CPC

Hi, this is my first post i hope its O.K to post it here.

Drivers on the whole don’t like being forced to sit through 7 hours of Driver CPC every year and as it says below it is stopping driver returning to the industry and with the current shortage of drivers that is not a good thing, if you agree please sign the petition.

Petition Creator by Andrew Watson -

PetitionScrap Drivers Certificate Professional Competence (DCPC) to ease driver shortage

Government and the Department for transport need to remove the requirement for a driver to hold a DCPC also known as drivers certificate of professional competence, this has been required since 2009.

The RHA and FTA I’ve been asking the government to help the haulage industry with the driver shortage, scrapping the CPC requirement will enable LGV license holders to return to driving who currently cannot do so due to not having a DCPC, The scheme never fulfilled the promises made when it was introduced and has exacerbated the driver shortage to the point that the economy will suffer, it’s time now to rethink this poorly thought out legislation that caused a large exodus of drivers.
5,700 signatures

Sign here - petition.parliament.uk/petitions/591225

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I really cannot see them scrapping it and frankly I don’t believe they should.

What needs to be done is to modify it to make it fewer hours and more relevant. As a Transport Manager, I had to take a TM CPC with an exam at the end. It would be interesting to see how experienced drivers would like it to be shaped.

One full day a year should be enough, with maybe another half-day for drivers with ADR, crane work and wide loads, etc.
A day after passing the HGV test to cover load security tacho use etc.
CPC days could be general - for agency drivers, or organised by employers and slanted towards their own operations.

I would like to know why someone who drives a 3.5 ton vehicle is not required to take DCPC but someone who drives a 7.5 ton vehicle has to take it it is crazy.

When we did our last CPC day the instructor informed us they are discussing introducing a test at the end of the day we all said if they do that they will lose even more drivers.

If it is not scrapped as you say they need to reduce the hours and make it more relevant, i would still vote to scrap it.

I signed…

Scrap the ■■■■ thing. It’s a stealth tax and it serves and no purpose in it’s present form.

I’d be slightly more convinced of it’s benefits if there was a pass/fail but, for some reason or other, there isn’t.

The basics that you need to get by in this industry could be taught alongside the driving lessons. You know, like a theory test but for lorries.

It serves no purpose but fleecing the hgv driver. But thats the most important purpose there is.

I can’t see them scrapping it either, but I hope they do.

It is abundantly clear that the DCPC was set up as another service industry job creation scheme.
It has also remained that way with only minor tweaks to make it look less obvious in its worthlessness.
It is a further tax on actual productive workers.

However I am very pleased it is now helping exacerbate the driver shortage which is in turn helping wages rise.

I am not against education, but it needs to be genuine education.
If we were to keep the DCPC to provide that to us then the first step would be to educate, train & test the trainers; they should be specialists in the area they are trying to teach to us.
The ADR setup is a good example of how our DCPC ‘education’ should be set up.

Look, if they scrap it whats that fat bloke in the videos going to do next? Sugar-daddy films? #fairpayforfatty

JeffA:
Look, if they scrap it whats that fat bloke in the videos going to do next? Sugar-daddy films? #fairpayforfatty

He can get his fat arse back into the cab and lessen the shortage of drivers!

They aren’t scrapping it and no petition is going to change that. The document is 43 pages long, but you can skip to page 36, section 7.2
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I AM THE FAT BLOKE IN THE CPC VIDEOS

If you scrap it - thanks for nothing!!

Zac_A:
They aren’t scrapping it and no petition is going to change that.

They may not scrap it but if the petition gets to 1000 they may discuss why there is so much negativity about DCPC and then they may change it, it only takes a couple of minutes to vote surely its worth a try.

D.Thompson:

Zac_A:
They aren’t scrapping it and no petition is going to change that.

They may not scrap it but if the petition gets to 1000 they may discuss why there is so much negativity about DCPC and then they may change it, it only takes a couple of minutes to vote surely its worth a try.

Theres so much negativity thanks to no good hgv drivers thats how the powers that be see it. Trying to enforce standards! Make them pay £500 to be shown how to put a nozzle into a fuel tank!

Theres so much negativity thanks to no good hgv drivers thats how the powers that be see it.

They should be forced to watch this, the tweets he posts in the top corner of the video say it all.

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I’m signing it! I nearly started a post on here this very morning about somebody starting something to get it scrapped which would possibly help with the driver shortage.
One thing I would say is maybe it should be kept, or a version of it, for newbies. That makes perfect sense to me anyway.

nomiS36:
One thing I would say is maybe it should be kept, or a version of it, for newbies. That makes perfect sense to me anyway.

