French Strike Pensions

They are just very good at not putting up with change
There is nowhere anywhere thats as good
The heckler out side parliament don’t come near it you have to take your cap off to them the rest of us just get screwed and take it and do nothing
Retirement much earlier with a good pension

I did see the other day a Tory MP donned a Hiviz and went to a train station that was disrupted due to the ongoing Industrial action, and tried to get things moving.

Good old Tories eh…

About 8 years ago I read that the French had a 6.7 trillion liability on their state pension ((might have been 7.6, but what’s a trillion amongst friends). Unfortunately that has to be solved first, unless we all keep borrowing.

Those with the most to loose are the one’s shouting loudest naturally, but the country can’t afford to ‘give’ all the time. The economics don’t stack up. A population living longer and some retiring at 54 is not financially fundable to the extent it was.
The Government need to take more in before it can give more, or the same out.

albion:
About 8 years ago I read that the French had a 6.7 trillion liability on their state pension ((might have been 7.6, but what’s a trillion amongst friends). Unfortunately that has to be solved first, unless we all keep borrowing.

Like health care costs it can only be solved by passing on the real costs of retirement back into the economy in the form of the wages needed to pay for decent retirement provision.Which also obviously means a protected market which stops jobs being exported to the lowest bidder.In addition to stopping the situation of retirement provision being plundered to cover other tax revenue shortfalls to keep taxes down for the rich.All based on the lie that we are supposedly living longer when both my Mother and her sister both died at an average age of 12 years less than their mother among numerous other examples of people I know who only lived a few years after retirement if even reaching it.

I had to cancel my weekend trip to the UK because of this.

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Do not blame them , one little bit, the nearest we have came to the french were the fuel protest I think it did have a result things were looked at and adjustments made in road tax and that stupid fuel escalator …EU looking after workers do not make me laugh…laugh .

The generous pension schemes are simply unsustainable. Enough here have already said that.
It seems the French public know that, but they want their new slimming regime to start…not quite yet…
Put it off until tomorrow.

Shades of the carbon economy here too. We know (most of us!) the imminent dangers, but we have our heads in the sand, and are knocking on wood with crossed fingers.

Macron was voted in as a fresh face, and a reformer. Well, hes reforming. It aint pleasant, many will be worse off, but it is necessary.

Do not mention climate we have not been on the planet long enough to blame anything, the EU free loaders in charge have wopping big pensions why not let them take a cut why is allways the people at the bottom, that EU gravy train wants sorting before pensions are cut.

Franglais:
The generous pension schemes are simply unsustainable. Enough here have already said that.
It seems the French public know that, but they want their new slimming regime to start…not quite yet…
Put it off until tomorrow.

Shades of the carbon economy here too. We know (most of us!) the imminent dangers, but we have our heads in the sand, and are knocking on wood with crossed fingers.

Macron was voted in as a fresh face, and a reformer. Well, hes reforming. It aint pleasant, many will be worse off, but it is necessary.

The irony of Thatcherite tories telling the working class that the EU is good for them.Make your mind up first we’re being told that the EU is good for the workers and we aren’t putting aside enough to cover our retirement needs.Then you’re saying that the employer classes can’t afford the resulting wage costs.Which is bleedin obvious if we’re going to make the lowest race to the bottom free market bidder the benchmark on income expectations.So which is it.Do you want East Euro Stalinist type poverty income and retirement expectations imposed across Europe or French expectations.

I know. I mean youd assume we would all have the same pensions across Europe with standardised retirement ages given that Brussels makes all the rules and doesn’t allow any decision to be made by each sovereign…

Oh… wait…

Carryfast:
.All based on the lie that we are supposedly living longer when both my Mother and her sister both died at an average age of 12 years less than their mother among numerous other examples of people I know who only lived a few years after retirement if even reaching it.

Have you let the government know about the findings of your clearly very extensive study

Carryfast:
All based on the lie that we are supposedly living longer when both my Mother and her sister both died at an average age of 12 years less than their mother among numerous other examples of people I know who only lived a few years after retirement if even reaching it.

