It looks like US trucking firms have the same issues as here.
Scott Riley of Anderson, Indiana, just started working for Celadon in August, and his health insurance coverage began 1 November. His $200-a-week health insurance plan left him with a $23 copay for the $1,400-a-month medication he needs to treat his diabetes. His wife’s $450-a-month medication was completely covered. Now, Riley and his wife, Jennifer, are left with no health insurance coverage, and unsure how they are going to afford their medication.
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.
Dont know about anyone else but if I were one of those drivers the company could go ■■■■ themselves by telling me to park up at one of their depots and wait for a bus ticket home. If I had a full tank of diesel id be taking it back to the main yard and dumping it
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.
So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.In our case in the form of what employers are willing to pay in the form of income tax etc as opposed to insurance premiums in the case of the US.Bearing in mind that the NHS borrowing the shortfall isn’t a long term solution.On that note we don’t hear the Germans moaning about their system.Not because it’s a hybrid of NHS and Private but because Germany has still got sufficient wealth creating industry.Which is also willing to return the health care costs of its employees and their dependents etc back into the economy and the population realises the implications of free markets in that so buys German not Brit,Japanese or Chinese.
The trucking industry in the US is getting it tough at the moment, a few big carriers have went this year, I follow a driver on YouTube red viking trucker, he seems clued in worth a watch.
TheYoungTrucker:
The trucking industry in the US is getting it tough at the moment, a few big carriers have went this year, I follow a driver on YouTube red viking trucker, he seems clued in worth a watch.
E logs and linking fuel taxation to inflation what could possibly go wrong.While liar Trump says one thing and does the opposite.When it’s obvious that the road transport industry should be using Red diesel here or over there.
I do not think the US have none US citizens running up $600,0000 medical bills then clear off without paying like in our country.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.
I have no idea.
How long do you think you could afford to keep paying £1400 a month for the medication that you need to stay alive if you lost your job meaning you had no insurance?
The-Snowman:
How long do you think you could afford to keep paying £1400 a month for the medication that you need to stay alive if you lost your job meaning you had no insurance?
It’s just as unaffordable in either case how does the NHS pay for it without sufficient tax revenues being generated to pay for it.That’s why we need decent income protection cover to go with the Medical cover whether here or USA or Germany.
The problem being that we can’t pay for all that in an economy which is all about minimising wage levels.With a trade regime which subsidises Germany’s social security and health costs at our expense.Or a race to the bottom ultimately ending up with even worse provision than China.Or in this case a combination of both.
This is a wealth creation and income problem not one of ‘how’ we fund our health provision out of the resulting pot of cash.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.In our case in the form of what employers are willing to pay in the form of income tax etc as opposed to insurance premiums in the case of the US.Bearing in mind that the NHS borrowing the shortfall isn’t a long term solution.On that note we don’t hear the Germans moaning about their system.Not because it’s a hybrid of NHS and Private but because Germany has still got sufficient wealth creating industry.Which is also willing to return the health care costs of its employees and their dependents etc back into the economy and the population realises the implications of free markets in that so buys German not Brit,Japanese or Chinese.
From recent posts it’s clear you can’t afford the cost of living as it is since losing your mums pension yet you’d prefer to pay over the odds for health insurance? Because something tells me having been medically retired for 20+ years medical insurance would cost you an absolute fortune
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.In our case in the form of what employers are willing to pay in the form of income tax etc as opposed to insurance premiums in the case of the US.Bearing in mind that the NHS borrowing the shortfall isn’t a long term solution.On that note we don’t hear the Germans moaning about their system.Not because it’s a hybrid of NHS and Private but because Germany has still got sufficient wealth creating industry.Which is also willing to return the health care costs of its employees and their dependents etc back into the economy and the population realises the implications of free markets in that so buys German not Brit,Japanese or Chinese.
The NHS does not always pay as much for drugs as US patients do.
It is not a simple situation, but this is what the worries over creeping privatisation of the NHS and Trump “everything is on the table” trade talks are about.
