driving jobs in West Yorkshire.
I can do anything I want be it one hit trunks or European work, multi drop or ADR tanker work.
I had five full time jobs in 2021 and a week on the agency but I was never out of work.
Why you don’t you actually go and do a days driving work and shut the [zb] up about the fact you were asked to do a day’s warehouse work 200 years ago.
Carryfast:
While the naive mugs that play by the rules stay lumbered with all the crap.
Yes, that seems fair comment. And the way it should be really. I mean, if I was a haulier in the 1980s looking for a driver to do Italy runs, I’d be looking for somebody with their wits around them ready to make up a complete crock of crap to get out of a tricky situation with the Gendarmerie.
The trouble is that you always lacked the one thing needed to do the continental work you craved- gumption.
Yep and the roads of Europe and Asia look like they were often littered with the wreckage of the result of taking on people who would have found it challenge to keep the old council Clydesdale on the road and out of the ditch.
While obviously just adds to the evidence if you believe the start at the bottom narrative and take the crap work you’ll stay on it because you’ll be typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
I’ve taken on a 21 year old lad and I’ve taken on men that moved from crap work to, as was invariably said, the best job they ever had. People get to do the fancy pants International work because I thought they would be a good driver. Yes they came recommended, but that wasn’t a guarantee of being taken on.
If in real life you are like you are on here CF, I’d have rather pushed the truck to Milan myself than taken you on.
Carryfast:
While the naive mugs that play by the rules stay lumbered with all the crap.
Yes, that seems fair comment. And the way it should be really. I mean, if I was a haulier in the 1980s looking for a driver to do Italy runs, I’d be looking for somebody with their wits around them ready to make up a complete crock of crap to get out of a tricky situation with the Gendarmerie.
The trouble is that you always lacked the one thing needed to do the continental work you craved- gumption.
Yep and the roads of Europe and Asia look like they were often littered with the wreckage of the result of taking on people who would have found it challenge to keep the old council Clydesdale on the road and out of the ditch.
While obviously just adds to the evidence if you believe the start at the bottom narrative and take the crap work you’ll stay on it because you’ll be typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
I’ve taken on a 21 year old lad and I’ve taken on men that moved from crap work to, as was invariably said, the best job they ever had. People get to do the fancy pants International work because I thought they would be a good driver. Yes they came recommended, but that wasn’t a guarantee of being taken on.
If in real life you are like you are on here CF, I’d have rather pushed the truck to Milan myself than taken you on.
Carryfast:
While the naive mugs that play by the rules stay lumbered with all the crap.
Yes, that seems fair comment. And the way it should be really. I mean, if I was a haulier in the 1980s looking for a driver to do Italy runs, I’d be looking for somebody with their wits around them ready to make up a complete crock of crap to get out of a tricky situation with the Gendarmerie.
The trouble is that you always lacked the one thing needed to do the continental work you craved- gumption.
Yep and the roads of Europe and Asia look like they were often littered with the wreckage of the result of taking on people who would have found it challenge to keep the old council Clydesdale on the road and out of the ditch.
While obviously just adds to the evidence if you believe the start at the bottom narrative and take the crap work you’ll stay on it because you’ll be typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
I’ve taken on a 21 year old lad and I’ve taken on men that moved from crap work to, as was invariably said, the best job they ever had. People get to do the fancy pants International work because I thought they would be a good driver. Yes they came recommended, but that wasn’t a guarantee of being taken on.
If in real life you are like you are on here CF, I’d have rather pushed the truck to Milan myself than taken you on.
Clydesdales were a marvellous machine. In a way…
Great maybe you can ‘recommend’ the OP so that the agencies will stop stitching him up with the experience word.
Harry Monk:
Yes, that seems fair comment. And the way it should be really. I mean, if I was a haulier in the 1980s looking for a driver to do Italy runs, I’d be looking for somebody with their wits around them ready to make up a complete crock of crap to get out of a tricky situation with the Gendarmerie.
The trouble is that you always lacked the one thing needed to do the continental work you craved- gumption.
Yep and the roads of Europe and Asia look like they were often littered with the wreckage of the result of taking on people who would have found it challenge to keep the old council Clydesdale on the road and out of the ditch.
While obviously just adds to the evidence if you believe the start at the bottom narrative and take the crap work you’ll stay on it because you’ll be typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
I’ve taken on a 21 year old lad and I’ve taken on men that moved from crap work to, as was invariably said, the best job they ever had. People get to do the fancy pants International work because I thought they would be a good driver. Yes they came recommended, but that wasn’t a guarantee of being taken on.
If in real life you are like you are on here CF, I’d have rather pushed the truck to Milan myself than taken you on.
Clydesdales were a marvellous machine. In a way…
Great maybe you can ‘recommend’ the OP so that the agencies will stop stitching him up with the experience word.
Anybody else see the irony of CF, the bloke who was given the arse from the industry over twenty years ago, waffling on about experience?
carlston49:
Most of the HGV Class 1 jobs advertised on indeed in the Glasgow area require experience. Usually at least 12 months, some more.
This would suggest that the area isn’t short of drivers.
The truth is there’s a disconnect in why ( most ) ‘drivers’ want to do the job, in the form of distance trunking type work etc, as opposed to the local distribution etc orientated model that too much of the industry now panders to.
Which in the real world translates as those drivers upgrade to class 1 as soon as possible with the intention/in the hope that it will get them where they want to be in the job.
