ROG:
mutley:
Well I’ve got a day off on friday… to go on a speed awareness course, got flashed doing 36 in a 30, still cost me £60but I get to keep a clean licence
Were you AWARE that you were doing 36 in a 30 before getting flashed ?
Not as aware as i should of been, had the father in law in the car with me and was getting my ear bent
If its interesting all the better David, still don’t fancy sitting in a classroom all morning though, could count as practice for the cpc 
mutley:
had the father in law in the car with me and was getting my ear bent
Blame the wife 
zippy!:
Pretty sure as stated above its 10% + 2 not 3.Doubt your friend will get off with a loophole like that, imagine standing in front of the magistrates and saying, yeah I was doing 46 in a 40 but…
You have admitted speeding!
Think there was a website that tries to help peeps like this, called pepipoo or something? Best of luck.
But what If he said ‘Sorry your honour my speedo said I was doing 40mph and that is the only tool I have with which to judge my speed?’
renaultman:
But what If he said ‘Sorry your honour my speedo said I was doing 40mph and that is the only tool I have with which to judge my speed?’
Don’t know for sure although I think it’s an absolute liabilty offence:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_offences
“The prosecution only needs to show that the accused performed the prohibited act”
Steve-o:
I thought it was 10% +2mph?
correct and it only applys to the speed gun which is held by the officer. With the other stuff the police use like speed cameras etc they can do you for being 1mph over and so on.
ROG:
Why should someone who DELIBERATELY broke the law not pay for what they did ■■?
because courtrooms are fun.
sometimes.
limeyphil:
the reason for the debate ROG, is because a mate of mine has had a ticket, and we could do with finding some sort of defence.
there’s no point pleading guilty, if there is a good chance that plod have not kept within the guidlines/rules.
the fact is, a speed limit has probably been broken, but it dosn’t mean we can’t debate on a way out of it.
also the debate could help someone on here out of a sticky situation.
next time it could be you.
They are guidelines thats it, its black and white in terms of the law, going over the speed limit commiting an offence, so won’t work as a defence.
Not every force follows the ACPO guidelines its up to the chief of an area to decide what he wants to do. He could tell his officers to be really strict do anyone doing 2mph over the speed limit in his area or on certain roads. Same with the likes of dope, getting caught with some dope in some areas espec urban areas nothing is going to happen, get caught in some rural areas even with a small amount going to be arrested and charged with it.
Only way guidelines can help really is if you have totted up to 12 points and looking at a driving ban could put it to the judge its unfair looking at a ban when the guidelines state in normal circumstances shouldn’t be procesuted under the ACPO, in that case it prob help in keeping your licence.
North Yorks do 10% + 2 but I think it depends on the force concerned - I think West Yorks just do 10%
Personally, I would like to see a review of the fines /points for each speed limit offence with the lower limts having more points/fines than the higher limits.
Limits are set lower in areas where there is more danger so they should command a harsher penalty
20 = 4 points + £100 fine
30 = 4 points + £90 fine
40 = 3 points + £80 fine
50 = 3 points + £70 fine
60 = 2 points + £60 fine
70 = 2 points + £50 fine
I would also add that any limit exceeded by 50% or more would be a matter for the courts
As for any National ‘tolerance’ before prosecuting, that should be up to the Govt & Courts to decide.
Also, generally speaking, less tolerance is given for any traffic offence to vocational drivers, as they are expected to know better.
ROG:
Personally, I would like to see a review of the fines /points for each speed limit offence with the lower limts having more points/fines than the higher limits.Limits are set lower in areas where there is more danger so they should command a harsher penalty
20 = 4 points + £100 fine
30 = 4 points + £90 fine
40 = 3 points + £80 fine
50 = 3 points + £70 fine
60 = 2 points + £60 fine
70 = 2 points + £50 fineI would also add that any limit exceeded by 50% or more would be a matter for the courts
As for any National ‘tolerance’ before prosecuting, that should be up to the Govt & Courts to decide.
How about we have “variable” speed limits according to the conditions at the time? They can do it on the M42!
30mph past a school in bad weather at 9.00 am is legal but possibly dangerous, 40 past the same school at 3 in the morning is illegal… one gets points, the other doesn’t!!
It’s 10% + 2mph…but it all depends what the relevant Scamera / Police Force adopt as their policy.
Some places do not adopt the ACPO guidelines whilst others do…if you can find it stated that the relevant authority states that they follow the guidelines and you have been issued with a FP or Summons in contravention of that, you must raise merry hell about it and try to get them to drop before it ever enters a courtroom…as the Magistrate will not recognise the failure of the Scamera’s/Old Bill to follow their own policy as a defence in law.
Of course, if you can prove that the actual speed limit was incorrect…surprising how many NIP’s are issued with incorrect locations, or how speed limits are enforced from the wrong place…