Hello guys,
Could someone explain to me, how the 10 hours rule works on nights. I worked on Friday night between 15:45 - 2:45.
Obviously that is 10h15. Does that mean I’m going to get an infringement?
Thanks
No, it means you’ve commited a WTD offence, akin to murder, and should be hung, drawn and quartered. Unless of course your company has an opt-out agreement. Even if they don’t, nobody is going to be any the wiser.
I wouldn’t worry yourself about it!
Chris1207:
No, it means you’ve commited a WTD offence, akin to murder, and should be hung, drawn and quartered. Unless of course your company has an opt-out agreement. Even if they don’t, nobody is going to be any the wiser.I wouldn’t worry yourself about it!
Errr well he hasn’t worked 10 and quarter hours has he when you deduct wtd breaks and tacho breaks another one who clearly don’t know 
tango boy:
Chris1207:
No, it means you’ve commited a WTD offence, akin to murder, and should be hung, drawn and quartered. Unless of course your company has an opt-out agreement. Even if they don’t, nobody is going to be any the wiser.I wouldn’t worry yourself about it!
Errr well he hasn’t worked 10 and quarter hours has he when you deduct wtd breaks and tacho breaks another one who clearly don’t know
Errrr… well yes he has, 11 hours minus a 45 min break is 10:15, as the OP himself posted. Another one who clearly don’t know…
Chris1207:
tango boy:
Chris1207:
No, it means you’ve commited a WTD offence, akin to murder, and should be hung, drawn and quartered. Unless of course your company has an opt-out agreement. Even if they don’t, nobody is going to be any the wiser.I wouldn’t worry yourself about it!
Errr well he hasn’t worked 10 and quarter hours has he when you deduct wtd breaks and tacho breaks another one who clearly don’t know
Errrr… well yes he has, 11 hours minus a 45 min break is 10:15, as the OP himself posted. Another one who clearly don’t know…
Sorry carol 
Now, which letter would you like?
Whenever you (in this case mainly the Operator) is given what is in reality an exemption from committing an offence- they should take it. In other words sign up to the opt out and set your analysis system to ignore the WTD Night Time infringement.
Chris1207:
tango boy:
Chris1207:
No, it means you’ve commited a WTD offence, akin to murder, and should be hung, drawn and quartered. Unless of course your company has an opt-out agreement. Even if they don’t, nobody is going to be any the wiser.I wouldn’t worry yourself about it!
Errr well he hasn’t worked 10 and quarter hours has he when you deduct wtd breaks and tacho breaks another one who clearly don’t know
Errrr… well yes he has, 11 hours minus a 45 min break is 10:15, as the OP himself posted. Another one who clearly don’t know…
Hang on ladies, put yer handbags away. Firstly the op didn’t mention breaks, a 45 was assumed, could’ve been longer! Also I very much doubt that the op stuck his card in at 15.45 and immediately shot off into the wild blue yonder. No mention of other work has been made at all. From the op we simply do not have enough information to give a definitive answer. If I was a gambling man I’d happily gamble Dipper Dave’s entire collection of rubber wear that despite doing an 11 hour shift the op came nowhere near exceeding 10 hours working time.
Can’t agree Maigret, all depends how you are paid, if lucky enough to have the 10 hour rule still in place stick to it.
However a word of caution, that doesn’t mean use it flagrantly to be as awkward as sin and not help out the company (and customer, who after all pay all our wages) now and again when the crap hits the fan…or as some i could mention will find that the 10 hour is cajolled/bulllied/conned/forced/threatened/justifiably taken away.
My old company wanted to do away with the 10 hour rule but we kind of met them half way and had a 12 hour rule for nights instead but that’s all inclusive so doesn’t matter how much work/poa/driving/breaks was in there it was a 12 hour shift max.
The illusion that is the WTD…
What’s the point of a ruling if anyone can just opt out?
A hasty, ill concieved piece of knee jerk legislation. Cooked up by bureaucrats who’s only experience of nights is getting chauffeured home in a limo after a night out on the sauce.
Couple this to the farce that is POA and you’ve got a ‘full on’ Tommy Cooper magic routine.
just like that
Have the authorities ever done a check on night working hours 
If they have then has any company or driver ever been prosecuted
I suspect the answer is no to both as the authorities do not have any set sanctions for breaches and do not seem interested in WTD infringements
Companies themselves can issue internal infringements but if the company is in control of the shifts then they aint going to be sanctioning themselves 
citromvili:
Hello guys,Could someone explain to me, how the 10 hours rule works on nights. I worked on Friday night between 15:45 - 2:45.
Obviously that is 10h15. Does that mean I’m going to get an infringement?Thanks
You need to check if there is a workplace agreement in force to opt out of the 10hr night restriction. Most places have one in force. You won’t get an infringement on your tacho and VOSA aren’t going to know if there is a workplace agreement in force and its not their job to police the WTD so they don’t. Its just another farcical part of the working time directive. Don’t worry unless you want something you can use as a reason to keep your hours down on a night.
Don’t you have to work across 00.00-04:00 for it to be counted as “nights” rather than “lates”?
Winseer:
Don’t you have to work across 00.00-04:00 for it to be counted as “nights” rather than “lates”?
Yes. If a day driver starts at 03:59 or a day driver finishes at 00:01 he’s classed as a night worker for the WTD. That’s why those who start early doors need to be careful. They may consider they’re day drivers but if they’re starting at 03:00, say if they’ve nighted out and want home early Friday afternoon or Saturday morning then they come under night rules and the 10hr limit. I bet there are a load who have come a cropper from that but as is pointed out many times, nobody seems to be policing it.