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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Pete S » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:24 pm

BishBashBosh and stu675 have stopped me having to write an epistle! It beggars belief that someone with evidently little experience or knowledge should come on here and make such sweeping statements.

I come from a background of teaching car to artic (indeed, quite often not even car!) from the early seventies. So, until 1997, it was common practice and few schools ran a "Class 3" now known as CAT C. Some bright spark thought it would be a could plan to make everyone do 2 courses and take 2 tests and that's how we ended up with staged training. Personally, I always considered that to be a total waste of time. (IF there had been a requirement to demonstrate 200 hours of CAT C driving, then there might just have been a tiny scrap of sense. But we all know that wasn't the case and folks were regularly passing CE a month after C).

The driving test has softened almost beyond belief. In the past, we had a forward steer exercise (on the reversing pad), a much bigger reversing area (same exercise - but bigger), a gearchanging exercise (a common cause of test fail), a braking exercise, a "proper" downhill start. And, of course, no power steering. Sometimes the luxury of syncro gearbox but not always. Go back to the early seventies, we didn't always have air brakes! The task for a trainee now is so easy compared to 50 years ago. And that's not a bad thing. But it's baffling that anyone should have an issue with the course and test. Yes, there's a bit more traffic. O dear! The trailers now HAVE to be enclosed. I used a 40' box consistently for many years. And there's a bit of a load. A whole 8 tonnes - - on a vehicle probably capable of dragging 25 tonnes about. So it's virtually irrelevant. All this contributes to the fact that weeks of training are not normally required and it's perfectly possible for the average driver with reasonable aptitude to pass the test on around 20 hours - having got the reverse and upcoupling out of the way first.

My success rate for B to CE is second to none. Maybe that's down to close on 50 years practice and a bit of knowledge as well. Our friend has demonstrated in his post that not all instructors are capable of working to the same high standards. Pity.

The caveat: CE is not for everyone. For some, the very thought of it strikes panic. Rather than criticize these people, let them take the alternative which is C. If a candidate starts a B to CE course and their (properly qualified, trained and experienced) instructor recommends a move to C, the candidate does well to listen and take that on board. Over the years, I've had this a handful of times. Sometimes the candidate will return a year or two later to upgrade their licence. For others, C is enough. And that's totally fine in my book.

In the meantime folks, take care who you listen to on the forum!! Some of us have been here a lot of years and have an idea of what it's all about!

Pete S :lol: :lol:
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Noremac » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:34 am

As regards car to C+E, if every truck driver going forward takes this route, there will obviously be excess entitlement out on the roads. This is because of the volume of rigids being used commercially nationwide. Considering it takes nearly double the training time to achieve C+E as opposed to just C, it also seems that there will be excess cost and time spent training truck drivers to C+E level.

A C+E pass will also have a natural inclination to wish to drive to maximum entitlement. If every truck driver is qualified to C+E level, obviously there will be some that will be disappointed.

As the last acquired rights 7.5 tonne licence holders are now in their forties, the multitude driving this category will gradually have to be replaced, so it could end up candidates are getting C+E to end up driving a 7.5 tonne vehicle. More likely candidates with C+E will decide it is either maximum entitlement driving or nothing, so they may exit the industry with a fully fledged and unused C+E licence.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Trance185 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:51 pm

BishBashBosh wrote:Training provider here, averaging 15-20 driving tests per week, with around half being B to CE. With the greatest of respect..


So your @ the training centre for say 30 mins before waiting to go in then the new cut down tests are an hour so you spend a minimum of 30 hours a week at the test centre?...and you still find time to fully train them from B...

I'm not saying I'm a great instructor but I am realistic and truthful the current narrative is I can take you from car to class 1 in 20 hours and it's [zb]. It isn't safe

I forgot all you guys have been doing this for 50 years and have made a pacts with the god of driving for a 99.9% pass rate.

The 300 people I am referring to are from a well known delivery/warehouse company that receive money towards further training/education....those in the know have already twigged who it is.
Yes 27 people passed their class C+E on the first attempt with previously only driven a class B with 20 hours in C+E and 10 hours in C.

I received a letter last week stating due to the increased profits we have had since the rules changed I'm getting a bonus at the start of the new financial year....wtf
Not got anything to do with my pass rate its simply because this industry has changed alot over the last couple of years. We are now used car salesmen (promising, what can't be delivered)

The author of the post has been made to feel like a failure because he believes the [zb] he's heard on here, from people milking the golden cow and getting fat from it.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby BishBashBosh » Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:30 pm

Trance185 wrote:
BishBashBosh wrote:Training provider here, averaging 15-20 driving tests per week, with around half being B to CE. With the greatest of respect..


So your @ the training centre for say 30 mins before waiting to go in then the new cut down tests are an hour so you spend a minimum of 30 hours a week at the test centre?...and you still find time to fully train them from B...


Training provider - I am speaking about the school as a whole, not just myself.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Pete S » Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:46 pm

have made a pacts with the god of driving for a 99.9% pass rate.


Not aware that I ever claimed that! Prior to my retirement a couple of years ago, I was running iro 90%. Anyone with experience in this industry will know that 90% is exceptional - so I feel justified in saying I know what I'm talking about. Very occasionally, I'll cover retest training; 100% pass rate over the last year or so.

people milking the golden cow and getting fat from it.


Maybe tell me who. The fact is that most fleets have had huge investment in a predominantly artic fleet. And that puts a dent in anyone's profitability.

We are now used car salesmen (promising, what can't be delivered)


What a statement/attitude! If you really believe that, please leave the industry as a matter of urgency and find something you're good at. Leave it to those who actually know and understand the task in hand and can produce results. You should change your statement to "I", not "we".

