When to turn the fridge off

Why be a KING when you can be a GOD ? :wink:

Since it’s considered a danger to the load once the temp rises “above” -12c, I like to pre-freeze the trailer, switch the back blower off whilst it’s being loaded, back on when completed and the doors are closed, and then you don’t have this daft situation where stuff has been brought out of the freezer, loaded into an ambient temp trailer that only THEN gets “switched on”, maybe as late as pulling off the bay and closing the barn doors.

At the other end, if I’m opening barn doors to tip, I’ll switch the rear blower off, open the doors, back onto the bay, and then switch the front main blower off as soon as they actually start to tip, which hopefully will be within 5 minutes of my docking.

I generally disregard so-called “noise pollution” instructions, since there are plenty of daft firms out there that would have drivers turn the freezer off before driving through the residential area at night to get to the depot. Well hard cheese! Either the public want to risk food poisoning for a bit more peace and quiet at night, or there’s always the notion of moving house if you really don’t like living near an industrial estate that much!

The whole notion of temperature control is that you keep the load within the safe temperature boundaries to the best of one’s ability. That means (to me) “exposing the load to as short a period to above -12 as possible” paying special attention to the loading and unloading periods, where you see some bay staff from time to time insist on the driver putting it on a bay, demanding thatthe driver turns the freezer off, annoyed that someone like me hadn’t apparently done so whilst driving through aforementioned residential estate, and then buggering off for a break leaving the stuff on the back, yet to be tipped - and now thawing out nicely! WTF?

There’s so much bad practice about… Who takes the eventual hit when a lot more stuff gets skipped than need be? I get the distinct impression that it isn’t the firm - because they don’t seem to give a ■■■■ about losing money in this way - but they don’t then hesitate to clip worker’s pay at every and any opportunity! :imp:

Winseer:
Since it’s considered a danger to the load once the temp rises “above” -12c, I like to pre-freeze the trailer, switch the back blower off whilst it’s being loaded, back on when completed and the doors are closed, and then you don’t have this daft situation where stuff has been brought out of the freezer, loaded into an ambient temp trailer that only THEN gets “switched on”, maybe as late as pulling off the bay and closing the barn doors.

At the other end, if I’m opening barn doors to tip, I’ll switch the rear blower off, open the doors, back onto the bay, and then switch the front main blower off as soon as they actually start to tip, which hopefully will be within 5 minutes of my docking.

I generally disregard so-called “noise pollution” instructions, since there are plenty of daft firms out there that would have drivers turn the freezer off before driving through the residential area at night to get to the depot. Well hard cheese! Either the public want to risk food poisoning for a bit more peace and quiet at night, or there’s always the notion of moving house if you really don’t like living near an industrial estate that much!

The whole notion of temperature control is that you keep the load within the safe temperature boundaries to the best of one’s ability. That means (to me) “exposing the load to as short a period to above -12 as possible” paying special attention to the loading and unloading periods, where you see some bay staff from time to time insist on the driver putting it on a bay, demanding thatthe driver turns the freezer off, annoyed that someone like me hadn’t apparently done so whilst driving through aforementioned residential estate, and then buggering off for a break leaving the stuff on the back, yet to be tipped - and now thawing out nicely! WTF?

There’s so much bad practice about… Who takes the eventual hit when a lot more stuff gets skipped than need be? I get the distinct impression that it isn’t the firm - because they don’t seem to give a ■■■■ about losing money in this way - but they don’t then hesitate to clip worker’s pay at every and any opportunity! :imp:

False prophet, this is heracy!

Sent you a PM uktramp

Still doesn’t explain why UKTramp is driving a truck instead of charging £300 a day as a consultant in his field of expertise?

DonutUK:
Still doesn’t explain why UKTramp is driving a truck instead of charging £300 a day as a consultant in his field of expertise?

If I could turn water into wine, I wouldn’t go back to work…

DonutUK:
Still doesn’t explain why UKTramp is driving a truck instead of charging £300 a day as a consultant in his field of expertise?

I will give you two very good honest answers to your provocative question.
(1) I enjoy what I do.
(2) I don’t need the money.
Just for the record, my last consultancy fee was in the £450 per day area. :open_mouth:
I don’t expect you to understand this simple reason, however at times I do undertake research & development projects if it interests me. An example is that I developed a new cold store which blew the chilled air underneath pallets on the floor. A simple idea but it solved a few problems for one supermarket chain. Meat storage in Dolavs for fresh was a main problem as it is essentially an enclosed pallet and storing frozen in them presented some major problems. Any way I could continue this for ever but I fear it will fall on deaf ears. When it suits me I do indeed pop in and out of driving. My choice though. Education & knowledge is a wonderful thing, it gives me choices.

the nodding donkey:
If I could turn water into wine, I wouldn’t go back to work…

You mean you wouldn’t be able to get up for work :laughing:

UKtramp:
. Any way I could continue this for ever.

