Queues At Dover & Calais

[Mazzer2]

Any queues at the ports don`t show all the delays.
Loads with paperwork issues will either not go onto a trailer, or may end up dropped at a yard somewhere.
Last year we had a TNUK poster report half a day lost because of Brexit paper work.

"Tuesday morning sees the first problem of the trip, the back load is for Dublin but we are unable to get a ferry direct to Ireland due to them all being fully booked so I have to go via the UK. As it is short notice for the T forms they will not load me until lunch time, once the customs process has started. At 1 o'clock they have the customs paperwork started so begin loading, it takes about an hour to load 22 pallets of frozen bread, once sealed it's round to the Zollamt 3km away to collect the T forms and have the seal checked 30 minutes in there and I'm away."
https://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto ... y#p2792298

Before Brexit those docs were unnecessary, so that is purely Brexit issues. In the autumn so not teething troubles.

If we had known earlier that we couldn't have got a direct fery then we would have had the customs paperwork done earlier for going through the UK so in reality a one off previous loads form there to the UK/Ireland had loaded with no problems or delays since Jan 2021 as they prepare the T forms a day in advance, I clearly state in the piece that this was due to the short notice requirement for transit forms yet again you have a problem reading what is written.

[Franglais]

Any queues at the ports don`t show all the delays.
Loads with paperwork issues will either not go onto a trailer, or may end up dropped at a yard somewhere.
Last year we had a TNUK poster report half a day lost because of Brexit paper work.

"Tuesday morning sees the first problem of the trip, the back load is for Dublin but we are unable to get a ferry direct to Ireland due to them all being fully booked so I have to go via the UK. As it is short notice for the T forms they will not load me until lunch time, once the customs process has started. At 1 o'clock they have the customs paperwork started so begin loading, it takes about an hour to load 22 pallets of frozen bread, once sealed it's round to the Zollamt 3km away to collect the T forms and have the seal checked 30 minutes in there and I'm away."
https://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto ... y#p2792298

Before Brexit those docs were unnecessary, so that is purely Brexit issues. In the autumn so not teething troubles.

If we had known earlier that we couldn't have got a direct fery then we would have had the customs paperwork done earlier for going through the UK so in reality a one off previous loads form there to the UK/Ireland had loaded with no problems or delays since Jan 2021 as they prepare the T forms a day in advance, I clearly state in the piece that this was due to the short notice requirement for transit forms yet again you have a problem reading what is written.

Yes. you clearly state the background, and I provided a link to the full story, and quoted the full paragraph.
Unusual, maybe.

But:
With Brexit this can, and sometimes does occur.
Without Brexit this would never occur.

The half day lost is quite simply due to Brexit.

Dance around the ifs, buts, and maybes, as you will, Brexit caused your delay.

[Mazzer2]

I'm not denying the cause of the delay but it was not as bad as you're making out and was a one off, problem arose at 09.00 UK time and was solved by 12.00 UK time in the scheme of things 3 hours loss over a journey from Memmingem to Dublin is pretty irrelevant,

[Darkside]

Approximately 30 km of truck queuing to get to Calais yesterday. We are receiving loads from EE which are days late.

[nogin]

There were not 30km of queues in Calais yesterday,more like 300meters,I crossed on Eurotunnel this morning in 2 hrs,the problems in Dover are that it has not been big enough for years,and is badly run,they can't cope and they can't expand as Calais have just done

[whisperingsmith]

Looking Good Then

Here are the new rules, helpfully provided by P&O, for trucks importing into The UK from The European Single Market.
Thank god we managed to free ourselves from all that cumbersome EU red tape.

[the maoster]

. We are receiving loads from EE which are days late.

We receive loads from Leeds that are weeks late.

[the maoster]

There were not 30km of queues in Calais yesterday,more like 300meters,

But, but, but some lunatic on the internet says that can’t be so, even though you do it every day.

[Monkey241]

Any queues at the ports don`t show all the delays.
Loads with paperwork issues will either not go onto a trailer, or may end up dropped at a yard somewhere.
Last year we had a TNUK poster report half a day lost because of Brexit paper work.

"Tuesday morning sees the first problem of the trip, the back load is for Dublin but we are unable to get a ferry direct to Ireland due to them all being fully booked so I have to go via the UK. As it is short notice for the T forms they will not load me until lunch time, once the customs process has started. At 1 o'clock they have the customs paperwork started so begin loading, it takes about an hour to load 22 pallets of frozen bread, once sealed it's round to the Zollamt 3km away to collect the T forms and have the seal checked 30 minutes in there and I'm away."
https://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto ... y#p2792298

Before Brexit those docs were unnecessary, so that is purely Brexit issues. In the autumn so not teething troubles.