Do you understand how “averages” work?

toonsy:
I know. I mean youd assume we would all have the same pensions across Europe with standardised retirement ages given that Brussels makes all the rules and doesn’t allow any decision to be made by each sovereign…

Oh… wait…

No such thing as standardised pension or age all are different

It don’t matter how long your live your local mp is paid out of the same pot, tax payers money into his pension
If they did not use the pot for other things then there would be plenty to pay it without a problem
I mean they don’t earn a fortune but they get a fortune in pension

Carryfast:

Franglais:
The generous pension schemes are simply unsustainable. Enough here have already said that.
It seems the French public know that, but they want their new slimming regime to start…not quite yet…
Put it off until tomorrow.

Shades of the carbon economy here too. We know (most of us!) the imminent dangers, but we have our heads in the sand, and are knocking on wood with crossed fingers.

Macron was voted in as a fresh face, and a reformer. Well, hes reforming. It aint pleasant, many will be worse off, but it is necessary.

The irony of Thatcherite tories telling the working class that the EU is good for them.Make your mind up first we’re being told that the EU is good for the workers and we aren’t putting aside enough to cover our retirement needs.Then you’re saying that the employer classes can’t afford the resulting wage costs.Which is bleedin obvious if we’re going to make the lowest race to the bottom free market bidder the benchmark on income expectations.So which is it.Do you want East Euro Stalinist type poverty income and retirement expectations imposed across Europe or French expectations.

Thanks for the response.
I think my mind is made up on this subject, but I hope to be able to read any further input from you with an open mind.

Those Thatcherite, or other, Tories plus Lib-Dems, Socilaists, or Martians who believe the EU is good for them, are all arguing from different viewpoints, but arrive at the same correct conclusion.
Those Thatcherite, or other Tories plus Lib-Dems, Socialists, or Martians who believe the EU is bad for them, are all arguing from different viewpoints, and arrive at the same wrong conclusion.
(See? A well balanced argument)

The EU has no direct input into French pensions.

I do believe the French system is paying (and borrowing to fund it) too much in pensions.
I also believe the UK is paying too little.

Pensions shouldnt be an investment vehicle for speculators, and short term investors. They need heavy regulation to protect the future of those most affected by their success/failure. They shouldnt be based on private investment and contributions, whereby only the best paid get to retire above the poverty line.
If we have an equitable society we need to pay all the same in retirement. An ex-banker is worth as much as an ex-telephone hygienist*.

French expectations?
If thats a huge salary after a short working life, that aint realistic.
Almost as silly as “the easiest negotiations in history” and “all pluses, no down sides”…But some are still after that dream…

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Bigtruck3:

toonsy:
I know. I mean youd assume we would all have the same pensions across Europe with standardised retirement ages given that Brussels makes all the rules and doesn’t allow any decision to be made by each sovereign…

Oh… wait…

No such thing as standardised pension or age all are different

That’s kind of my point :wink:

There should be as the EU makes all the rules doesn’t it? Allegedly.

toonsy:

Bigtruck3:

toonsy:
I know. I mean youd assume we would all have the same pensions across Europe with standardised retirement ages given that Brussels makes all the rules and doesn’t allow any decision to be made by each sovereign…

Oh… wait…

No such thing as standardised pension or age all are different

That’s kind of my point :wink:

There should be as the EU makes all the rules doesn’t it? Allegedly.

In that case all cars would be the same price plus a lot of other things it don’t work that way only what suits each country

Bigtruck3:

toonsy:

Bigtruck3:

toonsy:
I know. I mean youd assume we would all have the same pensions across Europe with standardised retirement ages given that Brussels makes all the rules and doesn’t allow any decision to be made by each sovereign…

Oh… wait…

No such thing as standardised pension or age all are different

That’s kind of my point :wink:

There should be as the EU makes all the rules doesn’t it? Allegedly.

In that case all cars would be the same price plus a lot of other things it don’t work that way only what suits each country

No no you’re missing my point.

I thought we were leaving the EU because were fed up of unelected beaurocrats making rules for us to follow? Well different cars, pension ages, pension levels etc sort of flies in the face of that a bit.