The US pays far more for healthcare than we do. And it’s citizens get much less care, and bigpharma gets more cash.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.In our case in the form of what employers are willing to pay in the form of income tax etc as opposed to insurance premiums in the case of the US.Bearing in mind that the NHS borrowing the shortfall isn’t a long term solution.On that note we don’t hear the Germans moaning about their system.Not because it’s a hybrid of NHS and Private but because Germany has still got sufficient wealth creating industry.Which is also willing to return the health care costs of its employees and their dependents etc back into the economy and the population realises the implications of free markets in that so buys German not Brit,Japanese or Chinese.
From recent posts it’s clear you can’t afford the cost of living as it is since losing your mums pension yet you’d prefer to pay over the odds for health insurance? Because something tells me having been medically retired for 20+ years medical insurance would cost you an absolute fortune
My present situation has more to do with my income protection funds havng been robbed in the form of negative interest rates to subsidise employers’ wage costs than the loss of my Mother’s pension.Just like the NHS is being robbed of funding to do exactly the same.So tell us how do the Germans manage with the ideal combination of a hybrid NHS and Private funded system.No complaints there about health care rationing nor its funding.I’m guessing that unemployed/medically retired/retired workers are covered under that system.
While something tells me that we’re not hearing the true story regards US system or their death rates would be off the charts and Americans would be queuing up to leave the place.Instead of which they seem to be more interested in applying numerous anti immigration policies to keep people out.
Franglais:
The NHS does not always pay as much for drugs as US patients do.
It is not a simple situation, but this is what the worries over creeping privatisation of the NHS and Trump “everything is on the table” trade talks are about.
The US pays far more for healthcare than we do. And it’s citizens get much less care, and bigpharma gets more cash.
It’s a laughably simplistic statement to say that US citizens ‘get much less care’.The problem is more like some grey areas in their unemployment/sickness/retirement income protection regime.The same problems as exist here.The difference is that it’s hidden by the NHS picking up the tab.‘Until’ you run into NHS rationing which means stuff like no ICU being available when you need it,arterial issues deliberately mistreated as veinous because vascular surgery costs money,and finally a Liverpool Pathways type abitrary declaration of Palliative.Good luck with that.Also even at the most basic level doctors moaning about the fact that anti biotics won’t treat viral infections.Yes we bleedin know that which is why US GP’s generally routinely diagnose the difference and then prescribe anti virals as and when needed.How many Pneumonia deaths result from that type of rationing and could be avoided by the US approach.
It was labour that got the NHS into the mess that its now in, they opened the flood gates, borrowed and borrowed and then borrowed some more, all to keep the good times rolling, now they have the cheek to blame the Conservatives for the mess the NHS is in.
On another note to carryfast, the haulage industry running on red diesil will change nothing, the first thing that will happen is the rates will be cut, if not by the transport companies themselves (they specialise in shooting themselves in the foot) then definitely by the customers.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Anyone who still wants to moan about the nhs should consider how it would be without it.So how long do you think that the NHS can go on paying for exactly the same health provision costs,out of the same amount of funding.In our case in the form of what employers are willing to pay in the form of income tax etc as opposed to insurance premiums in the case of the US.Bearing in mind that the NHS borrowing the shortfall isn’t a long term solution.On that note we don’t hear the Germans moaning about their system.Not because it’s a hybrid of NHS and Private but because Germany has still got sufficient wealth creating industry.Which is also willing to return the health care costs of its employees and their dependents etc back into the economy and the population realises the implications of free markets in that so buys German not Brit,Japanese or Chinese.
From recent posts it’s clear you can’t afford the cost of living as it is since losing your mums pension yet you’d prefer to pay over the odds for health insurance? Because something tells me having been medically retired for 20+ years medical insurance would cost you an absolute fortune
My present situation has more to do with my income protection funds havng been robbed in the form of negative interest rates to subsidise employers’ wage costs than the loss of my Mother’s pension.Just like the NHS is being robbed of funding to do exactly the same.So tell us how do the Germans manage with the ideal combination of a hybrid NHS and Private funded system.No complaints there about health care rationing nor its funding.I’m guessing that unemployed/medically retired/retired workers are covered under that system.
