Rjan:
It’s not “terrorism” to reply with violence to the policies of a totally undemocratic government. Mandela himself said they’d tried all peaceful means, and that it dawned on them that nothing less than violence would break the back of racist white rule in Southern Africa, and so it proved to be.
Look on the bright side it’s my guess that Tramp just chose to lie his way out the question at least you’ve told the truth in showing the stinking hypocrisy of zb Communists.
Carryfast:
Look on the bright side it’s my guess that Tramp just chose to lie his way out the question at least you’ve told the truth in showing the stinking hypocrisy of zb Communists.
Not at all. It is due to your lack of understanding of the subject and your twisting of words, you have simply added 2+2 and made 5. But then that’s what you do, read google and repeat what you read right or wrong it doesn’t really matter to you, or to anyone else for that matter. You have no idea of the principles or motives behind the ANC. Even less of an idea what apartheid was born from. The reason for my asking you your views on SA was because I knew you were clueless but I just wanted to see you type your gibberish usual lack of understanding. My brother still lives in SA so I am quite current with the views and opinions, my experience stems from me living there from childhood.
UKtramp:
Carryfast:
It seems that our views regarding South Africa are closer than you tried to pretend here.White Flight race hate crime ?.Or freedom to choose what is effectively apartheid and say it ?.
Indigenous rule fair for South Africa then it’s also fair for us ?.
Our views could not be any more dissimilar, I never was nor would I ever support the views of Apartheid. Nelson mandella along with his wife Winnie, were guilty of some terrible crimes against humanity. Only after his release from prison did he appear to be a reformed character.The white people of SA knew the truth. The ANC was very much like the IRA provisional’s of Ireland. Nothing more.
It’s clear that Mandela’s crimes were all in the name of Communism.Ironically a bit like the continuity IRA’s agenda having nothing to do with Nationalism and everything to do with imposing unwanted Socialist type rule on a different demographic.
No surprise you didn’t answer the question related to White Flight.Race hate crime ?.
Or just the freedom to choose to associate with a different ethnic and political demographic or not.Or even to associate at a slower pace and/or at a lower level,of choice ?.
Assuming the latter what’s the big difference between that and apartheid ?.While assuming the former you’re going to be sending a lot of people to the gulag.
Or at best you’re going to end up with a lot of ■■■■■■ off people who no longer give a zb about the country or its future.That will work out well when that happens to be the wealth/food creating white population of South Africa and Rhodesia.Oh wait colour and ethnicity matters.Especially when those like you want to import the savage demographics of radical Asian Islam here.
UKtramp:
Rjan:
It’s a total twisting of history to suggest that most blacks wanted whites out. What they wanted an end to was white-only rule and the white-imposed system of apartheid.Quite true, unfortunately the ANC wanted the blacks to rule and then the troubles began. It was the Kwa Zulu population that had suffered from the white influence by being forced out of their homes and land, naturally they wanted it back. Apartheid was being phased out by allowing the black community’s to work in the cities during the day but by night if they were not resident in a white mans home in their work capacity, then they had to leave the towns and return to their own communities. Towns on the outskirts of the cities. This was all very recent and hence the ANC was born. This of course is put in a nutshell but is what has happened, now the Zulu and black community’s realise that they cannot run the economy as they first thought.
But for urbanised blacks, the towns were their communities, the centre of economic life, and the place was built mostly on the back of their labour.
The real purpose of apartheid was not to defend the whites’ better management, but to avoid the whites having to be subject to real meritocracy in a common economic endeavour, and in some cases accept black levels of wages. In general, the story in Southern Africa overall has not been of a total wipeout of white ownership and control, but of starker differences between haves and have-nots, an increase in lawlessness and insecurity as a legacy of struggle, and an exodus of skills and experience.
In Zimbabwe, Mugabe’s rule was vexed by both cronyism (as usually characterises military coups) and demands to placate “war veterans” at the expense of white losers, which is why they have been hit particularly hard. The main obstacle to earlier reform in Rhodesia especially was that it had sustained a lot of white immigration, drawing in those who maintained strong European links in terms of their culture and economic expectations, and who had moved there specifically to join the boss class, with massive influxes in the 50s. I’m not sure there was ever a point where the majority of whites were actually born in the country.
And even though Nelson Mandela was able to go to jail in middle age as a terrorist and emerge in old age as a magnanimous statesman with worldwide recognition and respect, the reality on the ground is that war and violence leaves a scar of grievances and a mentality of visceral anger and hatred behind, which will only really disappear as a political force once the majority of the population consists of those born after the apartheid regimes were smashed or dismantled, and thus never knew those who were killed nor experienced the regime for themselves.