If we had known earlier that we couldn't have got a direct fery then we would have had the customs paperwork done earlier for going through the UK so in reality a one off previous loads form there to the UK/Ireland had loaded with no problems or delays since Jan 2021 as they prepare the T forms a day in advance, I clearly state in the piece that this was due to the short notice requirement for transit forms yet again you have a problem reading what is written.

Yes. you clearly state the background, and I provided a link to the full story, and quoted the full paragraph.
Unusual, maybe.

But:
With Brexit this can, and sometimes does occur.
Without Brexit this would never occur.

The half day lost is quite simply due to Brexit.

Dance around the ifs, buts, and maybes, as you will, Brexit caused your delay.

New systems.....

Any ideas what they tend to do?

Everytime there's a change in Brexit we're promised doom.

Doom appears to last weeks and disappear. I always thought Doom would be a little more permanent.

Perhaps people adapt and learn - like Brixham did?

You don't like red tape and paying for it in the cost of imports. Every manufactured item has the cost of red tape built in.... even EU produced items.


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[whisperingsmith]

Doom appears to last weeks and disappear. I always thought Doom would be a little more permanent.

Perhaps people adapt and learn - like Brixham did?

Brixham is not a good example of adaption.
Yes one Fish merchant & the Auction house have benefited - this has not trickled down to the fisherman or anyone else.

In fact, Brixham's Auction House gain is reflected in a Nationwide loss for other Merchants from Yorkshire down to Cornwall

[OwenMoney]

There was an interview in the Dorset Echo with Mr.Chris Samways , director of the fish merchant and transporter from Bridport.
Now employing two people just to deal with the 71 pages of documentation required for each trailer of fish for export.

[Wiretwister]

A bit off thread maybe but are the queues for cars lengthy or non existant at Dover? I only ask because I believe car passengers cannot transit France to Spain or back without a good specific reason.I was going to fly to Alicante this weekend to bring my spanish car back to the UK but I am not allowed to transit France.The reason for my trip is that my 2017 Mondeo has been broken down 3 weeks waiting for a gear selection cable which will,according to the stores,"be here when it's here."As it happens a VW owner has also been told that the parts for his clutch should be available by March.

Appears to be changing from midnight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59977978

[whisperingsmith]

According to the Torygraph - things will get even worse in July when we get the last installment of Brexshit:-

Importers are set to face hundreds of pounds of extra charges when the next wave of post-Brexshit checks affecting food products are introduced this summer, port bosses have warned.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/01/10/food-importers-face-pain-brexit-charges/

[yourhavingalarf]

There was an interview in the Dorset Echo with Mr.Chris Samways , director of the fish merchant and transporter from Bridport.
Now employing two people just to deal with the 71 pages of documentation required for each trailer of fish for export.

Job...

Creation then.

Win win.

[Dodgy Permit]

are reports of delays up to 4 days and lengthy Queues at Dover & Calais correct ??

I'm confident...

That if that were true, I'd be reading about it somewhere in internet land/MSM.

Here You Go - Starting with the Ultra Right Wing Brexit Supporting GB News:

GB News:- Lorry drivers facing four day wait at Calais as 'terrible' Brexit red tape causes chaos
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/lorry-drivers-facing-four-day-wait-at-calais-as-terrible-brexit-red-tape-causes-chaos/203840

Reuters:- High number of trucks being stopped on UK-EU border, DFDS says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/high-number-trucks-being-stopped-uk-eu-border-dfds-says-2021-01-08/

Independant:- Lorries stuck at checkpoints for four days due to ‘terrible’ new Brexit red tape
Exclusive: Logistics firm told HMRC is ‘too busy’ to deal with trucks stuck in customs controls
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-lorries-stuck-customs-b1990961.html

Guardian- Truck drivers tell of long delays for checks at the Eurotunnel as trade barrier goes up between UK and EU
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/08/stuck-lorry-drivers-calais-effects-brexit-eurotunnel

BBC- Were there hold-ups in first week after Brexit?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55573772

SKY News:- Brexit: Michael Gove warns of 'significant disruption' at border as effects of trade change begin to be felt
A freight firm warns drivers that vehicles are being held up or turned away from Dover in Kent and Calais and Dunkirk in France.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-lorries-delayed-and-refused-entry-at-ports-as-new-trade-effects-begin-to-be-felt-12182181

That's just a sample from the MSM

You should have put Guardian extreme Left Wing News

[richie22]

Tipped Morrisons sittingbourne yesterday , cleared 1630, entered Dover via jubilee way , bit of a que to get a French stamp . Sailed dfds to dunquerke, delft seaways which got going around 2000. There is issues with the gmr set up at the mo but the delays some crackpots are banging on about Ive yet to see , returned today arrived dunquerke 1230 (local) sailed at 1500.
Calais was slightly busy today , there was a que on the bypas I believe back to the big left hander by the dunes, approx 1 from the booths . I should say the new port entry for Calais does not help the ques in any way, silly setup . I seen plenty of worse delays in previous years than what we are getting currently.
Sevington, not that a crazy place, backward as hell and it’s all our British doing !