I agree for new drivers.

D.Thompson:

Zac_A:
They aren’t scrapping it and no petition is going to change that.

They may not scrap it but if the petition gets to 1000 they may discuss why there is so much negativity about DCPC and then they may change it, it only takes a couple of minutes to vote surely its worth a try.

Yeah, because there’s nothing else to occupy MPs at this point in time, except covid, climate change, Afghanistan, ISIS-K, wee Jimmy Krankie bleating on again about independence, lining their own nests and covering their butts when they’re caught out in the latest scandal…

Seriously, they aren’t going to care a rat’s derriere, doesn’t matter how many signatures you get. Remember that petition to revoke article 50 and remain in the EU? That got 6.1 million votes, zero impact on reality.

It’s abundantly clear the government couldn’t care less about the complaints of a small section of the HGV community. Grant Shaps knee-jerk reaction to the driver shortage? Let them all work for longer hours - what does that tell you?

Why are they going to take a few whinging drivers seriously when there are countless posts on TN and elsewhere showing there’s plenty who, after many years of driving, still happily claim to not be able to get their head around drivers hours? Or those who deliberately text/phone behind the wheel, often with disastrous consequences?

The HGV community don’t stick together, there are no (effective) unions, drivers stab each other in the back or post publicly how they proudly break the rules all the time. Meanwhile cowboy operators advertise jobs with illegally long hours and mediocre pay but still find plenty who think taking a job like this this makes them “a proper driver”.

Meanwhile the big companies, who are happy to have their guys do DCPC, will be knocking theirselves out looking for a way to “leverage” the shortage to their advantage, cosying up to the government trying to get “funding for training” or some other scheme.

I’ve said this before, not all DCPC trainers and courses are equal, some do ■■■■ big-style, others will give you a better day, but no one ever gives recommendations or a sensible review of a training provider, so rubbish outfits do just as well as those that are trying harder.

D.Thompson:

nomiS36:
One thing I would say is maybe it should be kept, or a version of it, for newbies. That makes perfect sense to me anyway.

I agree for new drivers.

Rules and laws change. Old hands don`t always (ever? :smiley: ) keep up with the changes.
First Aid refresher lesson has got to be good.
A practical driving assessment would probably be a good thing too*.

  • Yeah, here come all the “Im faultless", "Teach Granny egg sucking", "professional standards", "pride", "twenty years and I havent killed (many)” posts. Probably frightened of failing too!

They won’t scrap it.
It’s big business, too many people are making a lot of money out of it.

Signed it anyway just in case…, the thought of being bored off my ■■■■ yet again for another x no of hours sitting through all that ■■■■■■■■ fills me with dread .
:imp:
Petition currently sitting at 5374 signatures.

Zac_A:

D.Thompson:

Zac_A:
They aren’t scrapping it and no petition is going to change that.

They may not scrap it but if the petition gets to 1000 they may discuss why there is so much negativity about DCPC and then they may change it, it only takes a couple of minutes to vote surely its worth a try.

Yeah, because there’s nothing else to occupy MPs at this point in time, except covid, climate change, Afghanistan, ISIS-K, wee Jimmy Krankie bleating on again about independence, lining their own nests and covering their butts when they’re caught out in the latest scandal…

Oh well lets do nothing and just sit on our arses in the classroom moaning about how pointless CPC is, at least the person setting up the petition is trying to do something if it gets nowhere we will be in the same place we are now if you don’t think CPC is of any use to experienced drivers sign the petition at least then you have done something positive to try to get it changed!

As it states on the e petition page -

At 10,000 signatures…
At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to this petition

At 100,000 signatures…
At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

The CPC in theory was a good idea, it’s just in practice that it’s been ballsed up.
The most common CPC modules going (drivers hours, tacho, health & safety etc) can be good for newbies to the industry, but aren’t much use to those of us who have been around a while, as the information hardly changes.
This is one reason why ADR courses have become more popular and common over the last several years, because there are some drivers who, whether it’s because they’re bored of the same old courses, or because they want to get something productive in return for their time, are choosing to do ADR instead of CPC.
I think a lot more variety of courses should be available, and that companies should be able to do courses that are more specific to their work, in order to help their drivers more. The reasons why this isn’t currently done is because they would have to get not only the instructors approved, but also the courses. This will cost several hundred pounds per course per year, in addition to the time and effort to write and develop the course and any additional materials to go along with it.
There are signs that thise in charge of CPC are looking to make improvements, such as not allowing the same module to be repeated within the same 5 year window, but more changes need to be made, and in my opinion, one of the best ways to do this would be to drastically increase the range of course modules on offer

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