Also remember the function of revolution is not to improve things in itself, it is to clear the ground to allow better things to grow, as well as being the ultimate threat which disciplines the the ruling class. You see shades of this with Brexit, where amongst ordinary people you have all sorts of barking-mad ideas and a total disregard for expected consequences and expert opinion, because the real driving force amongst many is a deep sense of anger and dissatisfaction, and the function of it is really to destroy an unacceptable status quo.
So it makes no sense to crow that the whites were better economic managers after all, because nobody seriously disputes that the incumbents are almost always are better managers. The point is that malign ideologies and a sense of superiority can take hold amongst the incumbents, and if they aren’t willing to discard it themselves then eventually they have to be disposed of as a package, and all have to accept that there is then going to be a period during which things settle back down and management experience is redeveloped (or in the case of the blacks in Africa, really develop their entire civil and political culture and social fabric to modern standards for the first time).
Carryfast:
You seem to have conveniently missed the bit that reporting restrictions of ongoing cases didn’t seem to apply in the case of non Muslims like Rolph Harris.There’s also no proof that Tommy was referring to anything other than concluded cases not trials in progress regardless.While make your mind up was it breach of the peace or contempt of court.youtube.com/watch?v=_8CPF1mK9Fo
Spare us the rest of the other conviction bs when the Mandela example of the terrorist who was congratulated by the Queen has clearly blown that zb out of the water.
Robinson may have believed that his reporting on the case in question, may not have influenced future cases, but since he is highly unlikely to know about future cases maybe we should accept that he was at the least reckless, and reckless not with his own future but with the possible conviction of any further guilty parties.
Robinsons previous convictions show a character who is violent as a football hooligan, and lies for his own financial gain. It doesnt show someone who uses force as a last resort, or with reluctance.
I really enjoyed your previous to “The Specials”, thanks.
And I ve stopped the above link at 46 seconds....Paul Weston.... First he "assumes" that Robinsons imprisonment is influenced by the newly appointed Sajid Javid. We all know what assumptions are, and can ignore them.
Secondly, “Tommy was accused of breaching the peace, which is a lie”. Well, Robinson was jailed for Contempt of Court, so we can see where the lie is, cant we. Thirdly, "Britains heavily politicised paramilitary police force". Really?? Armed police, yes, but paramilitary?
Next, “In a van to court, then straight to prison”. Forgetting to mention that he was tried in an open court, with his legal team present, of course. And at that hearing he admitted Contempt of Court of course.
Thats up to 28seconds.... I quite honestly cant be arsed writing any more about this video.
He seems such an angry man, who hates this country of ours so much. He shows no respect for our justice system, and way of life, society, freedoms and values doesnt he? I do wonder why he doesnt just go somewhere else with his own kind?
Mandela ?
Robinson isnt fit to be his shoe shine boy. Comparing Robinson whose lawyer expressed Robinsons “deep regret” for what he had done, i.e.contempt and endangering a trial, to a man who refused to apologize, even against the threat of a death sentence, for sabotage* against a repressive regime is as you might say " `aving a larf".
Note Mandela was convicted of violence primarily against “things”, not with being a football hooligan. He used violence as a last resort against a repressive regime, he wasnt a thug with his own selfish agenda. South Africa may be going down a rocky road at the moment, but that cant be laid at Mandelas feet can it? Corruption and nepotism in a country less than 25 years old in its current form? Are they doing so bad compared with many older countries? How many centuries is it since the UK did away with hereditary rights and eliminated political corruption? Well, obviously none, yet.
Franglais:
Robinson may have believed that his reporting on the case in question, may not have influenced future cases, but since he is highly unlikely to know about future cases maybe we should accept that he was at the least reckless, and reckless not with his own future but with the possible conviction of any further guilty parties.
Robinsons previous convictions show a character who is violent as a football hooligan, and lies for his own financial gain. It doesnt show someone who uses force as a last resort, or with reluctance.I really enjoyed your previous to “The Specials”, thanks.
And I
ve stopped the above link at 46 seconds....Paul Weston.... First he "assumes" that Robinsons imprisonment is influenced by the newly appointed Sajid Javid. We all know what assumptions are, and can ignore them.