[Monkey241]

Doom appears to last weeks and disappear. I always thought Doom would be a little more permanent.

Perhaps people adapt and learn - like Brixham did?

Brixham is not a good example of adaption.
Yes one Fish merchant & the Auction house have benefited - this has not trickled down to the fisherman or anyone else.

In fact, Brixham's Auction House gain is reflected in a Nationwide loss for other Merchants from Yorkshire down to Cornwall

But the fishermen are selling?

Despite Brexit?

So you're suggesting apart from those mentioned that a status quo exists? Despite Brexit?

Just another way of doing business

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[whisperingsmith]

But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

[Franglais]

There was an interview in the Dorset Echo with Mr.Chris Samways , director of the fish merchant and transporter from Bridport.
Now employing two people just to deal with the 71 pages of documentation required for each trailer of fish for export.

Job...

Creation then.

Win win.

Great news innit!
But still not enough employment created yet: HMRC helpline are taking messages and offering callbacks. They must need staff as they are too busy to do stuff like...customs....
https://youtu.be/-afMdipfTKM

[Franglais]

Just another way of doing business

Yes. Definitely different.
Same business, now with extra work and expense for both importers and exporters.

For the same amount of goods for export, extra documentation is needed. This is extra work for both the exporter and for civil servants administering this. Extra work costs wages from exporting company, which is either reduced profits or higher prices risking loss of sales. Extra work for Gov means extra taxes or reductions in spending elsewhere.
UK exporters are often in competition with other EU providers who do not have these expenses.

For goods being imported there is documentation raised by the foreign vendor, again this is reduced profit for them or increased prices for the UK buyer.
In this case all EU suppliers are having the same expense. They are not competing against any other EU suppliers without this new expense. So, there is little need for them to reduce their profit margins. They will likely pass this expense on to us.
Imports need clearing into the UK, so expense in doing so for companies, plus costs in Gov admin.

The above is only, of course, for imports and exports.
We are clearly less competitive in the EU marketplace compared with EU suppliers.
We are clearly paying more for our needs produced in the EU than our EU neighbours.

Does this matter if we produce all our own needs?
We don`t. We haven`t produced our own food needs for many years.

Since we are talking fish a lot: (from Statista 2021, 2019 figures)
"Fish and seafood imports & trade balance
Total fish imports of the UK amounted to 228 thousand metric tons during the same year. The number one imported fish was salmon. The net exports of fish from the UK to the EU-28 came to 113 thousand metric tons."
https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... u-by-type/

Fish is still being caught and sold; bought and eaten.
It is costing more for us to buy it, and we have more costs on what we export.

[Monkey241]

But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful

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[Franglais]

More to the point ..... what were EU directives/regulations/marks of conformity?

Were they not red tape? With huge attached costs?

Or are we back to being deliberately dishonest again,

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But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful

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[Franglais]

DFDS Calais Sheerness is stopping this Saturday
"Suspended until further notice" "Operational difficulties"

https://www.dfds.com/en/freight-shippin ... -sheerness

Un-Acc traffic only I think. It started in the summer of 2021. Permanent or temp closure, or whatever?

[whisperingsmith]

But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful

I don't know where you live Monkey, but I guess it must be inland somewhere.
If you lived in a fishing area as I do, you would be hearing about the Brexit problems and perceived betrayal all the time.

This article centered on Newlyn gives - I think - a fairly balanced view, without much Brexit bashing:
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/food-and-drink/year-since-brexit-fishermen-cornwall-say-they-were-sold-a-dream-1391517

[Mazzer2]

On the subject to queues and delays how much of it is down to the French being well French, a full load of multi-drop beef being tipped across Holland,Belgium and Germany that is loaded in Ireland and transits the UK on T2 forms to Harwich and enters the EU through the Hook is waved straight off the boat and on it's way. The same load going via the Tunnel will be sent to SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks. Loaded yesterday in Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes.
So do the French know the difference between the UK and Ireland? And are the Germans really that much more efficient?

[switchlogic]

Looking Good Then

Here are the new rules, helpfully provided by P&O, for trucks importing into The UK from The European Single Market.
Thank god we managed to free ourselves from all that cumbersome EU red tape.

brexit_documentation.jpg

https://youtube.com/shorts/0v7thhqXNYQ?feature=share

[Monkey241]

More to the point ..... what were EU directives/regulations/marks of conformity?

Were they not red tape? With huge attached costs?

Or are we back to being deliberately dishonest again,

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But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful

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You seem confused

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[Monkey241]

But the fishermen are selling?