While something tells me that we’re not hearing the true story regards US system or their death rates would be off the charts and Americans would be queuing up to leave the place.Instead of which they seem to be more interested in applying numerous anti immigration policies to keep people out.
Well, it is simple, use the Australian system. Medicare and public health system … example being you go to see a specialist, say ENT or whatever, you pay $160 to $200 to see him and then Medicare rebate say, in one instance of $160:they rebate $75. End of the day, the nhs will always cry for more funds …the National insurance scheme is being abused by immigration… my grandfather went to the UK from India, his father didn’t pay one pence into the system, but took 1000’s upon 1000’s out …it is time for persons to be resident for say 10 years until they can access free treatment on the NHS, and issue Cards that are required to be presented when seeing a specialist. Make all new immigrants, get health insurance and income insurance so they do not sponge of the state until they pay in … like an EU member comes to the uk commits a crime after being here for 3 months gets 1 year bird, it will cost miminum of £40k to keep him … the uk cannot allow uncontrolled unskilled immigration … and need a proper points system like here in Australia.
A lot of you whine about nhs but, maybe you should appreciate how good it is.
TheYoungTrucker:
It was labour that got the NHS into the mess that its now in, they opened the flood gates, borrowed and borrowed and then borrowed some more, all to keep the good times rolling, now they have the cheek to blame the Conservatives for the mess the NHS is in.On another note to carryfast, the haulage industry running on red diesil will change nothing, the first thing that will happen is the rates will be cut, if not by the transport companies themselves (they specialise in shooting themselves in the foot) then definitely by the customers.
Tories have been in power a near decade yet it’s still Labours fault? Laughable sorry. And if they can’t fix the NHS in a decade what makes anyone think they could do it in half that time?
switchlogic:
Tories have been in power a near decade yet it’s still Labours fault? Laughable sorry.
Yes as the Labour lot signed us up to new PFI hospitals with 25 year contracts to pay for “running them”, the private terms of which would have made Maggie Thatcher wet herself with excitement. Even she didn’t think she could privatise it that much.
On the employment front, imagine what it would be like if employers here paid for all healthcare. The terms for Downtons and Stobbies would be £5 hour plus min healthcare, but you have to work max hours to get it, no paid nights out etc. Scary!
Btw, no one can fix the NHS until they say you have to work 30+ hours a week to be allowed it for free, else it comes out of your henefits at time of payment. Too many scroungers (many British born and bred) scamming it. That would be a hybrid system between UK and US But be more affordable.
fuse:
I do not think the US have none US citizens running up $600,0000 medical bills then clear off without paying like in our country.
Post just one link which is true,which shows that any non UK citizen has ever run up a $600,000 medical bill or the equivalent in sterling.
remy:
Celadon trucking: What we know about bankruptcy and federal fraud caseNews about why they went bankrupt.
Alleged villains or just victims of circumstances desperately trying to save the business and the jobs of their employees ?.It looks like the perfect storm of brought down by typically anti road transport government policy created market conditions and crap modern truck technology all creating a predictable vehicle depreciaton melt down.
That would have been the O licence gone here long before that point just on grounds of financial standing let alone repute regardless.
TheYoungTrucker:
On another note to carryfast, the haulage industry running on red diesil will change nothing, the first thing that will happen is the rates will be cut
Strange how you’ve left out demand for road transport increases by at least as much as the rates reduce,if not more,as part of the equation.The fact is,together with allowing LHV’s,it would be a game changer regarding the industry’s profitability and viability and the rail freight lobby knows it.
As for the US that’s an even worse situation of trying to make less than 38t gross on 5 axles max,combined with the US government now stupidly going for Euro style road fuel taxation policies,pay.What could possibly go wrong.