Secondly, “Tommy was accused of breaching the peace, which is a lie”. Well, Robinson was jailed for Contempt of Court, so we can see where the lie is, cant we. Thirdly, "Britains heavily politicised paramilitary police force". Really?? Armed police, yes, but paramilitary?
Next, “In a van to court, then straight to prison”. Forgetting to mention that he was tried in an open court, with his legal team present, of course. And at that hearing he admitted Contempt of Court of course.
Thats up to 28seconds.... I quite honestly cant be arsed writing any more about this video.
He seems such an angry man, who hates this country of ours so much. He shows no respect for our justice system, and way of life, society, freedoms and values doesnt he? I do wonder why he doesnt just go somewhere else with his own kind?Mandela ?
Robinson isnt fit to be his shoe shine boy. Comparing Robinson whose lawyer expressed Robinsons “deep regret” for what he had done, i.e.contempt and endangering a trial, to a man who refused to apologize, even against the threat of a death sentence, for sabotage* against a repressive regime is as you might say " `aving a larf".Note Mandela was convicted of violence primarily against “things”, not with being a football hooligan. He used violence as a last resort against a repressive regime, he wasn
t a thug with his own selfish agenda. South Africa may be going down a rocky road at the moment, but that cant be laid at Mandelas feet can it? Corruption and nepotism in a country less than 25 years old in its current form? Are they doing so bad compared with many older countries? How many centuries is it since the UK did away with hereditary rights and eliminated political corruption? Well, obviously none, yet.
You haven’t actually explained the inconsistency in fact that he was definitely arrested for a breach of the peace and convicted for contempt of court.You do know that ‘his legal team’ were actually told not to attend the court.You’ve admitted yourself that he was reporting on concluded cases in which case it’s you who’s only making assumptions from that point when you know the test is proof beyond reasonable doubt that he wasn’t.
As for your laughable double standards to defend the Communist terrorist Mandela while crucifying Robinson that can be given the same credibility as your attempt to smear Paul Weston.You know the same Paul Weston who was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill.Remind us exactly what happened in that case.Here’s a clue it wasn’t a victory for those who support the import of Wahabbist/Hanafist Islam into the country in large part based on uk foreign policy of appeasing the Saudi savages.
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.
Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.
But it wasn’t prosperous, was it? Most of the blacks were living in slums, were harassed by the police on the streets, under dictatorial rule and without a shred of democratic representation. What you mean is prosperous for the white boss class!
Just because blacks refuse to be little more than farm animals and be happy with full stomachs for a hard day’s work, whilst the whites cream the riches off for themselves and aren’t willing to accept equal social status or living standards that are proportionate to their actual economic productivity, doesn’t make the blacks unreasonable. And then, having pursued oppressive racism and brutality for decades but then having lost the battle decisively, the whites who’ve made the mess complain that they are living in an insecure and lawless country.
Carryfast:
You haven’t actually explained the inconsistency in fact that he was definitely arrested for a breach of the peace and convicted for contempt of court.You do know that ‘his legal team’ were actually told not to attend the court.
It is not unusual to arrest someone on a “holding charge”, which may be subsequently dropped, before being charged with another offence. It is a common tactic to avoid “double jeopardy” I believe. Just/Proper, or not, it isnt particularly sinister. And yes, youre right, we should all feel sympathy for Mr Robinson who clearly has no control over what his legal team, says and does. Poor little man.
Carryfast:
You’ve admitted yourself that he was reporting on concluded cases in which case it’s you who’s only making assumptions from that point when you know the test is proof beyond reasonable doubt that he wasn’t.
I “admitted” no such thing. And since he admitted to Contempt Of Court what proof is needed? (Spoiler Alert: the answer is none).
Carryfast:
As for your laughable double standards to defend the Communist terrorist Mandela while crucifying Robinson that can be given the same credibility as your attempt to smear Paul Weston.
“Communist” Mandela? The first president of the Rainbow State? The one who signed exactly how many deals, with how many communist states? Spoiler Alert… Stick any label on him you like, but judge a man by his actions…
Paul Weston? Id never heard of him until clicking onto that link of yours. A few more seconds of that video has him referring to Robinson and “D-Notices”. More nonsense. Robinsons trial was initially subject to a reporting restriction, as happens in some court cases. Not a D-Notice to do with National Security, and after all a man who cant control his own lawyer is hardly a serious threat to the country is he? If Mr Weston can`t get past 45seconds in his own video without making such basic errors I will not subject myself to a full minute of him, thank you.
Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.
South Africa currently the only African country in the G-20.
