Interesting call on LBC regarding Brexit today

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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muckles:
The UK and EU have had a plan to sort this for months,

  1. Have a global pandemic, of a slightly harmful virus too scare the crap out of the population and make them more compliant.
  2. Lockdown the population of Europe
  3. Crash the economy, to reduce general level of cross border trade, so fewer truck and ferry movements.
  4. Lockdown the population again.
  5. Give them “freedom” at Christmas.
  6. Tell the population because they went mad at Christmas they need to be lockdowned in January, justify the lockdown using dodgy and out of date information.
  7. Once the cross border issues have been sorted out with lower levels of traffic, give the population a vaccination and let them go back to work, but tax the crap out of them to get some of that money back.
  8. When the population ask for their freedoms back, remember how easy it was to control a population using fear and media hysteria and invent a new crisis.

You sir, are right over the target. :wink:

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:

Mazzer2:

Franglais:

cav551:
Naturally the mere idea, of Husks and other local hauliers sending over solo units to pick up trailers from Calais to run them up to Ashford for clearance, would be immediately scuppered by the filthy French who would come up with some excuse to prevent it, even though their limited vocabulary hasn’t invented a word for the process yet. :smiley:

Nice earner for Husks you reckon?
If they get permits.
Longer trip times don’t tie in with modern factory processes. Good way to export future jobs.
And let the British consumers pay the extra of course.

So no different to what happens now then, with EU membership

If the UK manufacturing sector is in trouble now, how will Brexit possibly help?
If investors want a factory in the EU region will they build some where with zero tariff and frictionless borders, or somewhere like post Brexit Britain?
There is certainly a problem in the UK. I gree. Why do you imagine Brexit is in any way a solution?

Well you could turn the question on it’s head if UK manufacturing is struggling after 40 years in the EU what makes you think that more EU is the solution?
With regards to the EU it seems more interested in levelling down rather than up, so the richer members pay money to the poorer countries these countries then use the money to give grants to companies to allow them to set up with a competitive advantage over their factories in the richer nations, companies now move decent paid jobs to these countries but doesn’t pay the same wage, thereby increasing said company’s profits but leaving the richer nations working class somewhat poorer.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29527169
Gallahers cite EU cigarette packaging legislation as one of the reasons for the closure obviously Poland isn’t in the EU or affected by EU legislation then, or could it be that Gallahers can make more profit there aided by grants to set up the factory

So, where are we going that is better? Like it or lump it, we exist in a global economy.
Leaving the EU will make our voice smaller and our influence less, as it decreases the size and power of the EU also.
There are problems with the existing system I think we can agree, but making ourselves smaller, makes us easier prey for the global big boys.
Those who want Brexit are not manufacturers who want stability, it is bad for those who invest in bricks and mortar and provide jobs. It is bad for those with roots and want to buy and sell long term.
It is for those who “invest” short term. Instability is a way to make money for the likes of Phillip Green, Aaron Banks, Somerset Management etc. Not through investing in the future, but in playing fast and loose. Build nowt, provide little.
The Brexit Rees-Mogg Gove etc want is “more competitive”: let our farmers compete with US etc farmers with hormones and antibiotics. Get us to compete with factories and workers, not in the EU, but in Africa and the Far East.

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And has being in the EU stopped any of those people from doing as they did?

Every remainer will tell you that the EU is not perfect and that it needs reform but then fail to tell you where those reforms are coming from. All the recent problems can be only be solved by more integration according to the likes of France something resisted by Germany as it doesn’t want the liability of the weaker nations debts. The EU is an ideology and very rarely do ideologists admit that they have got it wrong, the fact that the UK was so euro sceptical should have been a warning to the EU and instead of treating Cameron with disdain when he asked for reforms (some of which have since been implemented by other countries) taken him more seriously then there is a good chance Brexit would never have happened. But then the EU has form in ignoring what the people of member states actually want, you want a referendum ok but we’ll only pay heed to the result if it’s the result we want otherwise we’ll either ignore it or throw in a bribe/threat or two and you can vote again

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Oh where oh where is the forum big thumbs up to the above? ^^^^

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Thumbs up.

