10p for your thoughts

while enjoying a nice break and vegetating on the sofa over Christmas and reading through the posts on here, I was wondering why some of you guys actually get up in the morning and go to work driving trucks/van or what ever.
All I read is the wages are not good enough, we are expected to work to long, my boss doesn’t understand me ect ect ect.

now I have been in this game for 20 yrs and yes the wages could/should be better, but I knew what I was getting into when I started but I love the job for all its down sides, its the only job I enjoy getting up for and I have done quite a few through the years, from laying tarmac to driving plant and working the spanners(fully qualified 5 yrs apprenticeship)

so why do the guys that moan do it? is it that they came into this game thinking that they were going to get rich!! is it that they haven’t got the confidence or self belief that they can look for some thing else, or just stuck there and not able to see any light at the end of their ever lengthening tunnel, just a thought!!!

go on then what are your thought then■■? should be interesting :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

It’s the same in most industries not just drivers, in factories there are always those who know better than the people in charge and constantly complain about the way things are done, I imagine it’s the same in warehouses and offices to.

We can all find things that we would like to be better and it’s reasonable to discuss those things on forums like this, but it has to be said that there are some people who are only happy when they’re miserable :wink:

Personally I really enjoy what I do for a living. I’ve done a few different things over the course of my career.

My first ever job on leaving school was making cows - hated it because I wasn’t disciplined enough at 16 to get into a routine.

Went to college to do welding and fabrication - hated being stuck indoor all day in a stinking factory.

Joined 253 Provost Royal Military Police and through enjoyed that. Served 8 years before family commitments and work out a stop to it.

Back farming - enjoyed the tractor driving and variety of a busy Agri contractor

Spent more time in the workshop repairing stuff so got good with spanners. Ended up working for a local (at the time) Agri engineers.

Fell over a job driving tippers while the spannering was quiet. Loved the job the banter the variety the time on my own away from politics and bell ends

Stayed doing that for 6 years
Went on to blocks and didn’t enjoy that so much so went back on tippers and did a few nights out and really enjoyed that.

Tipper work dried up and I’m now on class 1 fridges with 5 - 6 nights out a week, a dedicated lorry that gets parked up when I am (keys are on my car keys). Lorry is filled kitted out by the firm the only thing I’ve added is an xbox 360 and personal kit (cooking bits and that). It’s a tidy motor and is done up quite nicely.

I don’t enjoy it as much as tippers tbh but it’s very decent wages and it’s clean easy work.

So on the whole I’m happy.

If you’re not happy at work why bother. You’re better off finding something else and leaving your job to someone who wants it rather than spending your life moaning and either kicking the shot outta the cat or treating your Mrs like ■■■■

I do it because I genuinely enjoy it, been in the industry one way or another since before I left school, loading, office & driving everything from Motorcycle’s to Class One.

Can be a pain at times but I’ve mellowed with age & if it takes me all day when it should have taken half a day - so be it, I’ve got my bunk, food & coffee with me so its very rarely a problem.

I just have a whinge at how inefficient some of these RDC’s can be, especially if you’ve only got a few pallets to come off, when I can turn up at some small businesses & they can turn around 26 pallets in minutes :unamused:

Tipper Tom:
My first ever job on leaving school was making cows - hated it because I wasn’t disciplined enough at 16 to get into a routine.

was a bit worried about that bit lol :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Tipper Tom:
My first ever job on leaving school was "making cows "- hated it because I wasn’t disciplined enough at 16 to get into a routine.

That sounds a bit messy ! Did you get a lot of ‘■■■■■’ on your Hands :laughing:
Hope you washed them afterwards ?

Wildfire beat me to it, while I was writing my post :unamused:

Still like the job after 30 years just do nights now
But thinking about trying to get a job going over the water only did a tiny bit about 25 years a go now family all grown up fancy have in a go at it again
Still must be a bit cab happy

Milking bit making. Although I have done that too

martinviking:

Tipper Tom:
My first ever job on leaving school was "making cows "- hated it because I wasn’t disciplined enough at 16 to get into a routine.

That sounds a bit messy ! Did you get a lot of ‘■■■■■’ on your Hands :laughing:
Hope you washed them afterwards ?

Wildfire beat me to it, while I was writing my post :unamused:

sorry martin :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: just had some horrible images for a while :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

wildfire:

martinviking:

Tipper Tom:
My first ever job on leaving school was "making cows "- hated it because I wasn’t disciplined enough at 16 to get into a routine.

That sounds a bit messy ! Did you get a lot of ‘■■■■■’ on your Hands :laughing:
Hope you washed them afterwards ?

Wildfire beat me to it, while I was writing my post :unamused:

sorry martin :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: just had some horrible images for a while :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing:

I think its in the nature of some just to moan, but other maybe they’re in the wrong job.
I’ve often found happier drivers work for smaller companies, these companies quite often don’t pay as much as the large logistics companies and they don’t have new trucks every few years. So why are they happier?