Historical statistics
This is a chart of the trend of South Africa’s gross domestic product (GDP) at market prices estimated by the International Monetary Fund:[34]
Year GDP, US$ bln US dollar exchange in early January Unemployment rate Per capita income, in US$
1980 80.547 0.8267 Rand[35] 9.2 2764
1985 57.273 2.0052 Rand[35] 15.5 1736
1990 111.998 2.5419 Rand[35] 16.0 3039
1995 151.117 3.5486 Rand[35] 16.7 3684
2000 132.964 6.1188 Rand[35] 25.6 2986
2005 246.956 5.6497 Rand[35] 26.7 5267
2010 363.655 7.462 Rand[36] 24.9 7274
2015 510.937 15.52 Rand[37] 22.8 5744[38]
Youll note the drop in Per capita income under white rule 80 to 85. A 30% drop. Just like another smaller blip in 95 following Mandelas coming to power in turbulent times. And the subsequent rise in his hands.
Not a smooth rise in recent times, tis true. The same as all world economies S.A. has had hard times.
Unemployment is on a par with some Eu countries.
The Rand is worth 5 times more against the dollar from Mandela`s time.
It is not a perfect country to do business, by some western standards*, maybe. But a “basket case”? The facts do not support that statement.
Im not setting Mandela up as a saint, nor S.A. as paradise. It isnt. There are social and economic problems there, of course. The same as most other countries have too.
*(Some western countries still use bribery remember, but we don`t want to mention James Finley, Keith Barnett and Louis Zuurhout at Rolls Royce do we?)
Rjan:
Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.But it wasn’t prosperous, was it? Most of the blacks were living in slums, were harassed by the police on the streets, under dictatorial rule and without a shred of democratic representation. What you mean is prosperous for the white boss class!
Meanwhile the camera doesn’t lie and says different.
youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PzshHuIE
Let’s make it full on Soviet Socialist ■■■■■■.Soon to be under Chinese workers’ paradise rule that will fix it.Rjan’s red army coming to a place near you soon.
youtube.com/watch?v=8DMedmh1OAM
Franglais:
Carryfast:
You haven’t actually explained the inconsistency in fact that he was definitely arrested for a breach of the peace and convicted for contempt of court.You do know that ‘his legal team’ were actually told not to attend the court.It is not unusual to arrest someone on a “holding charge”, which may be subsequently dropped, before being charged with another offence. It is a common tactic to avoid “double jeopardy” I believe. Just/Proper, or not, it isn
t particularly sinister. And yes, youre right, we should all feel sympathy for Mr Robinson who clearly has no control over what his legal team, says and does. Poor little man.Carryfast:
You’ve admitted yourself that he was reporting on concluded cases in which case it’s you who’s only making assumptions from that point when you know the test is proof beyond reasonable doubt that he wasn’t.I “admitted” no such thing. And since he admitted to Contempt Of Court what proof is needed? (Spoiler Alert: the answer is none).
Carryfast:
As for your laughable double standards to defend the Communist terrorist Mandela while crucifying Robinson that can be given the same credibility as your attempt to smear Paul Weston.“Communist” Mandela? The first president of the Rainbow State? The one who signed exactly how many deals, with how many communist states? Spoiler Alert… Stick any label on him you like, but judge a man by his actions…
Paul Weston? Id never heard of him until clicking onto that link of yours. A few more seconds of that video has him referring to Robinson and “D-Notices”. More nonsense. Robinsons trial was initially subject to a reporting restriction, as happens in some court cases. Not a D-Notice to do with National Security, and after all a man who cant control his own lawyer is hardly a serious threat to the country is he? If Mr Weston can`t get past 45seconds in his own video without making such basic errors I will not subject myself to a full minute of him, thank you.Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.South Africa currently the only African country in the G-20.
Historical statistics
This is a chart of the trend of South Africa’s gross domestic product (GDP) at market prices estimated by the International Monetary Fund:[34]Year GDP, US$ bln US dollar exchange in early January Unemployment rate Per capita income, in US$
1980 80.547 0.8267 Rand[35] 9.2 2764
1985 57.273 2.0052 Rand[35] 15.5 1736
1990 111.998 2.5419 Rand[35] 16.0 3039
1995 151.117 3.5486 Rand[35] 16.7 3684
2000 132.964 6.1188 Rand[35] 25.6 2986
2005 246.956 5.6497 Rand[35] 26.7 5267
2010 363.655 7.462 Rand[36] 24.9 7274
2015 510.937 15.52 Rand[37] 22.8 5744[38]You
ll note the drop in Per capita income under white rule 80 to 85. A 30% drop. Just like another smaller blip in 95 following Mandelas coming to power in turbulent times. And the subsequent rise in his hands.
