Only 28% of voters want no deal

hkloss1:
Boris Johnson 'vows to ignore MPs' efforts to block No Deal' Brexit | Daily Mail Online

…but 43% want to stay.

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Another set of “good news”, thanks to no deal brexit.
A Polish guy that works at my place, set , thanks to Brexit, his country is getting more valuable investment, from abroad, and here a British company that chose Poland, over this country.

Johnson Matthey chooses Poland to produce new battery materials

LONDON (Reuters) - Chemicals group Johnson Matthey has secured a site in Poland to produce ultra-high energy battery materials and signed a 10-year supply deal with Canada’s Nemaska Lithium as it seeks to grow its exposure to the electric vehicle market.

Plant construction should begin this year at Konin, about 200 kilometres west of Warsaw, and it would have the potential to produce up to 100,000 tonnes per year, Johnson Matthey said in a statement on Thursday.

The is was on track to start commercial production in 2021-22, it added.

Johnson Matthey in 2017 said it was preparing for the shift to electric driving by investing 200 million pounds ($263 million) in developing next-generation technology. It also said it would build a plant in Europe but did not specify where.

It says its material known as enhanced lithium nickel oxide, or eLNO, has a higher energy density than existing technologies.

Johnson Matthey said the Polish plant would place the company’s “operations at the heart of Europe, close to major customers in the battery electric vehicle supply chain”.

Poland, close to the major German car market, has already attracted investment from battery industry players.

Umicore, which competes with Johnson Matthey, is investing 1.38 billion zlotys (275.17 million pounds) in a plant manufacturing cathode materials, while LG Chem is already supplying some German carmakers with electric vehicle batteries made in Poland. Countries around the world have been scrambling to secure a place in the burgeoning electric vehicle market so far dominated by China.

British government officials have stated their support for projects to develop lithium in Britain as one way of bolstering the economy following the country’s decision to leave the European Union, the world’s biggest trading bloc.

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This isn’t just some cheap, simple production, putting toys or tools together, but highly valuable, high tech manufacturing, producing very well paying jobs.
This country has chosen to leave the EU, so no more attractive for this type of investment

The EU and Mercosur, the South American trading bloc, have brokered a landmark trade deal after 20 years of negotiations, agreeing to ■■■■■ tariffs on everything from Argentine steaks to German car parts.

Negotiators for both sides announced the deal on Friday, concluding a process that began on June 28 1999, saying it was a signal of hope for a global trading system under strain from the US-China trade war.

Brussels has estimated that the deal would wipe out about €4bn in annual customs duties on EU exports alone, securing preferential access for European goods and services to a region of over 260m people. For Mercosur, some of the greatest prizes include preferential access to EU markets for beef, ethanol and sugar.

Mercosur, an alliance that brings together Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay, and the EU hailed the agreement as proof that co-operation on trade liberalisation can endure even amid current international tensions.

Agriculture has been the trade-off chapter to facilitate gains in other sectors

Copa Cogeca, an association representing the EU agricultural sector
“In the midst of a global trade war this is a major achievement, it’s the biggest ever free trade agreement between blocs, it’s very comprehensive,” an exultant Marcos Troyjo, Brazil’s deputy economy minister for foreign trade, told the Financial Times.

Mr Troyjo, who led his country’s negotiating team alongside the agriculture and foreign ministers, said: “If there was any doubt that Brazil is opening up its economy, this is a major statement.”

Cecilia Malmstrom, the EU trade commissioner, said that it sent a “loud, clear message” to the world “that we believe that trade is a good thing, that it brings peoples and companies together”.

“Historic! This will be one of the most important trade agreements of all time and will bring enormous benefits to our economy,” tweeted Jair Bolsonaro, Brazilian president.

The accord makes the EU the first major economy to strike a comprehensive trade deal with Mercosur since the South American trade bloc was formed in the early 1990s.

Given Mercosur’s high barriers to imports, Brussels estimates that the savings brought about by the tariff reductions would be some four times those delivered by the EU’s recent deal with Japan, and almost seven times those of its agreement with Canada.

For Mercosur, some of the most difficult concessions included slashing tariffs on imported European cars and parts and opening up its public procurement market. For the EU, the most controversial issues centred on agriculture.

In a sign of potentially difficult battles to come over the ratification of the agreement in Europe, EU farmers and producers of renewable ethanol were quick to slam the negotiations as a sellout.

Copa Cogeca, an association representing the EU agricultural sector, said that the deal amounted to “unfair competition for some key European production sectors, putting their viability at stake”.

“Agriculture has been the trade-off chapter to facilitate gains in other sectors,” the group said.

The ePure association, which represents the EU renewable ethanol industry, said that the bloc was “killing incentives to invest in advanced ethanol, and making life even tougher for Europe’s already struggling farmers”.

While the EU as a whole backed the trade talks, countries including France, Poland and Ireland have consistently warned the bloc not to be too generous on agriculture. Beef has been a particularly sensitive concern.

The improved agricultural market access for Mercosur includes a new 99,000-tonne annual quota for beef to enter the EU at a preferential tariff rate — an amount Ms Malmstrom said was equivalent to 1.2 per cent of the bloc’s total annual beef consumption. The quota will be phased in over five years.

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Phil Hogan, the EU’s agriculture commissioner, acknowledged that the EU “had to make significant concessions in order to ensure a balanced, comprehensive and ambitious outcome”.

“The European Commission will be available to help farmers meet these challenges,” he said, including through extra financial support.

Opponents of the deal will have the chance to make their case during what is expected to be a lengthy ratification process, as the agreement will require approval from the bloc’s national parliaments.

Brussels emphasised that the deal will eliminate high customs duties in key sectors for EU companies, including machinery, chemicals and pharmaceuticals.

The deal was struck after three intensive days of negotiations in Brussels that settled the most difficult questions in the talks.

Jorge Faurie, Argentina’s foreign affairs minister, said that the deal proved Mercosur’s desire to increase the openness of its economy to the rest of the world.

Mercosur has been “a very closed economic space”, he said. “This is a very clear message of where we are going.”

So, 20 years for this country to strike a decent trade deal, or will Brexiters give this country away for free, just to strike any kind of deal with anybody, in desperation?

Vultures are already circling above, looking for easy prey

hkloss1:
Another set of “good news”, thanks to no deal brexit.
A Polish guy that works at my place, set , thanks to Brexit, his country is getting more valuable investment, from abroad, and here a British company that chose Poland, over this country.

Oh wait you mean this country has never seen the mass closure and transfer of its industry to Europe as an EU member state.Which part of net trade deficit/net importer of EU goods since we joined the scam don’t you understand.While leaving the EU actually gives us the option of saying if it’s not made here then it isn’t sold here using tariffs and quotas to enforce it.( Given a proper Labour Party working for the interests of the country’s workers and not supra national Soviet Socialism allied to global free marketeers ).

As for the ‘Polish guy’ strange why he calls it ‘his’ country but he obviously and conveniently doesn’t want to be part of its economic rebuilding.Choosing instead to take full advantage of a system which doesn’t recognise it as ‘his’ country or any country.Only a vassal state of a corporate coup run by unelected elites called the EU.In which Poland will only be useful so long as its workforce remains a weak exploitable commodity,who’s idea of fighting for working class interests is to run away to wherever pays the best minimum wage they can get.

There’s a good reason JM have chosen Poland to produce their products, cheaper wages! And don’t come out with the crap about it being an EU country, because they didn’t choose high wage countries like France, Germany or Holland. All these doom stories are only doom for one type of person, the fat cat bosses trying to keep hold of their big pay cheques

OVLOV JAY:
There’s a good reason JM have chosen Poland to produce their products, cheaper wages! And don’t come out with the crap about it being an EU country, because they didn’t choose high wage countries like France, Germany or Holland.

No surprise kloss seems to have conveniently missed that point. :wink:

Meanwhile we stop domestic fossil fuel consumption,being a large scale producer of fossil fuel.To create a captive market for the benefit of and making us dependent on foreign owned expensive nuclear power generation and battery producers and their quisling middle men here.Who would have thought it.

OVLOV JAY:
There’s a good reason JM have chosen Poland to produce their products, cheaper wages! And don’t come out with the crap about it being an EU country, because they didn’t choose high wage countries like France, Germany or Holland. All these doom stories are only doom for one type of person, the fat cat bosses trying to keep hold of their big pay cheques

Sure, cheaper wages in Poland played a role in chosing where to build that plant, but don’t forget this highly skilled industry, so much more important in decission making, than lower wages was , was a criteria of skilled labour, political and economic stability and predictability, which this country lacks, and there is nothing suggesting , things could improve in the future, especially with no deal brexit.
Another thing, there is going to be only 200 people employed, so it is going to be highly robotised work place, where skill, finding the right talent plays crucial role.
Pitty, another british business chosing to invest abroad instead of supporting no deal brexit Britain.

So 200 jobs that’ll be done by Polish workers, is Britain’s loss how? They’d probably be done by Polish workers here anyway (other EE nationalities are available)

Here you go remoaners got their own song
youtu.be/ch3INaW9v94

hkloss1:
Another thing, there is going to be only 200 people employed, so it is going to be highly robotised work place, where skill, finding the right talent plays crucial role.

Ironically we’d be better off losing the 200 so called ‘skilled’ jobs so that we can kick out the many thousands of EU workers here taking all the so called ‘unskilled’ jobs.With the win win that we can also use trade barriers to protect the so called ‘skilled’ jobs from EU competition.

As for so called skilled ‘talent’ I think the events of 1939-45 not to mention effectively ( so far ) winning the Cold War,proved the skills and talent available to domestic UK manufacturing v Polish.Only to then be deliberately sabotaged to meet US Geopolitical aims.The EU ‘climate change’ agenda,thereby making the whole of Europe dependent on its chosen nuclear fuelled nightmare,being part of that.

Look, hkloss1, you’ve made your point, you want the UK to remain in the eu.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, but this is primarily a forum for UK-based truck drivers, we’ve watched as the British international transport industry has completely, totally disappeared over the last 15 years because of competition from eastern European hauliers whose cost base we have no chance whatsoever of competing with, we are all fully aware of the fact that the UK domestic transport industry will go exactly the same way when cabotage restrictions are finally removed as is the eventual aim of the eu- why would Big Business pay a UK rate to have a load moved from London to Liverpool when they can get it done for a Bulgarian rate?- that’s what “free movement” is all about- but as a forum composed of predominantly UK-based truck drivers you’ll have to forgive us if we refuse to become “turkeys voting for Christmas” as you desire.

I don’t know what you do for a living, but if eu membership would be advantageous to your occupation then I suggest you find a forum geared to that occupation and post there, instead of on TruckNet.

Harry Monk:
Look, hkloss1, you’ve made your point, you want the UK to remain in the eu.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, but this is primarily a forum for truck drivers, we’ve watched as the British international transport industry has completely, totally disappeared because of competition from eastern European hauliers whose cost base we have no chance whatsoever of competing with, we are all aware of the fact that the UK domestic transport industry will go exactly the same way when cabotage restrictions are finally removed as is the eventual aim of the eu- why would Big Business pay a UK rate to have a load moved from London to Liverpool when they can get it done for a Bulgarian rate?- that’s what “free movement” is all about-but as a forum composed of predominantly UK-based truck drivers you’ll have to forgive us if we refuse to become “turkeys voting for Christmas” as you desire.

I don’t know what you do for a living, but if eu membership would be advantageous to your occupation then I suggest you find a forum geared to that occupation and post there, instead of on TruckNet.

Well done Harry [emoji106]
All the Op seems to post about is Brexit and remoaning and not truck driving

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Harry Monk:
Look, hkloss1, you’ve made your point, you want the UK to remain in the eu.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, but this is primarily a forum for UK-based truck drivers, we’ve watched as the British international transport industry has completely, totally disappeared over the last 15 years because of competition from eastern European hauliers whose cost base we have no chance whatsoever of competing with, we are all fully aware of the fact that the UK domestic transport industry will go exactly the same way when cabotage restrictions are finally removed as is the eventual aim of the eu- why would Big Business pay a UK rate to have a load moved from London to Liverpool when they can get it done for a Bulgarian rate?- that’s what “free movement” is all about- but as a forum composed of predominantly UK-based truck drivers you’ll have to forgive us if we refuse to become “turkeys voting for Christmas” as you desire.

I don’t know what you do for a living, but if eu membership would be advantageous to your occupation then I suggest you find a forum geared to that occupation and post there, instead of on TruckNet.

Spot on mate. I really don’t understand any UK driver being against Brexit. Even the ones doing European work are short sighted, as it’s probably only got another 5 years in it at best

OVLOV JAY:

Harry Monk:
Look, hkloss1, you’ve made your point, you want the UK to remain in the eu.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, but this is primarily a forum for UK-based truck drivers, we’ve watched as the British international transport industry has completely, totally disappeared over the last 15 years because of competition from eastern European hauliers whose cost base we have no chance whatsoever of competing with, we are all fully aware of the fact that the UK domestic transport industry will go exactly the same way when cabotage restrictions are finally removed as is the eventual aim of the eu- why would Big Business pay a UK rate to have a load moved from London to Liverpool when they can get it done for a Bulgarian rate?- that’s what “free movement” is all about- but as a forum composed of predominantly UK-based truck drivers you’ll have to forgive us if we refuse to become “turkeys voting for Christmas” as you desire.

I don’t know what you do for a living, but if eu membership would be advantageous to your occupation then I suggest you find a forum geared to that occupation and post there, instead of on TruckNet.

Spot on mate. I really don’t understand any UK driver being against Brexit. Even the ones doing European work are short sighted, as it’s probably only got another 5 years in it at best

It’s ironic and strange as to how many people who stand to lose really do believe in unregulated free markets when the evidence that they don’t work is staring them in the face.As for Kloss who knows.He’s either one of the above.Or just another quisling winner from the scam at the expense of the country and is scared that the EU gravy train might reach the end of the line.

Although having said that the London-Liverpool etc example is just as likely to be lost to rail under the anti road agenda as to cabotage.While I’d doubt that even the East Euros would then want to get involved in the local intermodal movements and multi drop etc dross that’s left.

There’s no “Conversion” going on. Remainers are still Remainers and Brexiteers - want Brexit more than ever.

“Divided we are, and after Summer comes Fall” (If you are an American, at least.)

If you threaten to sack people - they still won’t change.
If your firm goes bust - you have 90 minutes to get another job if you’re a trucker.
If you’re offered more money to work elsewhere - you might stay if your current boss treats you with respect, and sits on the same side of the divide as you.
If Capitalism worked properly, we’d all be working, because we’d starve if we didn’t.
If Communism worked properly - we’d all be working, just as “minimalists” because a Doctor would earn the same as a Roadsweeper.
If Republicanism worked properly - The President would live on $1 per year.
If Democracy worked properly - we’d be able to sack our representatives at the drop of a hat, rather than have to wait five years.
If Terrorism worked properly - we wouldn’t be “Devils making work for idle hands”.
If Humanitarianism worked properly - we’d care about others, rather than hate them for having a different opinion.
If Liberalism worked properly - we’d all be Liberals, get paid a shedload of money, for doing nothing at all in some office far far away.
If Globalism worked properly, we’d all be offered a million in whatever currency we were told to accept as our own.
If the Deep State worked properly - they’d be immortal already, and none of us would ever darken the doors of a Science Lab to learn “how to” ourselves.

Winseer:
If Capitalism worked properly, we’d all be working, because we’d starve if we didn’t.

If the Deep State worked properly - they’d be immortal already, and none of us would ever darken the doors of a Science Lab to learn “how to” ourselves.

It seems that your ideas on the definition of Capitalism are based on Thatcherite principles.Be careful what you wish for.

As for the Deep State it’s actually the same thing as ( your idea of ) Capitalism and Communism when both are taken to their logical conclusion.IE maximum exploitation of an under class,that has no value if/when it ceases to be useful to the establishment for whatever reason.

I don’t understand , people, why do you still keep reading and commenting my posts.
If you hate so much what I post , it’s clearly not for, so whenever you see me posting anything about brexit, just don’t read.
What part of that do you struggle to understand?
It’s clearly not for you, so just move along, and go, read and comment posts that you enjoy reading and commenting.
Life’s too short to be stressing so much about someone’s posts.
Just imagine how many other, more interesting for you, and more enjoyable posts you could have read and commented on, instead of wasting your time and efforts on what I post.

If you didn’t post so much rubbish then they wouldn’t have to waste their time and effort in reading it …

hkloss1:
I don’t understand , people, why do you still keep reading and commenting my posts.

No surprise you like the EU dictatorship idea of debate.So you keep on posting the pro EU bs and the Leave side will keep arguing against it.Which part of that don’t you like or understand.