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the maoster:
Oh where oh where is the forum big thumbs up to the above? ^^^^

Found it

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Brilliant :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Mazzer2:
And has being in the EU stopped any of those people from doing as they did?

Every remainer will tell you that the EU is not perfect and that it needs reform but then fail to tell you where those reforms are coming from. All the recent problems can be only be solved by more integration according to the likes of France something resisted by Germany as it doesn’t want the liability of the weaker nations debts. The EU is an ideology and very rarely do ideologists admit that they have got it wrong, the fact that the UK was so euro sceptical should have been a warning to the EU and instead of treating Cameron with disdain when he asked for reforms (some of which have since been implemented by other countries) taken him more seriously then there is a good chance Brexit would never have happened. But then the EU has form in ignoring what the people of member states actually want, you want a referendum ok but we’ll only pay heed to the result if it’s the result we want otherwise we’ll either ignore it or throw in a bribe/threat or two and you can vote again

Which happened in France and the Republic of Ireland some time back.
Both voted for OUT and things were changed for a second referendum , which went the way of STAY.

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This thread is in serious need of the Trucknet giants Carryfast and Winsser. One to tell us why everyone should have 6x4’s to beat the delays and the other to slag off presses random name generator Lord Browne.

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switchlogic:
This thread is in serious need of the Trucknet giants Carryfast and Winsser. One to tell us why everyone should have 6x4’s to beat the delays and the other to slag off presses random name generator Lord Browne.

One will say that he will by a tractor unit but only want to work for 3 days.
The other will say he will buy a tractor unit but then sell it as he is in dispute with his own working conditions and its not his fault.

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That little weasel macron is at it again. It needs Phil Mitchell to do an Ian Beale on him and flush his head down the toilet. I think we can safely predict that the filthy frogs will seek to cause as much disruption as possible including deliberately targeting vaccine shipments.

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The UK should have concentrated on the removal of German troops from Belgium and reparations to that country. Millions of lives would have been saved.

thesun.co.uk/news/13370720/ … oris-live/

thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/13 … g-britain/

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Oh look, another mention of the war. Can’t work out if that’s a parody or not but so many bring up the war, it’s so hilariously ridiculous. One on a Facebook page the other day on a post about delays with a German load someone replied ‘just mention the war, that will shut them up’… :unamused: I get why they do they, it’s the last time the British were good at anything and while Germany lost the war they have definitely won the peace imo

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Those who bring up the 1966 World Cup are just as bad like the fact we once won the world cup over half a century ago is a bragging point.

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cav551:
That little weasel macron is at it again. It needs Phil Mitchell to do an Ian Beale on him and flush his head down the toilet. I think we can safely predict that the filthy frogs will seek to cause as much disruption as possible including deliberately targeting vaccine shipments.

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The UK should have concentrated on the removal of German troops from Belgium and reparations to that country. Millions of lives would have been saved.

thesun.co.uk/news/13370720/ … oris-live/

thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/13 … g-britain/

Let’s call time on this anti-French, cretinous spiel,the good people of that fine nation have a more sussed and evolved approach to life in general in comparison to the servile.royal, aristo worshipping,property-price obsessed denizens of this once fine land.Yes Macron is the latest Sh@t weasel,ex Goldman Sachs cabal puppet long overdue a guillotine appointment for sure,but those yellow vest protesters are amongst humanities finest and should be given the highest respect.

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Mazzer2:
And has being in the EU stopped any of those people from doing as they did?

Every remainer will tell you that the EU is not perfect and that it needs reform but then fail to tell you where those reforms are coming from. All the recent problems can be only be solved by more integration according to the likes of France something resisted by Germany as it doesn’t want the liability of the weaker nations debts. The EU is an ideology and very rarely do ideologists admit that they have got it wrong, the fact that the UK was so euro sceptical should have been a warning to the EU and instead of treating Cameron with disdain when he asked for reforms (some of which have since been implemented by other countries) taken him more seriously then there is a good chance Brexit would never have happened. But then the EU has form in ignoring what the people of member states actually want, you want a referendum ok but we’ll only pay heed to the result if it’s the result we want otherwise we’ll either ignore it or throw in a bribe/threat or two and you can vote again

Mazzer2:
And has being in the EU stopped any of those people from doing as they did?

