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Rjan:
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It’s clear that Corbyn is a closet remainer just like Johnson.
What a load of tosh! Corbyn has been a Eurosceptic for decades! Even the Blairites whinge that he campaigned half-heartedly for Remain (in accordance with party policy at the time, before the people had spoken in the referendum) because he simply didn’t believe in it himself.
Which is why he appointed remainer Starmer as shadow Brexit minister not Hoey.
To be honest I think Starmer is a good choice for the job, because even though (or perhaps because…) he’s not a Corbyn loyalist, he’s wearing down the Blairite troublemakers with relentless logic and a solid commitment to democracy. He’s committed to ending free movement. And every time there is trouble, he reminds them that 2/3rds of Labour’s constituencies voted Leave.
While it’s equally clear that the only so called Brexit that Corbyn is all about is remain in all but name because the treacherous zb is ideologically opposed to anything which puts National Sovereignty above the EUSSR federal government system.
You’re right that Corbyn is not trying to smash the EU once and for all.
Neighbours frequently get on better as friends when one is not trying to destroy the other, even if they prefer not to be so close as to be in bed with each other.
Just as the Cons are.All based on the same project fear bs that a trading relationship,in which we are ruled by people like Juncker and pay a fortune for the privilege of being a net importer,is supposedly a good deal for us.On that note it doesn’t matter how big the EU market is if it isn’t buying our stuff at the same rate that we buy its stuff.Or for that matter Corbyn’s rabble moaning about lack of cash for the NHS while at the same time wanting to pay billions to the corrupt EU.
No matter how you cut the cake, the UK is not remotely on equal bargaining terms to the EU27 - even if the costs on their side were twice the costs on our side, that cost on their side would still be met by an economic group ten times our size.
Also, whilst the EU may (on your logic) be eager to preserve the current arrangements because of the disproportionate advantages to them (such as the supposed £4bn net contribution), it is not clear that they would be eager to enter into a new arrangement once those advantages are removed (i.e. once our net contribution is nil).
And “Corbyn’s lot” aren’t simply moaning about a “lack of cash for the NHS” - they reject the austerity narrative entirely. And I return to my point again, that Corbyn is a lifelong Eurosceptic, not a Remainer. Through the rubric of how you understand these things, he is and always has been on the Benn, Foot, Shore, Hoey side of the argument about the EU.
But just because Benn was a Eurosceptic, doesn’t mean he would have saw himself as being on the same side as the right-wing Brexiteers like Fox, Rees-Mogg, or any of the other Tory loons. The Tories’ reasons for leaving are not to get a better deal for workers, but to ensure that markets stay supreme and that workers (and national democracies) are sufficiently divided that they cannot unite against the marketplace and against the interests of the wealthy (such as clamping down on tax evasion, dirty money, and so on).
That’s why the Tories have been promising to reduce migration for years as electoral bait, and yet haven’t reduced non-EU migration one iota - because they don’t really want to, because then they’ll have to increase wages and offer more training to settled workers, and that’s exactly what the party of the rich don’t want.
While it’s no surprise that Corbyn chose to give Putin the benefit of the doubt with communist China weighing in all on the side of obviously still Soviet Putin.No surprise either that Corbyn would be happy for the west to completely surrender to that Chinese/Russian axis by removing what nuclear deterrent we have in the face of Putin’s clear nuclear threat no surprise obviously backed up by China and North Korea.
Well, it turns out today that Porton Down have decided to give Putin the benefit of the doubt too - it turns out there is simply no evidence yet. Are you really willing to put a rifle in your children’s hands, on the say-so of this Tory government? Do you really believe a word they say about Russia?
Do you really believe the Tory government has a shred of concern for the “national” interest (conceived in a way that includes ordinary working people), when they can make a fuss about blue passports being a national British symbol, then hand the production contract to France?