Maybe they feel that they are more than another number on the payroll?
They might feel appreciated for what they do.

Or they might just be a bit simple. :laughing:

Can I have my 10p now. :smiley:

There still are some good jobs out there, increasingly rare and they are never advertised, no need to, and those who have them sensibly keep them quiet, recruitment is usually by recommendation but such places are also open to walk ins if the applicant sells themselves properly, phoning up, emailing and looking through the job ads or jobcentre will rarely secure such a job.

The problem comes when people who have good jobs fail to appreciate them, look after them and protect them, if something is good the sensible person treats it well and does their level best to ensure they look after with a view to it lasting for ever.

It doesn’t take long here to compile a short list of people you’d consider employing and those you’d have already consigned to the bin.

Lorry driving in many ways hasn’t really changed all that much in the 38 years i’ve been at it, the best paid and conditioned jobs have always been well (not militantly) unionised, usually involve some sort of shift pattern including weekends and bank hols and early starts or late finishes, and the more skilled or specialised (or expensive when you get it wrong) the job the better the pay, not always but thats usually how it works.

A big problem in our industry is ■■■■ poor transport management, the old school who came up through the ranks and knew the other side of the job have all but disappeared, this new breed don’t know good staff from bad staff, and fail miserably to maintain good common sense discipline where needed, sometimes end up bullying or putting on good staff who do things right and leave the aggressive and/or lazy troublemakers to do their own parasitic thing.

You can have a good workforce, but you only need a tiny minority of half wit troublemakers and they can poison the entire barrel, i’m sure we all know those whom if you paid 'em a grand a week to lie in bed would still moan about it, they are no use to man or beast.

Just one thing about unions, a good steward wears two hats, one he wears to do his prime task of looking after the members interests.
But the good steward should also be preapared to put his NCO’s hat on too, the one he wears to keep discipline and stop idiots ruining the job for everyone.
A company that treats its employees well deserves to make a profit and stay in business, its in everyone’s interests, so when the usual suspects take the ■■■■ throwing sickies and shirking and cause costly damage then the good steward nips it in the bud, a good company and its good workers cannot afford to carry wastes of space any more.

Are there any bad jobs in haulage? I don’t think there are tbh.

There are companies I wouldn’t work for and drivers I wouldn’t work with for more than a few hours (once the novelty of working with a ■■■■ wears off)

But really the job is the same regardless if you’re delivering diamonds or chicken ■■■■. In so much as the job is what you make it.

If you approach everything with a oh FFS attitude you’ll end up having a ■■■■ of a day. Do that all week and it’s a ■■■■ week which turns into a ■■■■ month and you end up hating the world.

Approach the same situation with a positive get ■■■■ done attitude and you’ll end up enjoying your day and your job.

If it’s icers and ■■■■■■■ down skin’s waterproof and the lorry has a heater. I’ll be warm and dry tomorrow.

If you’re ■■■■ bound and pushed all to hell. You’ll park up in a while and there’s showers.

There’s no need to be a miserable ■■■■ there’s plenty people worse off and smiling

Ive had loads of different jobs in my time, some good some bad, not because of the hours or pay, just the way they were run or what they expected out of you. Some places looked after you very well while others you could never please, the type that think they are doing you a favour by giving you a job.
One thing has remained constant, there will always be someone not happy with the job, and are not afraid to let everyone know, except the boss, how crap the place is. Oddly enough they tend to stay with the same company for years.
As for unions & shop stewarts, well I’ve yet to come across one that didn’t look after himself & his mates first, workforce second. From ones in the engineering factory, vickers in Newcastle in the 70s, right up to ASDA in 2005, they were happy to take your problem to the management, as long as there was something in it for them, otherwise forget it.

We all know what the jobs like if you don’t like what the money is and what you have to do for this money don’t do it
It’s easy

I look to the Haulage Industry as my second career. I started out - like tipper tom in making, sorry Milking cows, and driving tractors. I spent my own money and got myself college trained, and qualified, with a HND in Agriculture. I did it for 19 years, but there came a point when I needed a change. Id loaded trucks by the hundred, so as there were many transferable skills - I thought why not.

Have I regretted it? NO.
Do I love the Job? YES.

Of course the money could be better, we all know it but change is not forthcoming. Do i enjoy doing the aspect of Haulage that I do? Yes. Being on the books of a firm in Bulk tipping, I get to visit farms all the time. I visit farms where Iv worked, and loaded from farmers Iv worked for. Do I like my present employer? Yes. I know Ill probably get slated, but they do all I ask. The money goes into the bank without fail. They have given me time off after my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer. The drivers I share my work with are good to get on with, and we have a laugh. My boss? well hes good at some things - He paid for the Christmas party, the kit is up to scratch, we have started getting a small say in the business, and he says it how it is - which is sometimes a bad thing. That said Iv never had a problem with him.