Still selling Monkey, just a lot less than before Brexit and they are pretty pissed off about it

Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful

I don't know where you live Monkey, but I guess it must be inland somewhere.
If you lived in a fishing area as I do, you would be hearing about the Brexit problems and perceived betrayal all the time.

This article centered on Newlyn gives - I think - a fairly balanced view, without much Brexit bashing:
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/food-and-drink/year-since-brexit-fishermen-cornwall-say-they-were-sold-a-dream-1391517

Right.... so you've heard?

We often mix with people who don't challenge our views

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[Franglais]

On the subject to queues and delays how much of it is down to the French being well French, a full load of multi-drop beef being tipped across Holland,Belgium and Germany that is loaded in Ireland and transits the UK on T2 forms to Harwich and enters the EU through the Hook is waved straight off the boat and on it's way. The same load going via the Tunnel will be sent to SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks. Loaded yesterday in Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes.
So do the French know the difference between the UK and Ireland? And are the Germans really that much more efficient?

Because of Brexit, administration is now necessary that wasn`t necessary before.
It takes time and money.

Mazzer:" SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks."
Just like EU goods transiting Swiss then? Subject to checks for country of origin etc.
This is an absolutely inevitable result of the deal the UK has with the EU.

All countries have civil servants and customs officers. Some do more for their salary than others.
Give officials more chance to act officially, and guess what? Maybe this is a surprise to you: they will!

What did you think would happen when you give officials more work to do?
This red tape (which adds what to the economy anywhere?) costs money, and is due to Brexit.
And don`t worry: when the vet opens in the UK in the summer* the UK can start more checks. The UK WaterGuard might be beaten by some, but aren`t the laziest at officialdom.
If those sheds and lorryparks (paid for by our taxes) open as promised do you think they will be waving you through all the time?
Red tape is a pain in the butt no matter who administers it. Brexit has created more.

We in the UK can point to other countries enforcing these rules, but why did we give them theses new rules to enforce?
This was the deal we negotiated and signed!

The French have always been French. They didn`t change. The rules changed!


" Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes."
You`ve already told us it takes 3 or 4 hrs for your German papers?
It would appear that those papers would have been made up before loading, but one change and it is back to the beginning.
Your German load was doing a good job for you by doing papers before loading. It seems the Lyon company loads first, and does papers afterwards. Maybe they don`t want to risk doing docs twice?

No matter how long it takes....before Brexit this would not have happened.

Sod`s law states "If it can go wrong, it will go wrong"
Why have more admin? It will go wrong

[Monkey241]

On the subject to queues and delays how much of it is down to the French being well French, a full load of multi-drop beef being tipped across Holland,Belgium and Germany that is loaded in Ireland and transits the UK on T2 forms to Harwich and enters the EU through the Hook is waved straight off the boat and on it's way. The same load going via the Tunnel will be sent to SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks. Loaded yesterday in Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes.
So do the French know the difference between the UK and Ireland? And are the Germans really that much more efficient?

Because of Brexit, administration is now necessary that wasn`t necessary before.
It takes time and money.

Mazzer:" SVP checks where it can spend up to 6 hours despite being sealed and the seal being unbroken on one occasion last weekend there were 6 Irish lorries in SVP and 3 GB ones all the Irish had loaded in Ireland yet were subject to checks."
Just like EU goods transiting Swiss then? Subject to checks for country of origin etc.
This is an absolutely inevitable result of the deal the UK has with the EU.

All countries have civil servants and customs officers. Some do more for their salary than others.
Give officials more chance to act officially, and guess what? Maybe this is a surprise to you: they will!

What did you think would happen when you give officials more work to do?
This red tape (which adds what to the economy anywhere?) costs money, and is due to Brexit.
And don`t worry: when the vet opens in the UK in the summer* the UK can start more checks. The UK WaterGuard might be beaten by some, but aren`t the laziest at officialdom.
If those sheds and lorryparks (paid for by our taxes) open as promised do you think they will be waving you through all the time?
Red tape is a pain in the butt no matter who administers it. Brexit has created more.

We in the UK can point to other countries enforcing these rules, but why did we give them theses new rules to enforce?
This was the deal we negotiated and signed!

The French have always been French. They didn`t change. The rules changed!


" Lyon with yoghurts (for Ireland) a sign on the wall said all UK loads will take 3 hours to get customs paperwork yet load the same product in Germany and it may take up to 15 minutes."
You`ve already told us it takes 3 or 4 hrs for your German papers?
It would appear that those papers would have been made up before loading, but one change and it is back to the beginning.
Your German load was doing a good job for you by doing papers before loading. It seems the Lyon company loads first, and does papers afterwards. Maybe they don`t want to risk doing docs twice?

No matter how long it takes....before Brexit this would not have happened.

Sod`s law states "If it can go wrong, it will go wrong"
Why have more admin? It will go wrong

But Brexit has happened - for a number of reasons.
It's time you adapted.

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