But then get brought down to Earth by the reality that such work is increasingly over subscribed and as usual the ‘experience’ scam is how the employers deal with the issue of too many drivers looking for too little decent work and having to fill the jobs that few drivers want to do.
Upgrading to class 1 and finding that it doesn’t automatically mean a commensurate upgrade in the quality of jobs on offer is nothing new.
While the fact that even many 7.5t or 18t jobs are willing to pay agencies class 1 rates to provide them with drivers proves that the resulting ‘driver shortage’ has got nothing to do with the money.
Star down under.:
Anybody else see the irony of CF, the bloke who was given the arse from the industry over twenty years ago, waffling on about experience?
What I’m seeing is the irony of the same old winners in the ‘experience’ pecking order scam wanting to maintain their position, at the expense of the losers like the OP, by telling them to take all the crap and then whingeing when someone who’s been there and done it and really doesn’t need to care any more calls the industry out on it.
Bearing in mind it’s the OP who is rightly moaning about that situation obviously not me because for me it doesn’t matter any more.
All I’ve done is to advise him not to listen to anyone telling him to take the crap to get his ‘experience’ because it will generally count for nothing and just get him typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
Tell the agencies to shove their ‘experience’ requirements where the sun doesn’t shine and either share out the work fairly, or walk away.
Star down under.:
Anybody else see the irony of CF, the bloke who was given the arse from the industry over twenty years ago, waffling on about experience?
What I’m seeing is the irony of the same old winners in the ‘experience’ pecking order scam wanting to maintain their position, at the expense of the losers like the OP, by telling them to take all the crap and then whingeing when someone who’s been there and done it and really doesn’t need to care any more calls the industry out on it.
Bearing in mind it’s the OP who is rightly moaning about that situation obviously not me because for me it doesn’t matter any more.
All I’ve done is to advise him not to listen to anyone telling him to take the crap to get his ‘experience’ because it will generally count for nothing and just get him typecast as a mug with no ‘gumption’.
Tell the agencies to shove their ‘experience’ requirements where the sun doesn’t shine and either share out the work fairly, or walk away.
Good advice if Kenny wants to end up like you, a bitter, unemployed/unemployable failure.
I started doing the the dirty jobs, the crappy jobs and the jobs involving manual labour. I increased my career capital incrementally, to the point that I am now approached by people needing a reliable operator. I’ve been almost everywhere on this continent, except Tasmania.
Kenny, I worked my way to this position by cheerfully and diligently starting on ■■■■ trucks, doing ■■■■ work.
Kenny, take whatever is offered and give it 100% effort. If in a year your employer can’t or won’t offer you a place on the next rung, cast your net and move on. Rinse and repeat until you get to where you want to be.
My goal was the pinnacle of the industry, multi trailer fuel tankers for a multinational fuel company. On the way I got to do a wide variety of work from heavy haulage, a weekly three trailer delivery to two small towns’ supermarkets and pubs with three trailers to more mundane roles.
When you have earned a reputation for having a go, employers will be prepared to give you a start, even if they need to train you in the method and specialities of their operation.
If you get a start at the top, as Carryfast expected, there’s only one direction for you, down.
All the best with your endeavours, don’t let the lazy ■■■■■■■■ drag you down.
Jimmy McNulty:
Why you don’t you actually go and do a days driving work and shut the [zb] up about the fact you were asked to do a day’s warehouse work 200 years ago.
The only slight flaw I can see in your suggestion is the fact Carryfast would not be able to actually get a driving job due to being an unemployable lazy bum for the last 20 odd years!
Carryfast:
It’s nothing new but it will get worse as political pressure increasingly reduces the amount of the more attractive work assuming you mean distance full load/trailer swap trunking type work.Even better if it’s day work not nights.
My idea of attractive work is to leave Rugby at 0830 and spend all day doing three or four drops round Magna Park with most of the day spent sitting around on the internet. Like now for example.
That’s a shunting job Harry.It’s only a matter of time until the POA gets turned into ‘other duties as required to suit operational requirements’ and/or the ‘three or four’ drops gets turned into ten or more.The latter will obviously run into a ‘driver shortage’ situation in which case again no ‘experience’ issues for the OP and you’ll probably be enjoying your retirement by then.
And what type of other duties would I be expected to do while sitting around because my next booking time isn’t for an hour or so?
Carryfast:
While the naive mugs that play by the rules stay lumbered with all the crap.
Yes, that seems fair comment. And the way it should be really. I mean, if I was a haulier in the 1980s looking for a driver to do Italy runs, I’d be looking for somebody with their wits around them ready to make up a complete crock of crap to get out of a tricky situation with the Gendarmerie.
The trouble is that you always lacked the one thing needed to do the continental work you craved- gumption.
I’d probably add attitude, work ethic and a brain to that list as well Harry.
Carryfast:
That’s a shunting job Harry.It’s only a matter of time until the POA gets turned into ‘other duties as required to suit operational requirements’ and/or the ‘three or four’ drops gets turned into ten or more.The latter will obviously run into a ‘driver shortage’ situation in which case again no ‘experience’ issues for the OP and you’ll probably be enjoying your retirement by then.
And what type of other duties would I be expected to do while sitting around because my next booking time isn’t for an hour or so?
What!!! You mean to tell me they didn’t have you in the warehouse doing “warehouse duties” or outside in the yard being a “site labourer” while waiting■■? The job’s going to pot!