It isn't safe


B to CE course, run iro 20 hours + reverse + uncouple etc is perfectly safe and very successful. IF DELIVERED PROPERLY by an expert trainer.

I wish you joy in your new career. In the meantime, stop decrying the professional efforts of real instructors.

Pete :lol: :lol:
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Trance185 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:47 pm

Quentin "2nd coming of the messiah" has spoken!

We're at 64% compared to your 68% and doing it out of statistically the hardest test centre.... I can hear the messiah speaking...your right for once!
It doesn't matter if you can drive safely but the wiggle room for flukes.

Tests around the mean streets of Watnall, Come to a real city where your students melt.

Can't wait until the new financial figures come out... I'll show you who's getting fat from the golden cow.

So14 hasn't got a 2nd time 100% pass rate for C+ (the literal cream of the crop) but you have...ok Pete, I know your getting on in life but please take them rose tinted glasses off.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Pete S » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:08 pm

Haha! You clearly dont know me at all. I spent some 20+ years testing on the mean streets of Watnall. And nearly as long in Sheffield. So dont talk to me about training in cities.

The fact that I opened the very first private driving test centre in the UK during 2008 meant that we ended up testing in a much more favourable area.

BTW, no rose tinted glasses here.

Pete S :lol: :lol:
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Trkste » Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:22 pm

I also used Chevron and they were terrible!! Like the OP I also had to complain about the first instructor I had and get a new one. Don’t waste your money with them.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Pete S » Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:52 pm

I also used Chevron and they were terrible!! Like the OP I also had to complain about the first instructor I had and get a new one. Don’t waste your money with them.


As pointed out in another thread, major staff changes have taken place so that top quality trucks are matched with staff of the same calibre.

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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Blacov89 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:31 am

Hi everybody. I didn't want to start a new thread but my situation is pretty similar. I have made a comeback at getting hgv licence since I have tried unsuccessfully getting class2 some 8years ago.

I have failed my class1 test in some bizarre circumstances. I drove a regular size artic with tri axle box trailer.
I have been give a serious fault for straddling(splitting lanes) where examiner felt there was no need for that. I must add these were the places where I have never been before so I decided to play it safe and took both lanes. Especially one right turn where 2 lanes open up to 3 lanes shortly before traffic lights and the right turn lane is fairly short and narrowish and the turn itself rather tight with street furniture restricting the width. How on earth is this a serious fault? I am pretty sure that it should be a minor at the most. I was led to believe that a serious fault must be something potentially dangerous.

My confidence is destroyed, I have booked a retest but I question my decision ever since I've failed. This is extremely stressful situation for me now. What is the point of forking out a lot of money for retest where you can fail because you drive defensively. I have also been marked down on a few occasions for speed progress and hesitation. In my opinion it was slightly exaggerated as driving in London during school traffic with plenty of people and kids walking around residential streets justify to drop down the speed slightly and be prepared for anything.

My instructor was very surprised that I got a serious for such thing too and frankly couldn't agree with the result.
I am not sure if I made a good decision. It cost me already best part of 5k and the stress is killing me now. I was pretty confident if I put on a good drive I will pass, in fact I thought I passed as I pulled up back at the test centre. Apart from serious fault nothing else was explained to me and I have had a couple of minors, around 8-9.

Is this normal practice? I am just trying to find strength to continue but it not easy. Especially knowing that getting a job as new pass is very difficult and getting qualified costs a lot of money and retests are difficult to get a date and they cost £400+
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Hussar » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:57 pm

Blacov89 wrote: I have been give a serious fault for straddling(splitting lanes) where examiner felt there was no need for that.

If the examiner felt there was no need to split the lanes then this would be a valid fail, they are looking for a level of competence and skill way above that of a car driver. Why didn’t your instructor/school take you to this junction?

was led to believe that a serious fault must be something potentially dangerous.

No, it can be just an habitual fault such as only using one mirror each time an observation is required.

My instructor was very surprised that I got a serious for such thing too and frankly couldn't agree with the result.

Take your instructor with you next time?

Apart from serious fault nothing else was explained to me and I have had a couple of minors, around 8-9
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8-9 driving faults is quite a lot, your only allowed 12 max. On a fail only dangerous or serious faults are explained, if it’s a pass the examiner will highlight a couple of driving faults to help you.
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby trevorking1964 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:22 pm

To be fair, if I'm approaching a junction that I don't know and I'm unsure if I've got enough room, I'll take it all as well. Better to be safe than sorry.
Day to day driving isn't ya test though..
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Re: Failed my Class 1 test today • Unsure how to proceed now

Postby Blacov89 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:25 am

I agree this could be classed a minor fault but again I have no way of knowing every road. The examiner mentioned two occasions where he felt it was not necessary. I was unsure and wanted to play it safe as mentioned above. It was 90 degree junction where 2lanes open up to 3 shortly before the traffic lights so the right turn lane wasn't much longer than my vehicle combination anyway. Another situation took place in similar circumstances on the approach to a roundabout, fairly large although with multiple lanes, again dual carriageway opens up to 4 lanes shortly before the roundabout. I didn't know the roundabout so I straddled lanes I thought it was to make it safer not only for me but for other road users.

I know that 8-9minors is a lot but I felt like at least 3 were a little exaggerated. None were explained anyway so I have no idea what exactly I have done wrong. I know I made a small mistake 2-3 times but it is just my personal feeling as nothing has been said.

I just wanted to know if you can qualify for a serious fault because you split the lanes. I am back for a retest but I don't have much hope to pass.
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