Is it the best job Iv ever had? No. I worked for a very nice family, on their farm, until Foot and Mouth put pay to that. This job comes a very close second to the above, and that only down to the less money ( paid Hourly) and the fact that I had a fully paid for house ( less electric and Gas) is it so.

I got attracted to the job as a kid going with my Dad in the 60s when the job was much different. Later on I had a couple of older mates that I used to go off with for a week at a time, they showed me all the err…“sights” :wink: on nights out in London as a 16yr old where I got my eyes opened to things.
I eventually got my Class 1 in 79, running through London as green as grass pre M25 and Sat nav days, I loved it.
Became an owner driver in 82, eventually owning about 6 motors, it was a challenge but I still loved it, went bust 10yrs later, lost everything including my home, not entirely my own fault, so I became less fond of things obviously.
Worked for a firm in Essex based at home in the North, and for the Dutch and Belgians up to around 2008/9. I was on good money, and was still if not happy, content, but I noticed a gradual decline over those years in attitudes towards us from the UK general public, not only on the road but generally, illustrated by most designated parks being closed as we were not wanted after we had served our purpose, forcing us into non facility parking, appalling attitudes in RDCs, a lack of discretion from Police and VOSA towards us, pedantic over- regulation, but more alarmingly a lack of standards and professionalism among truck drivers towards each other, and a vast increase in having to deal with knob heads on a daily basis :smiling_imp:
For the last 4yrs I have worked for a large firm with a branch at home doing UK only,… for less pay and n/out money that I was on 10yrs ago, a firm where the owners look upon their drivers as a necessary evil rather than an asset, and expect a first class service for a second class rate of pay, I just go at my own pace, do not teararse about like some of the others do, but still manage to get through the same workload as them because of my experience, it is now just a job to me nothing more nothing less where nothing is improving.
The reason I have not moved is that I cannot see any point in taking a sidestep as most firms in my area are much the same. The out-based Euro job working for the foreigners is no good anymore, and I reckon at 56 I am too old to change careers,… I know nothing else anyway.
So I will just wait until something better does finally come up, or win the lottery, or take part in a well planned bank robbery :laughing: ,but in the meantime keep coming on here for a good moan :laughing:
As for the usual answer of “if you don’t like it get out for somebody who does” this usually comes from those that have only done the job for 5mins that never knew it when it WAS good. :bulb:

ROBROY…now i have a brilliant idea you may be interested in, you see, being in the know, i know of a mail train that runs through buckinghamshire, and i have a mate who knows about train signals, i`ll tell ya later about my plan, dont want too many people to know about it…nudge nudge…wink wink.

Anyway, this industry has its ups and downs, and for me personally, i think i worked in it at the best time. It was when the bosses were in fact ex owner drivers, so therefore knew about the job, and so did the boys in the office, who could route plan, and the jobs were always within your grasp of a a days work. We were treated with a lot more respect than we are today, we were made to feel important, which should happen today, but we are just a number. The equipment is far superior than what it used to be, but the standards have changed the larger the companies become. Drivers are fighting back, often to their own detriment, but i could always walk from one job to another, and mostly for the better. Drivers were a lot more friendly, but i guess a certain amount of trust was involved ( drivers often asked keep an eye on my truck drive and walked away without locking it, a thing of the past. I notice how the east europeans ( i use them because there are more of them ) are more friendlier to each other, than the brits are to their own, only talking when we have to, or when asked a question, this is not of my own doing, as i am a chatty type, the turks will always invite another to eat with them, i find the germans are similar to us, but the dutch are more friendly. Looking back through my career, i can honestly say that i looked forward to going to work, i was pleased to be driving for my company, and was treated a lot better than today, with all the mod cons, mobile phones, trackers, cameras ( speed and in cab ) parking permits, etc etc, i still preferred my time of years gone by.

I worked as an operations manager with a major security firm for 5 years covering the whole of Scotland and dealt with a load of whingers who didn’t give a toss about the job and it got to the stage where I dreaded getting up in the morning and going into work. Id wanted to be a trucker since I was little and when the chance came around I jumped at it and havent looked back, that was coming up for 6 years ago and I can honestly say that there hasnt been a day where Ive woken up and thought " oh god Ive to go in here today". Sure the money could be better but Ive actually turned down better paying jobs because the boss treats you like a human being and not just a number, he also gave me a chance when Id only just passed my test and nobody else would entertain me.....the office staff leave you alone as long as youre doing your job and you`re never rushed off your feet.

Years ago you’ll find only people who really loved driving for all its faults etc took it up.

All the contradictions in rules and increasingly complexity of them along with heavier fines for some stupid things and over the top H&S regulations.

That and the ooh I can do that jump on the band wagon school teacher ,builder , taxi driver, even service man with the odd weekend off wanna few shillings extra have stuffed the job. There would be up roar if I tried to do someone else’s job …