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Come back Carryfast all is forgiven. :laughing:

You may be telling the truth, you may not, I’m inclined to think you are but there is a simple reason people don’t believe you - anyone who’s been in this industry for any length of time has come across many ‘I’m rich/I have a huge business/I had a million pound inheritance/I’m a captain of industry’ types. Last one I met was telling me he had £5m in bank almost before I said hello! Personally I perfectly get why you drive trucks despite being able to earn a weeks wage in a day elsewhere…it’s easy, it’s stress free, you have no real responsiblity and drifting round listening to Radio all day is a great way to live in my opinion. My three closest friends earn insane amounts of money, at least 3 times what I earn (and earn a fairly good amount for a truck driver) and you know what? I wouldn’t swap for all the money in the world. Their stress levels are insane, they’re never allowed to or can’t switch off. One even had to sit in camper van working for a day at Glastonbury because a project went ■■■■ up. He also has to travel so so much it’d give you nosebleeds! So unlike the others I get it

UKtramp:
An example is that I developed a new cold store which blew the chilled air underneath pallets on the floor.

Far be it from me to tell you how to do your job but isnnt there a very good reason cold air is blown in at ceiling height ? I.e that cold air drops. Surly blowing it in at floor level means there would be a fairly large temp variation between top and bottom of pallet

switchlogic:
You may be telling the truth, you may not, I’m inclined to think you are but there is a simple reason people don’t believe you - anyone who’s been in this industry for any length of time has come across many ‘I’m rich/I have a huge business/I had a million pound inheritance/I’m a captain of industry’ types. Last one I met was telling me he had £5m in bank almost before I said hello! Personally I perfectly get why you drive trucks despite being able to earn a weeks wage in a day elsewhere…it’s easy, it’s stress free, you have no real responsiblity and drifting round listening to Radio all day is a great way to live in my opinion. My three closest friends earn insane amounts of money, at least 3 times what I earn (and earn a fairly good amount for a truck driver) and you know what? I wouldn’t swap for all the money in the world. Their stress levels are insane, they’re never allowed to or can’t switch off. One even had to sit in camper van working for a day at Glastonbury because a project went ■■■■ up. He also has to travel so so much it’d give you nosebleeds! So unlike the others I get it

Out of respect to you Luke, I am being honest but it is a difficult one to explain to those who do not understand and I completely get why they don’t understand. You summed it up in a nutshell with your reasoning. I am not a millionaire by any shot, however I have a good earning potential and have earned enough money in the past to keep me in a comfortable lifestyle. My driving actually allows me more freedom than I have ever had from my previous positions. I will say this as you have actually posted a good reply, most supermarket fresh and frozen legislation and storage temps are taken from advice I have either researched & perfected for them or they have simply taken guide lines from my teams findings. That is the truth of the matter. I may poke fun on here but if someone actually hears and recognises some form of truth in what I say. I will not make a fool of anyone by them being sincere. I am being honest and actually am taken by surprise of your openness to accept there is an element of truth in what I profess. You yourself must understand my reasoning from some experience you have, which I and possibly others would find a fascinating read if you care to post.

UKtramp:

switchlogic:
You may be telling the truth, you may not, I’m inclined to think you are but there is a simple reason people don’t believe you - anyone who’s been in this industry for any length of time has come across many ‘I’m rich/I have a huge business/I had a million pound inheritance/I’m a captain of industry’ types. Last one I met was telling me he had £5m in bank almost before I said hello! Personally I perfectly get why you drive trucks despite being able to earn a weeks wage in a day elsewhere…it’s easy, it’s stress free, you have no real responsiblity and drifting round listening to Radio all day is a great way to live in my opinion. My three closest friends earn insane amounts of money, at least 3 times what I earn (and earn a fairly good amount for a truck driver) and you know what? I wouldn’t swap for all the money in the world. Their stress levels are insane, they’re never allowed to or can’t switch off. One even had to sit in camper van working for a day at Glastonbury because a project went ■■■■ up. He also has to travel so so much it’d give you nosebleeds! So unlike the others I get it

Out of respect to you Luke, I am being honest but it is a difficult one to explain to those who do not understand and I completely get why they don’t understand. You summed it up in a nutshell with your reasoning. I am not a millionaire by any shot, however I have a good earning potential and have earned enough money in the past to keep me in a comfortable lifestyle. My driving actually allows me more freedom than I have ever had from my previous positions. I will say this as you have actually posted a good reply, most supermarket fresh and frozen legislation and storage temps are taken from advice I have either researched & perfected for them or they have simply taken guide lines from my teams findings. That is the truth of the matter. I may poke fun on here but if someone actually hears and recognises some form of truth in what I say. I will not make a fool of anyone by them being sincere. I am being honest and actually am taken by surprise of your openness to accept there is an element of truth in what I profess. You yourself must understand my reasoning from some experience you have, which I and possibly others would find a fascinating read if you care to post.

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switchlogic:

UKtramp:
An example is that I developed a new cold store which blew the chilled air underneath pallets on the floor.