So, if someone behaves badly under existing rules, you argue for less rules?

Mazzer2:
Every remainer will tell you that the EU is not perfect and that it needs reform but then fail to tell you where those reforms are coming from

Yes, there is a realisation that the EU is not perfect. And there isnt a big picture of unicorns prancing under the rainbow with a pot of gold for everyone. Brexit has sold a dream that isnt coming anytime soon. The real world of remaining, and small gains and improvement over a longer time isn`t as easy to sell apparently.

Mazzer2:
All the recent problems can be only be solved by more integration according to the likes of France something resisted by Germany as it doesn’t want the liability of the weaker nations debts.

“All the recent problems”…there ain`t the time to address all of this is there?

Mazzer2:
the fact that the UK was so euro sceptical should have been a warning to the EU and instead of treating Cameron with disdain when he asked for reforms (some of which have since been implemented by other countries) taken him more seriously then there is a good chance Brexit would never have happened.

Not sure of your timelines here? Cameron went on his tour of the EU before the referendum.
He wanted concessions, yes but why? He won his election on the back of a referendum he didnt want. He was fighting his own back benchers the ERG. Should an international trading group change its rules every time a politician has a domestic problem? Recipe for disaster.
And if reforms he asked for have now been implemented (not sure which ones you mean) isnt that a good thing? And doesnt it show your previous point “fail to tell you where those reforms are coming from” is hollow, if reforms are ongoing?
Changing the EU to suit a weak national Gov isn`t a good idea.

Mazzer2:
But then the EU has form in ignoring what the people of member states actually want

Similar point. The UK Gov doesn`t act just for one constituency* it acts for the whole.
Same with the EU. There are ups and downs.

Mazzer2:
we’ll either ignore it or throw in a bribe/threat or two and you can vote again

“Bribe or threat” AKA negotiations or concessions, without the loaded language. You remember what you seem to think Cameron went to the EU for.

My post previous to your`s asked how Brexit could possibly help our future. Any answers?

And a quick note to some others who will argue that it isnt just about the money: Youre right it isnt. Free movement to go on holiday, be educated, retire,share security info for terrorists or thieves, is all under threat. And on the money side it wont be a threat for many, its true: but a 10% (for example) cut in GDP wont be a 10% cut in income for all; some will stay the same, some will be unemployed. A national small change will be a major life change for some.

*unless you live in Jenrick`s patch

Mazzer2:
we’ll either ignore it or throw in a bribe/threat or two and you can vote again

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What winds me up with the remainers is that they think they have a very clear cyrstal ball about whats going to happen.
Listen, you dont know how its going to turn out untill it happens!
For better or worse Brexit has happened, stop moaning and just get on with life.

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Franglais to answer some of your points, the changes that Cameron asked for were before the referendum and he was told that countries could not individually implement changes, yet on the the subject of welfare payments Germany went and implemented the very thing that Cameron asked for, note Germany not a change in EU policy.
On the subject of bribes and threats take it you aren’t seeing what is happening to Poland and Hungary democratically elected governments being told what to do by the EU, now you may disagree with the policies of these two governments and they certainly aren’t coming across as the most tolerant of governments yet they have been elected for the EU to then punish these countries sends out the message that as long as you are in the EU then you must vote for governments that the EU approve of, oddly enough you never hear criticism when a left wing government is elected which can be just as intolerant.
The root and branch reforms that are needed will not happen a solution needs to be found to end the almost permanent stagnation of the southern economies, not going to happen, the dominance of German industry needs to be sorted not going to happen, the grand standing of France thinking it is still a world power (people say the UK has delusions of grandeur France has plenty to teach there). France and Germany need to understand that the European Parliament is there for European matters and that is where problems should be taken to and not Berlin or Paris.
At the time of the referendum given a few tweaks I would have had no problem remaining in Europe but you have to look where Europe is going more federalisation, tax harmonisation, more power on the world stage including military force with a European army, that would never be deployed yet weaken NATO and waste taxpayers money, the last conflict in Europe was sorted out by the Americans while European stood by and watched despite repeatedly saying since 1945 that genocide will not take place in Europe again. People are quick to blame the USA for the current friction between Muslims and the West, take a look at the Balkans conflict and who was fighting for the Bosnians and how this conflict was being portrayed in the Arab world. The most recent European border dispute was sorted out by Trump remember him the useless buffoon so if a useless buffoon could bring about a treaty how come all these intellectual European politicians couldn’t?
It would appear that perhaps France and the UK are not alone in having delusions of grandeur, but at least militarily they will put their money where their mouth is unlike the rest of Europe.

