switchlogic:
TheYoungTrucker:
It was labour that got the NHS into the mess that its now in, they opened the flood gates, borrowed and borrowed and then borrowed some more, all to keep the good times rolling, now they have the cheek to blame the Conservatives for the mess the NHS is in.
On another note to carryfast, the haulage industry running on red diesil will change nothing, the first thing that will happen is the rates will be cut, if not by the transport companies themselves (they specialise in shooting themselves in the foot) then definitely by the customers.
Tories have been in power a near decade yet it’s still Labours fault? Laughable sorry. And if they can’t fix the NHS in a decade what makes anyone think they could do it in half that time?
Laughable you may think, Tony Blair opened up the immigration floodgate, and that’s fine when you have workers paying there share of taxes, however when you got droves of these late 50s and 60 year olds coming over here and putting nothing in to the system, but all to happy to receive there free health care, then yes it was labour that created the mess which the NHS finds itself in.
So now you’re blaming NHS problems on a supposed sea of 50 and 60 year old foreigners? 
Sorry but that’s even more laughable
switchlogic:
So now you’re blaming NHS problems on a supposed sea of 50 and 60 year old foreigners? Sorry but that’s even more laughable
To be fair many hospitals in high immigration demand areas are swamped by ‘foreigners’ of all ages some younger than 50 some older than 60.But you’d need to live and have to use the facililities in one of those areas to realise it.Remind us where you live I’m guessing none of the usual immigration hot spots.The whole thing is a cheap labour scam with the lose lose of pro rata cuts in services in real terms for all,to make it pay for the employer classes.
OK there are many problems granted, you can’t point your finger at one single source and say that’s causing all the issues, again granted, but it’s certainly one huge source GP surgeries up and down the country are unable to cope with the sheer volume of people. If you think immigration is not a problem, especially economic immigration, those that are here with no intention to work, they are placing a huge burden on the system.
Where do think the money is coming from to support these people?? Its us the workers that have to cough up for them, the country’s still massively in debt from the last Labour government. But its OK you have worked and payed your taxes all your life and its all very laughable to your self.
TheYoungTrucker:
OK there are many problems granted, you can’t point your finger at one single source and say that’s causing all the issues, again granted, but it’s certainly one huge source GP surgeries up and down the country are unable to cope with the sheer volume of people. If you think immigration is not a problem, especially economic immigration, those that are here with no intention to work, they are placing a huge burden on the system.
Where do think the money is coming from to support these people?? Its us the workers that have to cough up for them, the country’s still massively in debt from the last Labour government. But its OK you have worked and payed your taxes all your life and its all very laughable to your self.
If there aren’t enough seats on a train, is that the fault of the passengers? Or of the train operators?
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If surgeries are insufficient is that the fault of patients?
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There hasn’t been a huge sudden spike in the UK population. It has been growing predictably enough.
The lack of provision is down to lack of adequate planning and financing.
Franglais:
If there aren’t enough seats on a train, is that the fault of the passengers? Or of the train operators?
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If surgeries are insufficient is that the fault of patients?
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There hasn’t been a huge sudden spike in the UK population. It has been growing predictably enough.
The lack of provision is down to lack of adequate planning and financing.
Remind us how much of that is natural population growth bearing in mind the establishment is telling us that we aren’t reproducing enough with population now almost double that as it stood the 1940’s.There’s nothing predictable about that it’s a deliberate policy of over population by low income expectation demographic in addition to a Kalergi type agenda based on laughable lies and excuses.That isn’t a case of ‘planning’.Planning would be let’s stop moving people in from the third world and East Europe with the intention of replacing us and making this an over populated corner of the third world.
Well where do you suggest the finance comes from? Those of us that have worked all our lives pay into the NHS in the form of tax so that it is there to support us if we need it, it does not work when you get people that haven’t put in but take out.
Take a look at the visa application for country’s like Australia, if your over the age of 30 your going to find it alot harder to be granted a visa, its a bit like a truck really the older it gets its going to start costing more to maintain, its fine tho as long as you have put aside some money every week you shud be fit to maintain it. If not your going to run into trouble, simple economics.
I must say, that I think that Tony Blair, in some ways, has been worse than Maggie. And as mentioned above, New Labours PFI scam is way, way more destructive than any diehard Tory could have hoped to get away with… PFI hospitals are crippled and bled dry with obscene fees and charges. £20 to fill a sanitiser dispenser. £70 to change a strip light.
Gordon Brown didnt save the banking system (we did… 
), but he certainly sold the countries gold reserve at a low price, and started the sell off of the NHS.
del trotter:
fuse:
I do not think the US have none US citizens running up $600,0000 medical bills then clear off without paying like in our country.
Post just one link which is true,which shows that any non UK citizen has ever run up a $600,000 medical bill or the equivalent in sterling.
dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -bill.html
That took me all of 5 seconds to find
And that’s just one example! How did this go from us trucking to the NHS lol
TheYoungTrucker:
And that’s just one example! How did this go from us trucking to the NHS lol
It went along the lines that unlike there even if every Brit worker was made redundant we could still afford the NHS because it’s free. 
The-Snowman:
del trotter:
fuse:
I do not think the US have none US citizens running up $600,0000 medical bills then clear off without paying like in our country.
Post just one link which is true,which shows that any non UK citizen has ever run up a $600,000 medical bill or the equivalent in sterling.
dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -bill.html
That took me all of 5 seconds to find
Daily Mail…must be true then. 
del trotter:
The-Snowman:
del trotter:
fuse:
I do not think the US have none US citizens running up $600,0000 medical bills then clear off without paying like in our country.
Post just one link which is true,which shows that any non UK citizen has ever run up a $600,000 medical bill or the equivalent in sterling.
dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -bill.html
That took me all of 5 seconds to find
Daily Mail…must be true then.
Well that was disappointingly predictable
Just because its in the daily mail doesnt mean its wrong.
Point me to the bit that makes you think its false.
You can also post a link to somewhere that denies health tourists run up tabs on the nhs and skip off without paying if you like
I’ll wait
TheYoungTrucker:
It was labour that got the NHS into the mess that its now in, they opened the flood gates, borrowed and borrowed and then borrowed some more, all to keep the good times rolling, now they have the cheek to blame the Conservatives for the mess the NHS is in.
On another note to carryfast, the haulage industry running on red diesil will change nothing, the first thing that will happen is the rates will be cut, if not by the transport companies themselves (they specialise in shooting themselves in the foot) then definitely by the customers.
And the lost revenue will come from where?
Wheel Nut:
And the lost revenue will come from where?
Income tax and business taxation so it’s spread across the working population after it’s been earned and the transaction completed and across every industrial sector.
As opposed to hitting one sector for political reasons and acting as a deterrent against moving stuff by road and therefore business.In addition to being effectively a discriminatory tax on drivers’ earnings and employment.
So we get a more viable thriving road transport industry with more demand for its services and with more room for wage increases and still plenty of tax revenue generated as a result.What’s not to like.