Far be it from me to tell you how to do your job but isnnt there a very good reason cold air is blown in at ceiling height ? I.e that cold air drops. Surly blowing it in at floor level means there would be a fairly large temp variation between top and bottom of pallet

Ok you are sort of on the right lines, I will try to explain my findings in a few short lines to which you must understand this is sort of a really quick explanation taken from years of calculations and research. If you have a cold store set at say -18 for example, in order to get air flow around the product the evaporators are set high into the roof space, this isn’t ideal but it allows greater racking storage height. If the airflow is not constant you will get warm areas, warm areas are not what you would feel on your skin, cold air drops, warm air rises, however to maintain a -18 cold store you need to be evaporating at a 10 degree differential. Therefore your evaporating at -28. when the cold air falls through the air it warms up and by the time it reaches the bottom it has lost a lot of energy you have put in. By placing fans at the floor space circulates this air and stops it warming and rising. Thus at the same time is more energy efficient and the bi product is a better more uniform freeze. This is a greatly simplified explanation but one I feel you deserve.

Deserve?

Intelligent? Almost certainly.

Patronising? Most definitely.

That’s actually very interesting thank you

UKtramp:

DonutUK:
Still doesn’t explain why UKTramp is driving a truck instead of charging £300 a day as a consultant in his field of expertise?

I will give you two very good honest answers to your provocative question.
(1) I enjoy what I do.
(2) I don’t need the money.
Just for the record, my last consultancy fee was in the £450 per day area. :open_mouth:
I don’t expect you to understand this simple reason, however at times I do undertake research & development projects if it interests me. An example is that I developed a new cold store which blew the chilled air underneath pallets on the floor. A simple idea but it solved a few problems for one supermarket chain. Meat storage in Dolavs for fresh was a main problem as it is essentially an enclosed pallet and storing frozen in them presented some major problems. Any way I could continue this for ever but I fear it will fall on deaf ears. When it suits me I do indeed pop in and out of driving. My choice though. Education & knowledge is a wonderful thing, it gives me choices.

Like Luke, I do totally understand why some may prefer to drive for a living rather than pursue a more stressful, higher earning career.

Also, Luke is correct about why there is so much cynicism about peoples stories in this industry…there are always people who were on that balcony, or just missed that ferry…

You may well be telling the truth…unfortunately your incredibly patronising and condescending attitude immediately makes people want you to be lying.

I’m still erring on the side of caution and calling ■■■■■■■■■, because in this industry it’s safer to treat peoples claims as crap until proven otherwise!

DonutUK:
Like Luke, I do totally understand why some may prefer to drive for a living rather than pursue a more stressful, higher earning career.

Also, Luke is correct about why there is so much cynicism about peoples stories in this industry…there are always people who were on that balcony, or just missed that ferry…

You may well be telling the truth…unfortunately your incredibly patronising and condescending attitude immediately makes people want you to be lying.

I’m still erring on the side of caution and calling [zb], because in this industry it’s safer to treat peoples claims as crap until proven otherwise!

No problem ■■■■■ I fully understand any ones skepticism, I have designed cold storage facilities around the world, I now drive a truck for a living, what is there to be anything but skeptical, I get it entirely. I take no offence from any one in your frame of mind, however on your theory of some missing the ferry, believe me when I say any one can change their life through education and at any age too. I have colleagues completing PhD at some very ripe ages and from various back grounds. Being a trucker also allows for a great study time, I drove all through my University education to top up my grants.I have some very humble beginnings albeit I am from a wealthy family. I was the black sheep and to some degree still probably am, although my family are exceptionally proud of some of my works.

Cold storage CEO. (University degree. Rich papa. Two years in the job)
“Blimey, we’ve increased the size of this new cold storage facility by about 10 times and doubled the height, and suddenly we can’t seem to keep the temperature steady by just blowing cold air in from the top. What ever can we do?”

Cold store employee. (3 gcse. 26 years in cold storage depot)
“Stands to reason, its a bigger space, blow it in from top and bottom”

Cold storage CEO.
“Don’t be ridiculous, what do you know about refrigeration? We’ll engage a specialist consultant”

Specialist consultant.
“I have spend 6 months writing this 397 page report, and recommend that you blow air in from both the top and the bottom of the warehouse. That’ll be £260.000 ta very much.”

Cold storage CEO.
“Due to expenditure this year, there will be no bonus for the employees. But because I solved the cooling problem, I get a £50.000 bonus, and extra share options”

the nodding donkey:
Cold storage CEO. (University degree. Rich papa. Two years in the job)
“Blimey, we’ve increased the size of this new cold storage facility by about 10 times and doubled the height, and suddenly we can’t seem to keep the temperature steady by just blowing cold air in from the top. What ever can we do?”

Cold store employee. (3 gcse. 26 years in cold storage depot)
“Stands to reason, its a bigger space, blow it in from top and bottom”

Cold storage CEO.
“Don’t be ridiculous, what do you know about refrigeration? We’ll engage a specialist consultant”

Specialist consultant.
“I have spend 6 months writing this 397 page report, and recommend that you blow air in from both the top and the bottom of the warehouse. That’ll be £260.000 ta very much.”

Cold storage CEO.
“Due to expenditure this year, there will be no bonus for the employees. But because I solved the cooling problem, I get a £50.000 bonus, and extra share options”

Little bit more complex than that Donkey. Try calculating it yourself, you need the correct temps and airflow. Not simply blowing air. Stick to what you do best and pop my text into a grammar checker. Your making yourself look insane.