London CAZ

[rearaxle]

Just been extended around other boundaries in the cesspit,even if you live in the zones as soon as you move your no compliant car you getting charged.

This is the start,other cities will follow .

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[Carryfast]

Just been extended around other boundaries in the cesspit,even if you live in the zones as soon as you move your no compliant car you getting charged.

This is the start,other cities will follow .

They want to be Londoners let them pay for it.But it's a transit tax for journeys starting and finishing outside London like Esher to Epsom via Chessington.
We should hit them with a 'congestion charge' to enter Surrey and Kent etc our own residents all exempt.

[lancpudn]

Mr Khan says his clean air & decongestion initiative will affect another 5 million more Londoners by the new boundary changes starting Aug 2023.
"‘Efforts to clean up the city’s air by extending the ULEZ to the whole of London will further improve the health of many Londoners. But the real prize is a pay per mile smart road user charging scheme, something Centre for London has supported for a number of years,’ said Centre for London Chief Executive, Nick Bowes.

‘"The fact is, ULEZ is analogue technology – a clunky flat fee regardless of how far, where and how often you travel. Technology and the world has moved on,’ he explained. ‘The Mayor should move as quickly as possible to implement pay per mile road user charging, as it would be a fairer scheme that delivers on multiple objectives: tackling congestion, improving air quality, promoting active travel, and generating income for TfL.’" https://airqualitynews.com/2022/11/29/5 ... sion-zone/

[the nodding donkey]

Just been extended around other boundaries in the cesspit,even if you live in the zones as soon as you move your no compliant car you getting charged.

This is the start,other cities will follow .

They want to be Londoners let them pay for it.But it's a transit tax for journeys starting and finishing outside London like Esher to Epsom via Chessington.
We should hit them with a 'congestion charge' to enter Surrey and Kent etc our own residents all exempt.

We?

[Carryfast]

Mr Khan says his clean air & decongestion initiative will affect another 5 million more Londoners by the new boundary changes starting Aug 2023.
"‘Efforts to clean up the city’s air by extending the ULEZ to the whole of London will further improve the health of many Londoners. But the real prize is a pay per mile smart road user charging scheme, something Centre for London has supported for a number of years,’ said Centre for London Chief Executive, Nick Bowes.

‘"The fact is, ULEZ is analogue technology – a clunky flat fee regardless of how far, where and how often you travel. Technology and the world has moved on,’ he explained. ‘The Mayor should move as quickly as possible to implement pay per mile road user charging, as it would be a fairer scheme that delivers on multiple objectives: tackling congestion, improving air quality, promoting active travel, and generating income for TfL.’" https://airqualitynews.com/2022/11/29/5 ... sion-zone/

It's an undemocratic coup imposing a minority policy.Khan has no mandate in the areas which were stolen from the surrounding counties to create his illegitimate empire.

[Juddian]

Once again the electorate only have themselves to blame.
They had the chance to vote him out at the last mayoral election, but presumably lunacy once again so they voted the same as before whilst expecting a different result.
We'll see the same lunacy in the general election, where more than likely wearing the red badges of the uniparty will win

and another bus went past

[the nodding donkey]

Once again the electorate only have themselves to blame.
They had the chance to vote him out at the last mayoral election, but presumably lunacy once again so they voted the same as before whilst expecting a different result.
We'll see the same lunacy in the general election, where more than likely wearing the red badges of the uniparty will win

and another bus went past

Have you considered that those living in London, may actually like cleaner air, and less congestion on their streets. Maybe that's why they vote for Khan.

Not everybody in this country wants to stay in the 1970's.....

[Carryfast]

Once again the electorate only have themselves to blame.
They had the chance to vote him out at the last mayoral election, but presumably lunacy once again so they voted the same as before whilst expecting a different result.
We'll see the same lunacy in the general election, where more than likely wearing the red badges of the uniparty will win

and another bus went past

Khan has no electoral mandate in boroughs like Kingston
The inner London vote is gerry mandered iacross what was and should still be the surrounding county lines.
All the result of the GLC boundary formed by the Tory London government act 1964.
Effectively Surrey and Kent are ruled by the Tower Hamlets and Haringey vote.
So here we are Bexley and Kingston in London not Kent and Surrey.

[Carryfast]

Once again the electorate only have themselves to blame.
They had the chance to vote him out at the last mayoral election, but presumably lunacy once again so they voted the same as before whilst expecting a different result.
We'll see the same lunacy in the general election, where more than likely wearing the red badges of the uniparty will win

and another bus went past

Have you considered that those living in London, may actually like cleaner air, and less congestion on their streets. Maybe that's why they vote for Khan.

Not everybody in this country wants to stay in the 1970's.....

But the majority don't want to go back to your Victorian utopia reliant on public transport and bicycles.
As for Londoners they've obviously got no problems with dumping their population and traffic problems on the surrounding counties.

[Carryfast]

Just been extended around other boundaries in the cesspit,even if you live in the zones as soon as you move your no compliant car you getting charged.

This is the start,other cities will follow .

They want to be Londoners let them pay for it.But it's a transit tax for journeys starting and finishing outside London like Esher to Epsom via Chessington.
We should hit them with a 'congestion charge' to enter Surrey and Kent etc our own residents all exempt.

We?

We as in Surrey, Kent and Hertfordshire.
So 'we' impose a 'congestion charge' of £12.50 per day on all London registered vehicles crossing our borders.
'We' also recover our lost Boroughs stolen and ultimately put under Khan's control by the Tory London government act.