Not a smooth rise in recent times, tis true. The same as all world economies S.A. has had hard times.
Unemployment is on a par with some Eu countries.
The Rand is worth 5 times more against the dollar from Mandela`s time.
It is not a perfect country to do business, by some western standards*, maybe. But a “basket case”? The facts do not support that statement.
South African Rand is worth more than 10 times less than it was under the best of ‘wrong colour’ rule and income levels are around 5 times more. 
Your maths are as credible as your idea that the ANC wasn’t a Communist affiliated organisation and Mandela knew it let alone the rest of your typically deluded laughably biased Commy bs.With the Chinese Communist Party being the obvious winners in the case of SA.
Good luck to the ‘right colour’ population there when your Chinese mates take the place over and have them working for Chinese wage levels and impose food rationing on them.
As for your idea of justice.Yes no surprise that’s already clear enough don’t know why you bothered.
Carryfast:
South African Rand is worth more than 10 times less than it was under the best of ‘wrong colour’ rule and income levels are around 5 times more.Your maths are as credible as your idea that the ANC wasn’t a Communist affiliated organisation and Mandela knew it let alone the rest of your typically deluded laughably biased Commy bs.With the Chinese Communist Party being the obvious winners in the case of SA.
You are completely deluded. I used to think of you as quite Knowledgeable & interesting at times. I look on you now in a total different light.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.But it wasn’t prosperous, was it? Most of the blacks were living in slums, were harassed by the police on the streets, under dictatorial rule and without a shred of democratic representation. What you mean is prosperous for the white boss class!
Meanwhile the camera doesn’t lie and says different.
youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PzshHuIE
Let’s make it full on Soviet Socialist ■■■■■■.Soon to be under Chinese workers’ paradise rule that will fix it.Rjan’s red army coming to a place near you soon.
youtube.com/watch?v=8DMedmh1OAM
We can all come up with a film clip to prove anything.
And it’s like I say, lawlessness and insecurity is the legacy of white racist struggle.
The whites themselves engaged in many policies that turned out to be folly within their own terms - decanting the blacks into bantustans, for example. It was not only an extremely costly project and unnecessarily provocative - but like De Klerk eventually confessed, they couldn’t run their bloody economy without black labour, and the whole system was madness!
UKtramp:
Carryfast:
South African Rand is worth more than 10 times less than it was under the best of ‘wrong colour’ rule and income levels are around 5 times more.Your maths are as credible as your idea that the ANC wasn’t a Communist affiliated organisation and Mandela knew it let alone the rest of your typically deluded laughably biased Commy bs.With the Chinese Communist Party being the obvious winners in the case of SA.
You are completely deluded. I used to think of you as quite Knowledgeable & interesting at times. I look on you now in a total different light.
I know my maths are never the best so feel free to show where I’ve got the figures wrong.1980 $1 = 0.87 Rand ? income = 80.5 2015 $1 = 15.5 Rand ? income = 510 ?.
As for the ANC being a Communist organisation that’s an absolutely unarguable fact.
Sorry if the facts don’t fit your script.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
As for South Africa no it’s a failed basket case regime based on Communist type reverse racism and it shows compared to the prosperous country it once was under your supposed ‘wrong colour’ rule.But it wasn’t prosperous, was it? Most of the blacks were living in slums, were harassed by the police on the streets, under dictatorial rule and without a shred of democratic representation. What you mean is prosperous for the white boss class!
Meanwhile the camera doesn’t lie and says different.
youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PzshHuIE
Let’s make it full on Soviet Socialist ■■■■■■.Soon to be under Chinese workers’ paradise rule that will fix it.Rjan’s red army coming to a place near you soon.
youtube.com/watch?v=8DMedmh1OAM
We can all come up with a film clip to prove anything.
Unfortunately for your agenda that proves everything.So where was the ‘harassment’ and so called ‘apartheid’ ‘on the streets’ in the 70’s clip ?.Also a comment on the video by someone who’s obviously been lied to by your agenda and has now obviously seen the truth.
