Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w
I think she was over her hours because she didn’t want to stop at Bridgwater services or something.
Harry Monk:
I think she was over her hours because she didn’t want to stop at Bridgwater services or something.
Yep
What’s the likely result of this? New job? new career? Huge fine? Prison?
Harry Monk:
I think she was over her hours because she didn’t want to stop at Bridgwater services or something.
Ahh ok, so that was the one where she ran with no card in right?
Think it was covered on here.
No matter, …the vid still illustrates what happens when you are fatigued for whatever reason.
Keep up rob this was posted months ago
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w
(Workplace) Health and Safety is an euphemism for arse covering, to enable employers to blame employees for any stuff ups.
Star down under.:
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w(Workplace) Health and Safety is an euphemism for arse covering, to enable employers to blame employees for any stuff ups.
I know that, but working 15 hour days between 9 hours off,.(not necessarily rest) in charge of 44tonnes in excess of 70 hours, along side smaller vehicles is a classic case where the health and safety aspect should be looked at as an essential, but they would rather concentrate on crap like wearing hi viz clown suits that are ott.
robroy:
Star down under.:
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w(Workplace) Health and Safety is an euphemism for arse covering, to enable employers to blame employees for any stuff ups.
I know that, but working 15 hour days between 9 hours off,.(not necessarily rest) in charge of 44tonnes in excess of 70 hours, along side smaller vehicles is a classic case where the health and safety aspect should be looked at as an essential, but they would rather concentrate on crap like wearing hi viz clown suits that are ott.
Spot on, but PPE is the cheapest box to tick, enabling a compliance claim.
Oh look, it’s one of Sawyers subbies. Colour me surprised.
You cant park there mate
stu675:
What’s the likely result of this? New job? new career? Huge fine? Prison?
Found the story now, 18 months suspended sentence and 12 months ban. Looks like a change of career and limitations for the rest of her life.
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robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8w
H&S when you’ve staff working on their own only works when said staff actually bother to follow the stuff put in place. H&S is as much the responsibility of the individual worker as it is the employer. H&S itself isn’t the problem rather the attitudes of individuals like those often displayed by several prominent contributors to this site that it’s all a joke and a waste of time.
Conor:
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8wH&S when you’ve staff working on their own only works when said staff actually bother to follow the stuff put in place. H&S is as much the responsibility of the individual worker as it is the employer. H&S itself isn’t the problem rather the attitudes of individuals like those often displayed by several prominent contributors to this site that it’s all a joke and a waste of time.
it is a joke and a waste of time, cant be bothered to sound of the useless regulations that most company’s implement in the name of health and safety
Conor:
robroy:
Afaik not proven that was the cause of this, but I’d sure as hell bet it had a lot to do with it…
Health and safety being genuine and a reality in this job…my arse
youtu.be/uJwhHkRVd8wH&S when you’ve staff working on their own only works when said staff actually bother to follow the stuff put in place. H&S is as much the responsibility of the individual worker as it is the employer. H&S itself isn’t the problem rather the attitudes of individuals like those often displayed by several prominent contributors to this site that it’s all a joke and a waste of time.
It ain’t a waste of time when it’s a genuine entity as opposed to an arse covering excercise or a totally unneccesary ott scenario.
My point was that if ever there was a bloody good reason for H&S to kick in as a priority in drivers hours, it’s the amount of time we are allowed (and encouraged) to work in the nature of the work we do, and the risks involved due to tiredness.
robroy:
My point was that if ever there was a bloody good reason for H&S to kick in as a priority in drivers hours, it’s the amount of time we are allowed (and encouraged) to work in the nature of the work we do, and the risks involved due to tiredness.
Health and Safety has nothing to do with health or safety, it’s all about mitigating and minimising claims against an employer’s insurance. As it is legal to work a 15 hour day then a company cannot be found negligent for having its drivers do so. The Government or eu could reduce road deaths by reducing drivers’ hours but this would be at the cost of also reducing profits in the road transport sector which they would never do.
Harry Monk:
robroy:
My point was that if ever there was a bloody good reason for H&S to kick in as a priority in drivers hours, it’s the amount of time we are allowed (and encouraged) to work in the nature of the work we do, and the risks involved due to tiredness.Health and Safety has nothing to do with health or safety, it’s all about mitigating and minimising claims against an employer’s insurance. As it is legal to work a 15 hour day then a company cannot be found negligent for having its drivers do so. The Government or eu could reduce road deaths by reducing drivers’ hours but this would be at the cost of also reducing profits in the road transport sector which they would never do.
I do get it Harry, but the H&S card should be played in terms of drivers hours, as it is in every bloody thing else instead of being conveniently ignored for the reasons you point out.
Harry Monk:
robroy:
My point was that if ever there was a bloody good reason for H&S to kick in as a priority in drivers hours, it’s the amount of time we are allowed (and encouraged) to work in the nature of the work we do, and the risks involved due to tiredness.Health and Safety has nothing to do with health or safety, it’s all about mitigating and minimising claims against an employer’s insurance. As it is legal to work a 15 hour day then a company cannot be found negligent for having its drivers do so. The Government or eu could reduce road deaths by reducing drivers’ hours but this would be at the cost of also reducing profits in the road transport sector which they would never do.
Harry, I always think you talk a lot of sense when posting, and I respect your experience in the industry.
However, I disagree with your last point regarding a potential reduction in permitted hours of duty resulting in reduced profitability for the transport industry. In general, we all have to abide by the rules, and if, due to any changes to the hours regulations, companies cannot sweat their assets to the extent that they did previouslythen the answer is simple. Put your rates up.
It’s the same as the fuel issue. We all have to buy fuel, and when the price is not affordable at whatever level it is, put your rates up. Don’t blockade refineries or go on go slows down the motorway.
Work together and PUT THE RATES UP!!!
When will it happen? Never.
The customers know it and the politicians know it. As a consequence, we, the hauliers, large and small, get what we so richly deserve. Rogered vigorously, right up the fundament.
I feel much better now!!
Harry Monk:
Health and Safety has nothing to do with health or safety, it’s all about mitigating and minimising claims against an employer’s insurance. As it is legal to work a 15 hour day then a company cannot be found negligent for having its drivers do so. The Government or eu could reduce road deaths by reducing drivers’ hours but this would be at the cost of also reducing profits in the road transport sector which they would never do.
We’re back to the it being as much the responsibility of the employee as the employer. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure they’re fit to drive. If they’re too tired and continue instead of saying no then that’s on them.
Conor:
Harry Monk:
Health and Safety has nothing to do with health or safety, it’s all about mitigating and minimising claims against an employer’s insurance. As it is legal to work a 15 hour day then a company cannot be found negligent for having its drivers do so. The Government or eu could reduce road deaths by reducing drivers’ hours but this would be at the cost of also reducing profits in the road transport sector which they would never do.We’re back to the it being as much the responsibility of the employee as the employer. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure they’re fit to drive. If they’re too tired and continue instead of saying no then that’s on them.
If the driver declares himself unfit, that needs to be accepted without repercussions.