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Mazzer2:
On the subject of bribes and threats take it you aren’t seeing what is happening to Poland and Hungary democratically elected governments being told what to do by the EU, now you may disagree with the policies of these two governments and they certainly aren’t coming across as the most tolerant of governments yet they have been elected for the EU to then punish these countries sends out the message that as long as you are in the EU then you must vote for governments that the EU approve of, oddly enough you never hear criticism when a left wing government is elected which can be just as intolerant.

Immigration policies?
The democratically elected Govs of Hungary, Poland, (and Czech Republic) were members of the EU in 2015 when its Immigration Relocation Policy was agreed by a majority vote. If they now refuse to abide by said EU law then the ECJ will fine them. A court, not a political body. You can argue that right wing rather than left wing govs are more likely to do this, and interpret that as political bias, but I say youre wrong if you do so.
Telling a thief they will go to prison is not “threatening” them. A petrol head who steals cars isn`t locked up for liking cars, he is locked up for being a thief. This is enforcement not punishment.

Mazzer2:
the dominance of German industry needs to be sorted not going to happen,

It certainly wont happen by trying to hamper successful industries. It needs support for less successful areas, but you speak against that, dont you?
You want actions, but reject any possible solutions. How can reform happen throughout the EU if there is no comprehensive federal policy? How can root and branch modernisation happen if there is disparate tax policies?
Yes, I agree a lot needs to happen, but it wont happen without a wider spread of action. Any possible raising of the southern economies will need help from the northern ones. You dont get improvement without cost. That needs a unified approach.

Mazzer2:
The most recent European border dispute was sorted out by Trump

Sorry, you lost me.

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Probably lost you on Trump because left leaning papers didn’t give credit where credit was due for the agreement the US government brokered between Albania and Macedonia, a small dispute but as with most things in the Balkans had the potential to grow into something more serious.
On unilateral decisions you talk about the immigration policy changes did Germany consult anyone on it’s decision to open Europe’s borders or on it’s unilateral trade deal on Nordstream, an action that has potential consequences for Poland’s energy security and even worse ones for the Ukraine.
Can you show where the changes going to come from to try and rectify these problems? Covid showed how far apart Europe is when it comes to support for the poorer nations.
As I said initially there is no stomach in the EU for radical change that will improve the economies of the poorer nations, the treatment of countries like Greece in the financial crisis showed how Europe operates. Banks in Ireland and Greece went bust but no consequences for the banks that lent them the money in the main German banks, they were warned that the lending to Greece was unsustainable. If I lend money to someone who has no means to repay it then it is my loss but if a German bank makes the same mistake then the rules are different.
On immigration because it suits the bigger countries a majority decision is ok but on other matters it has to be unanimous decision not hard to see why the likes of Poland and Hungary are upset, personally I don’t agree with the hypocritical decision of these countries happy to export their own people yet won’t accept others but it a decision their governments have come to and seems to be backed by their people.

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switchlogic:
Oh look, another mention of the war. Can’t work out if that’s a parody or not but so many bring up the war, it’s so hilariously ridiculous. One on a Facebook page the other day on a post about delays with a German load someone replied ‘just mention the war, that will shut them up’… :unamused: I get why they do they, it’s the last time the British were good at anything and while Germany lost the war they have definitely won the peace imo

I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. :wink: