Lorries with 9-speed Fuller Roadranger 'boxes

Bewick:
There was two 9 speed Fuller Boxes I recall, the lighter one as used in the ERF “A” Series was designated the RTO 609 and from memory it had the crawler gear and 4 over 4 range change. Then there was the most popular box the 9509 which was a heavier box altogether. IIRC our 220 ■■■■■■■ and 180LXB “A” Series units had the lighter box but our 8LXB “A” Series had the heavier 9509 box. We also had a couple of Borderers with the 9509 boxes, one had the 8LXB engine and the other had the 220 ■■■■■■■ engine. All our other Borderers had the RTO 610 Road Ranger boxes. Cheers Bewick.

Cheers Bewick! Yes, I think there were quite a few variations too to give a choice of overdrive, underdrive or direct drive. Later boxes were beefier and had more teeth for better meshing. I’d love someone to write a comprehensive history of the Fuller RoadRanger 'box with all the variations! Robert

robert1952:
Found this on the photo forum. ■■■■■■■ E290 with Fuller RTX11609 'box. Robert

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With a Volvo back axle too. Don’t check the colour of the diesel in the tank though…

Both of these early Constructor 6 had Fuller 9 speeds
TYneside

tyneside:
Both of these early Constructor 6 had Fuller 9 speeds
TYneside

Great photos there Tyneside, Thanks for posting them, Regards Larry.

Good to see you back making the odd comment Larry. Hope all is well with the family.
Tyneside

I’m intrigued by the reliable revelation on one of the current threads that some rental Iveco 190.30 Turbostars with the 13.2 Fiat 300 bhp lump had 9-speed Fullers. Has anyone else come across either Turbostars or Turbotechs with the 9-sp Fuller in? Back-up pictures would be even better! Cheers, Robert

robert1952:
I know I’ve flagged this up before, but in February 1989 Seddon-Atkinson announced that it would offer 9-speed Fullers instead of Twin-splitters on all its models up to and not including 400 bhp (■■■■■■■■■ Has anyone any photo evidence that these were produced / sold? Robert

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From Commercial Motor:

From the beginning of March Strata buyers will also be able to specify a nine-speed Fuller RTX11609B gearbox, in place of the standard Eaton TS011612 Twin Splitter 12speed box. The Roadranger option covers all Stratos except for the most powerful 17.40C model fitted with the 298kW (400hp) ■■■■■■■ Super E 14litre engine. The nine-speed rangechange box saves 53kg in kerbweight and 250 on the chassis price. It is being offered in response to demands from rental fleets which feel that spotrental drivers will find it easier than the Twin Splitter to oper ate without any instruction.

Sorry for being 3.5 years late replying and not having photographic evidence. But I can tell you that BSC Shotton works fleet had 6 of them, they were the last new units to join the fleet I seem to recall that they were about June 1990. Day cabs but full spec not the fleet downgrade TC spec, with the Perkins TX325 and 9 speed fullers.

acd1202:

robert1952:
I know I’ve flagged this up before, but in February 1989 Seddon-Atkinson announced that it would offer 9-speed Fullers instead of Twin-splitters on all its models up to and not including 400 bhp (■■■■■■■■■ Has anyone any photo evidence that these were produced / sold? Robert

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From Commercial Motor:

From the beginning of March Strata buyers will also be able to specify a nine-speed Fuller RTX11609B gearbox, in place of the standard Eaton TS011612 Twin Splitter 12speed box. The Roadranger option covers all Stratos except for the most powerful 17.40C model fitted with the 298kW (400hp) ■■■■■■■ Super E 14litre engine. The nine-speed rangechange box saves 53kg in kerbweight and 250 on the chassis price. It is being offered in response to demands from rental fleets which feel that spotrental drivers will find it easier than the Twin Splitter to oper ate without any instruction.

Sorry for being 3.5 years late replying and not having photographic evidence. But I can tell you that BSC Shotton works fleet had 6 of them, they were the last new units to join the fleet I seem to recall that they were about June 1990. Day cabs but full spec not the fleet downgrade TC spec, with the Perkins TX325 and 9 speed fullers.

Thank you for that - most helpful! Cheers, Robert

Interesting to read about the 10th gear in the RTO9509A. I remember a Ford and Slater rep coming to A E Evans’ depot in Sheffield,A E Evans bought a lot of their Marathons from their Norwich branch,and I asked him about that extra gear.He said it should not be used as it could cause damage to the box which seemed strange as a friend of mine had a Marathon two years before I got mine in 1976 and he’d used that gear all the time,especially as a 5th gear in high range,to save dropping into low.I used it all the time and never had any problems.I didn’t tell the rep I used it though…………

Interesting topic just found it. No pics but crowd I worked for had 3 Octopus, PAY 126/7/8 R, all 9sp. Nice box nearly as good as Foden 12sp. One lost all cogs, driver was at the bottom of steep ramp on site so selected crawler, from standstill, let clutch out, nothing. He was a steady driver but was well in the frame for wrecking box. It went to Ford n Slater who said it would have gone soon as somebody used crawler, assembly fault, not sure what though.

Ihad a 9 speed Fuller in a Constructor6 which was bought secondhand.Every time i changed the range hi ti low or other way round there was a funny sound and a slow change but in carried on going.One day had a load to Torrington North Devon.Decided to travel back to South Moulton via a 1 in 4 hill i think it was put into low range went down the hill and up the other side went to change to high ratio had a box full of neutral gears but had low ratio.Drove the wagon back from North Devon to West Wales top speed was 12mph except in neutral down hills but had to avoid motorways except the Old Seven Bridge and never got stoped at all

Yes the Fuller wasn’t as ‘bombproof’ as folk thought, they had their issues like any other gearbox! I drove them for all my career behind the wheel and only had a problem with one but I know at Tilcon they had the back end off of many over the years. The pto drive on powder tanks was a weak point, they regularly fell apart!

My ‘problem one’ was in an ex Smiths Foden six wheeler. I would stop at the weighbridge etc and put it into neutral, get out and the truck would still be trying to move! Jump in quick and move the lever around until it found a neutral and it was OK but it became rather dangerous so I mentioned it to the gaffers and said should I investigate it? However to save time they decided to get a recon box from a ‘well known Midlands gearbox specialist’ so a box duly arrived and the gaffers fitted it over the weekend ready for me on monday. Well the blooming thing kept jumping out of low range! :unamused: It happened all the time to me loaded and also on hills when empty, even when pulling empty up the slope from our garage, it was fine empty on the flat though. Anyway I reported it, however nothing was done so I put up with it for a week or two but it wasn’t good and I was expecting the propshaft to drop off when it jumped out and then shot back into cog again. Still nothing happened and I had some holiday booked so had a week off.

On my return a local relief driver had been on the truck and reported the same problem, eureka, so I was told to take the truck back to the gearbox specialist! On arrival the mechanic jumped in the driving seat and off we went; “Nothing wrong with this box” he said. I told him to take it up a hill; “There aren’t any for miles around here, are you sure you are changing gear correctly, watch me and I will show you how to do it”. I felt like hitting the ■■■■ but resisted! I told him that I had been using Fuller boxes for over fifteen years so I thought that I had the hang of them by now. Upshot was that I left it with them and they dropped me at the station and I caught the train home, I had no money for the fare so they subbed me £20 but wanted the money back from my boss. Two days later the truck was sorted and I never found out what the problem was but it never gave any more problems!

Pete.

As mentioned earlier some AEC tilt cabs were fitted with Fuller boxes.I never got to drive one but I had lift in one over Woodhead one morning when on a dodgy back to Mottram.It belonged to W H Martin from Brigg loaded with steel from Scunthorpe and what a difference it made to that 760 engined AEC,really on top of the job. :slight_smile:

ianto:
Ihad a 9 speed Fuller in a Constructor6 which was bought secondhand.Every time i changed the range hi ti low or other way round there was a funny sound and a slow change but in carried on going.One day had a load to Torrington North Devon.Decided to travel back to South Moulton via a 1 in 4 hill i think it was put into low range went down the hill and up the other side went to change to high ratio had a box full of neutral gears but had low ratio.Drove the wagon back from North Devon to West Wales top speed was 12mph except in neutral down hills but had to avoid motorways except the Old Seven Bridge and never got stoped at all

I had the opposite with the Foden , running back toward Shrewsbury loaded with coal and stuck in high range . No way I was going to get through Shrewsbury ( pre bypass ) even using high crawler so I pulled in a lay-by w9 with tea van )and stripped the air control off the box . I cleaned it up and there was a tiny stainless steel piston which was jammed solid . Many applications of wd40 and eventually got it working freely , put it all back together and the range change was perfect . Told the fitters the day after but they never touched it and it never seized again .

G’day fellows, I’m a bit late to the fray, but will offer my knowledge and experience of forty years playing with the ubiquitous “bush ranger”, in Australia.
We had 9,10, 13, 15, 17 and 18 speeds here.

9 speed: Available in 6, 9, 11, 12 and 14 series torque ratings. The 11 and 14 series had finer gears and were marketed as “Multimesh” as they had more teeth meshing simultaneously. This applied to all 'boxes in these series including all 18 speeds.
They were available in RT (direct) and RTO (overdrive). Any competent mechanic could convert a direct box to overdrive, simply by swapping the 8th and 9th gear’s position on the shaft. This also changed the gate pattern to put top gear right and forward. These boxes were colloquially refered to as “round the corner overdrive”.

10 speed: Pretty much the same as the 9 speed but all positions were used twice. First gear was taller than its counterpart in the 9 speed.

13 speed: Basically a 9 speed with an overdrive range added to the back of the 'box. This enabled the splitting of the top four ratios. To the best of my knowledge, latterly the overdrive unit was factory fitted to RT 9 speeds to create an RTO 13 speed. The patern was 1-5 with the 3 position range change selector in low, compound shift to 6(2) and the selector in the direct (middle) position.7th was selected wit a simple range change to the O/D position. Rinse and repeat through to 13th gear. These knobs were a black coloured plasic, until superceded by the two switch, 18 speed style. I realize I’m no doubt trying to teach many of you blokes to ■■■■ eggs but I’ve only explained specifically, to compare it with the sequence of the older 13 direct.
*Prior to the upgrading to 11 and 14 series a RT 13 was available, these had the chrome knob. My memory is a bit hazy but IIRC, the sequence was 1-5 with the range selector in low, 6-9 in underdrive then 10-13 in direct. The selector was also on the opposite side to the RTO selector.

15 speed: Basically a 10 speed with a deep reduction range added. It actually only has 13 useable ratios. The deep reduction could be selected by use of either a second up/down air switch on the gear lever or a selector somewhere on the dash.
The correct sequence is as follows. Deep reduction engaged, range change button down, 1, 2, 3; deep reduction disengaged, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (4-8); button up, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (9-13).

17 speed As far as I know, never sanctioned by Mr. Fuller, but Aussie truckies saw the need for so many gears long before the manufacturer released the 18 speed. A backyard re-plumb enabled the bottom half of the box to be split also.

The secret gear. Ratio-wise there is no point using it in sequence. First gear position, used in anything but low range puts too much torque through the higher range, it should only be used under light loads.

I have never, in over forty years of Road Ranger use, come across one that couldn’t be changed clutchlessly. I currently drive a Western Star with a fully manual RTLO 229 18 and own a MAN coach, with a factory fitted RTO 6 10, that i am converting to a mobile home.
The secret to trouble free Road Ranger operation is clean air.

My musings are in no way definitive, just the best my old rememberer can muster.

Star down under.:
G’day fellows, I’m a bit late to the fray, but will offer my knowledge and experience of forty years playing with the ubiquitous “bush ranger”, in Australia.
We had 9,10, 13, 15, 17 and 18 speeds here.