UKtramp:
Carryfast:
South African Rand is worth more than 10 times less than it was under the best of ‘wrong colour’ rule and income levels are around 5 times more.Your maths are as credible as your idea that the ANC wasn’t a Communist affiliated organisation and Mandela knew it let alone the rest of your typically deluded laughably biased Commy bs.With the Chinese Communist Party being the obvious winners in the case of SA.
You are completely deluded. I used to think of you as quite Knowledgeable & interesting at times. I look on you now in a total different light.
I’ve always thought of Carryfast as an exemplar of the blurred line between genius and insanity.
As you say, far from communist, the SA regime since the end of apartheid is actually one that has been characterised by highly neoliberal thinking, in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and there are shocking class divides! The fact that their economy has made steady progress whilst their society has barely developed any further and living standards for ordinary people have stagnated is the story across the developed Western world.
Carryfast:
UKtramp:
[…]As for the ANC being a Communist organisation that’s an absolutely unarguable fact.
Sorry if the facts don’t fit your script.
They’re not facts at all. It’s true in the 1960s there were probably many blacks - including, I’ve been led to believe in the past, Mandela himself - who looked to the Soviet economic model. But it’s utterly mendacious to characterise the ANC today (or at any time post-apartheid) as a communist organisation of any kind.
This article seems to sum up the situation: nytimes.com/2013/12/08/opin … unist.html
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Meanwhile the camera doesn’t lie and says different.youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PzshHuIE
Let’s make it full on Soviet Socialist ■■■■■■.Soon to be under Chinese workers’ paradise rule that will fix it.Rjan’s red army coming to a place near you soon.
youtube.com/watch?v=8DMedmh1OAM
We can all come up with a film clip to prove anything.
Unfortunately for your agenda that proves everything.So where was the ‘harassment’ and so called ‘apartheid’ ‘on the streets’ in the 70’s clip ?.Also a comment on the video by someone who’s obviously been lied to by your agenda and has now obviously seen the truth.
youtube.com/watch?v=vq2qc-zt9ec
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Sorry if the facts don’t fit your script.They’re not facts at all. It’s true in the 1960s there were probably many blacks - including, I’ve been led to believe in the past, Mandela himself - who looked to the Soviet economic model.
There’s no ‘probably’ about it.
theconversation.com/south-africa … atus-88647
While the split for whatever reason actually taking place in 2017 doesn’t exactly fit your script of SA not being basket case compared to the 1970’s because of a clear ANC/Communist alliance which has endured at least until last year.So now they’ll split the ‘right colour’ vote between ANC and Communists as seperate parties.While the wrong colour vote do whatever it takes to leave the country.That’ll fix it.Especially when the Chinese walk in and fill the vacuum left by the fleeing white wealth and food creating community.
Remind us what the going rate for Chinese mine workers is. 
ocppc.ma/publications/chines … nts-africa
Here’s a clue the Chinese commies aren’t going to pay South African miners more than Chinese ones back in the workers’ paradise homeland. 
theguardian.com/world/2016/m … s-in-china
Then no doubt followed by the situation of Chinese land owners taking what food they’ve got left for China’s needs at gunpoint.That ended well.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Sorry if the facts don’t fit your script.They’re not facts at all. It’s true in the 1960s there were probably many blacks - including, I’ve been led to believe in the past, Mandela himself - who looked to the Soviet economic model.
There’s no ‘probably’ about it.
What’s your point? Your own article says the ANC policies have been slammed as “anti-communist”!
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Sorry if the facts don’t fit your script.They’re not facts at all. It’s true in the 1960s there were probably many blacks - including, I’ve been led to believe in the past, Mandela himself - who looked to the Soviet economic model.
There’s no ‘probably’ about it.
What’s your point? Your own article says the ANC policies have been slammed as “anti-communist”!
Obviously only enough to cause a real split between the ANC and SACP as of 2017.Maybe the ANC are actually just bright enough to have suddenly realised that Communism was never the answer to their perceived problems. But obviously still not bright enough to realise that coming to terms with and making a deal between them and the Afrikaaner population would have been.All because they are the ‘wrong colour’.
It’s my bet that the SACP will eventually win out with Chinese backing and help then they’ll find out the reality of the reverse racist workers’ paradise they wanted and fought for and good luck with that.$100 dollars a month if they get paid at all and African food stocks being pillaged and exported to feed the Chinese.
Ain’t karma a ■■■■■ trading Brit and Dutch rule for Chinese and a perfect example of the result of them biting the hand that fed them.As I said the country already being a basket case that the Afrikaaners no longer give a zb about and a sitting duck for the Chinese taking.