[Franglais]

It's an undemocratic coup imposing a minority policy. **** has no mandate in the areas which were stolen from the surrounding count(r)ies to create his illegitimate empire.

****
Substitute in Hitler/Stalin/Putin and it might make more sense.


John Lewis dropped their fold slogan, maybe it could be re-purposed?
CarryFast: Never knowingly Understated.

Other contributors* would happily fit under the same banner, too.


*Ed. I mean TNUK contributors generally, not just this thread.

[Macski]

Once again the electorate only have themselves to blame.
They had the chance to vote him out at the last mayoral election, but presumably lunacy once again so they voted the same as before whilst expecting a different result.
We'll see the same lunacy in the general election, where more than likely wearing the red badges of the uniparty will win

and another bus went past

Have you considered that those living in London, may actually like cleaner air, and less congestion on their streets. Maybe that's why they vote for Khan.

Not everybody in this country wants to stay in the 1970's.....

Yes, in witch case cars should be banned all together or a charge imposed that reflects the value if a car, on everyone, so for example if the Mayor of London decides to drive his dog for a walk in the park in his V8 Jaguar and two security cars he should pay a charge too. People who already own a non compliant car should not have to pay.

Incidentally cars older than 40 years old are also exempt

Sadiq Khar - Labour - for the less well off in our society.

[lancpudn]

It's the first time I've read that the compliance rates will be going up YOY for non compliant vehicles in the expanded ULEZ.

"TfL says that 95% of vehicles in the zone are expected to be compliant when the expanded ULEZ goes live, avoiding the £12.50-a-day charge, and compliance rates will increase incrementally each year thereafter"
"There is also a £110m scrappage scheme. which is due to launch on January 30, that will offer about £2,000 to scrap a non-compliant vehicle."
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ... first-year

[Carryfast]

It's the first time I've read that the compliance rates will be going up YOY for non compliant vehicles in the expanded ULEZ.

"TfL says that 95% of vehicles in the zone are expected to be compliant when the expanded ULEZ goes live, avoiding the £12.50-a-day charge, and compliance rates will increase incrementally each year thereafter"
"There is also a £110m scrappage scheme. which is due to launch on January 30, that will offer about £2,000 to scrap a non-compliant vehicle."
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ... first-year

They aren't going to pay anyone 2k to scrap a car that's only worth 1k.
While no one is going to scrap something that's worth 5-10k for 2k.
As for compliance are they saying that the emissions threshold will be lowered from what's compliant now ?.

[lancpudn]

It's the first time I've read that the compliance rates will be going up YOY for non compliant vehicles in the expanded ULEZ.

"TfL says that 95% of vehicles in the zone are expected to be compliant when the expanded ULEZ goes live, avoiding the £12.50-a-day charge, and compliance rates will increase incrementally each year thereafter"
"There is also a £110m scrappage scheme. which is due to launch on January 30, that will offer about £2,000 to scrap a non-compliant vehicle."
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ... first-year

They aren't going to pay anyone 2k to scrap a car that's only worth 1k.
While no one is going to scrap something that's worth 5-10k for 2k.
As for compliance are they saying that the emissions threshold will be lowered from what's compliant now ?.

Not sure if the threshold will be lowered, The Brussels 'Fit for 55' lot are back at the table this week after the xmas break to thrash out the finer points of emission levels or whether e-fuels/ bio-fuels will be allowed into the mix. Still not seen anything in writing whether all ULEZ,CAZ,ZEZ's will auto roll over to the new Euro 7 standard when it comes into force which would push a lot more vehicles into non compliance if that happens. At present it's euro 4 for petrol,euro 6 for diesel & euro 3 for motorbikes/mopeds.

My Rover 2000 75 2.5 V6 Connoisseur is euro 3 & will be banned from all upcoming ULEZ's around the country. Not sure what I'm going to do with it to be honest.

[Carryfast]

My Rover 2000 75 2.5 V6 Connoisseur is euro 3 & will be banned from all upcoming ULEZ's around the country. Not sure what I'm going to do with it to be honest.

3 choices.1 Pay the charge, 2 convert to EV or 3 take the 2k scrappage.
Front wheel drive badge engineered Honda 3 is a no brainer.
Meanwhile check out the values of 2007 manual 3 litre BMW 3 series estates no one is going to be scrapping one of those for 2k.
Meanwhile the 6.0 litre V12 Jag is exempt from next year I'll probably take it up to 6.8 to celebrate my pension age and it being the last of the Leyland Jags.

[lancpudn]

It's beginning to snowball now Gloucestershire & surrounding district councils now joining the fray.

"Councils in Gloucestershire set what they describe as ‘a significant milestone’ by signing an agreement to work together on a county-wide project to tackle transport decarbonisation and achieve net zero emissions by 2045.



"The agreement was signed by Gloucestershire County Council, along with all the district councils in the region including Cheltenham Borough Council, Cotswold District Council, Forest of Dean District Council, Gloucester City Council, Stroud District Council, and Tewkesbury Borough Council. https://www.localgov.co.uk/Glouceste...greement/5546

[lancpudn]

Ouch! the new ULEZ is going top be spendy for some people. https://todaynewspost.com/news/world/uk ... expansion/

[rearaxle]

They just don't want you to have a banger as such, I said this ages ago on here, if folk think the second hand market was going to be booming when EV's take over you living in coockoo land, just tax you to the heavens. This proves it.

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