9 speed: Available in 6, 9, 11, 12 and 14 series torque ratings. The 11 and 14 series had finer gears and were marketed as “Multimesh” as they had more teeth meshing simultaneously. This applied to all 'boxes in these series including all 18 speeds.
They were available in RT (direct) and RTO (overdrive). Any competent mechanic could convert a direct box to overdrive, simply by swapping the 8th and 9th gear’s position on the shaft. This also changed the gate pattern to put top gear right and forward. These boxes were colloquially refered to as “round the corner overdrive”.

10 speed: Pretty much the same as the 9 speed but all positions were used twice. First gear was taller than its counterpart in the 9 speed.

13 speed: Basically a 9 speed with an overdrive range added to the back of the 'box. This enabled the splitting of the top four ratios. To the best of my knowledge, latterly the overdrive unit was factory fitted to RT 9 speeds to create an RTO 13 speed. The patern was 1-5 with the 3 position range change selector in low, compound shift to 6(2) and the selector in the direct (middle) position.7th was selected wit a simple range change to the O/D position. Rinse and repeat through to 13th gear. These knobs were a black coloured plasic, until superceded by the two switch, 18 speed style. I realize I’m no doubt trying to teach many of you blokes to ■■■■ eggs but I’ve only explained specifically, to compare it with the sequence of the older 13 direct.
*Prior to the upgrading to 11 and 14 series a RT 13 was available, these had the chrome knob. My memory is a bit hazy but IIRC, the sequence was 1-5 with the range selector in low, 6-9 in underdrive then 10-13 in direct. The selector was also on the opposite side to the RTO selector.

15 speed: Basically a 10 speed with a deep reduction range added. It actually only has 13 useable ratios. The deep reduction could be selected by use of either a second up/down air switch on the gear lever or a selector somewhere on the dash.
The correct sequence is as follows. Deep reduction engaged, range change button down, 1, 2, 3; deep reduction disengaged, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (4-8); button up, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (9-13).

17 speed As far as I know, never sanctioned by Mr. Fuller, but Aussie truckies saw the need for so many gears long before the manufacturer released the 18 speed. A backyard re-plumb enabled the bottom half of the box to be split also.

The secret gear. Ratio-wise there is no point using it in sequence. First gear position, used in anything bit low range puts too much torque through the higher range, it should only be used under light loads.

I have never, in over forty years of Road Ranger use, come across one that couldn’t be changed clutchlessly. I currently drive a Western Star with a fully manual RTLO 229 18 and own a MAN coach, with a factory fitted RTO 6 10, that i am converting to a mobile home.
The secret to trouble free Road Ranger operation is clean air.

My musings are in no way definitive, just the best my old rememberer can muster.

SDU,

Wow,that’s a definitive rendition of Mr.Fullers boxes,superb,well done.

I drove an ERF on heavy haulage,had a ■■■■■■■ with a 15 Fuller box,I never realised there was a specific change in deep reduction,I just used them in DR,then again in Low and again in High,never any problems a lovely box to use.

David

David, don’t bet your house on my memory, sometimes I can’t remember if or what I had for breakfast. :cry:
There were many ways a 15 could be used, do what works for you. With regular servicing and a modicum of sympathy, RR are bomb proof.

I’m with sdu, with a bit of skill, practice and sympathy any of the 'boxes from Fuller and Eaton were ultra-reliable and a joy to use.

They still are, I’ve got an 18spd in my Pete and being a glider kit, the box is remanufactured, as are the engine and rear axles. The original truck was a 2002, sixteen years and 37000 engine hours later and it still shifts like a hot knife through butter, a marvelous piece of engineering.

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Going back loads of pages! Here’s (more?) confirmation that the Barrieros Dodge 300 (Chrysler-engined version) had 9-sp Fuller in LHD form (the brochure is French) :wink: Robert

more proof of LHD F9 Dodge 300.jpg