nightline:
How would you vote
IN! Again.
carryfast-yeti:
Rjan:
robbo99.:
Voted leave, in my mind there shouldn’t be any talk of a second vote. We supposedly live in a democracy we voted out, end of. The remoaners are ofcourse saying we didn’t really know what in real terms we were voting for, well if thats the case why didn’t the remoaners, ie Blair and the other losers raise this point before the vote…no they were convinced they were going to win.But if you’re living in a democracy and you’ve made a confident decision, then you won’t mind being asked to vote again, will you?
Now the picture of a radical-right fantasy land painted during the referendum has imploded, any negotiator who takes democracy seriously, would indeed return to the people and ask “what are your expectations?” and “do you want to continue at any expense?”.
what do you mean by ‘at any expense’?
Well are you willing to give up influence? Are you willing to give up money?
truckyboy:
I think it should be asked AFTER brexit…and after the transition…or maybe a bit further down the line.
So, go to all the expense and trouble of leaving, all the talks and negotiations, extra customs and parkings etc etc and then in a few years decide it wasnt such a good idea and do it all again in reverse? Money + Drain springs to mind. If were leaving, as we are, we`d better make sure it works first time!
truckyboy:
to make me vote stay…there would have to be many changes to the set up, and our own governments allowed to veto what they dont want
So, how does that work? We are in a zone with common rules and trade agreements, except maybe we have a different set of rules for lamb, and the French have different rules for cheese, and the Germans have different rules for cars and etc etc. So eventually there are no common rules and there is no point at all is there? In any block you`ve got to accept some bad along with the good.
truckyboy:
We also need a transport minister that would have a brain
Yep. Agree there, obviously a UK only matter of course.
truckyboy:
there should be a minimum rate for moving goods for all transport in europe and a zsar to oversee they are being strictly kept to.
Yep. Good job for the EU there then. Good job for a “czar” someone who is not elected so is independent (or should be) of political parties. A bit like an EU commissioner maybe?
We voted leave, we are leaving. A vote is a vote, it works for all sides. A vote gave us the opportunity to have our say, we said it. A democracy gives it’s citizens the vote, that vote and result should be honoured.
We now see the true colours of certain politicians making out that none of us knew what we were all voting for…errrrr why didn’t those individuals ask the questions before the vote? …no they went in thinking they were on a winner. Now they have lost they will do everything they can to overturn the result…just poor loosers.
Leave, again.
Seeing the fallout since the vote and the types who are desperately trying to get it overturned has only reinforced what a great decision we made.
I would vote in. The economy is collapsing. This is not project fear, this is Brexit reality. If you own a business and you are having to cut back due to Brexit , will you lay off those workers you know caused this by voting Leave first ? My answer is YES P45 for Brexiteers. Sorry but I don’t wanna pay for your mistakes. It would be unfair.
Tempest:
I would vote in. The economy is collapsing. This is not project fear, this is Brexit reality. If you own a business and you are having to cut back due to Brexit , will you lay off those workers you know caused this by voting Leave first ? My answer is YES P45 for Brexiteers. Sorry but I don’t wanna pay for your mistakes. It would be unfair.
If you would like to go to southern end of the channel tunnel and please shut the door after your self THANK YOU 
Tempest:
I would vote in. The economy is collapsing. This is not project fear, this is Brexit reality. If you own a business and you are having to cut back due to Brexit , will you lay off those workers you know caused this by voting Leave first ? My answer is YES P45 for Brexiteers. Sorry but I don’t wanna pay for your mistakes. It would be unfair.
Unlucky
SuperMultiBlue:
Tempest:
I would vote in. The economy is collapsing. This is not project fear, this is Brexit reality. If you own a business and you are having to cut back due to Brexit , will you lay off those workers you know caused this by voting Leave first ? My answer is YES P45 for Brexiteers. Sorry but I don’t wanna pay for your mistakes. It would be unfair.Unlucky
If Brexit is so good You Brexiteers should volunteer to be made redundant 1st. 
Rjan:
carryfast-yeti:
what do you mean by ‘at any expense’?Well are you willing to give up influence? Are you willing to give up money?
The only ‘influence’ within the EU is that held by the Commissioners,European Courts and majority vote among the MEP groups which of course means that the vote of any single state means nothing assuming it goes against what the majority of the other states want.Which in this case means that Germany uses our money to pay off others to get what Germany wants.But of course you’re happy with that situation just so long as you perceive that it’s in the interests of Socialism.
As for giving up money we can’t possibly give up more than we do in the situation of paying massive net contributions for the privilege of an equally massive trade deficit.
Tempest:
If Brexit is so good You Brexiteers should volunteer to be made redundant 1st.
Tempest:
I would vote in. The economy is collapsing. This is not project fear, this is Brexit reality. If you own a business and you are having to cut back due to Brexit , will you lay off those workers you know caused this by voting Leave first ? My answer is YES P45 for Brexiteers. Sorry but I don’t wanna pay for your mistakes. It would be unfair.
You might not have noticed but the economy has been ‘collapsing’ ever since we joined the Federalist zb pile.It’s collapsing under the weight of unsustainable contributions to make other states richer and a trade regime which is all about what’s good for Germany not us.In which case it’s the remainers who should zb off and join their chosen country of the EU and to which they obviously feel they belong and owe their allegiance to. 
The same. Out. I’ve only had my opinions of the EU reinforced since the vote.
Since the referendum the UK is the number one destination for inward investment in Europe, with the technology, renewable energy, life sciences, creative industries and finance all seeing an increase in the number of projects.
Foreign companies and countries are queuing up to do deals with us once we leave. The problem we have is a spineless, appeasing waste of space remainer PM who wants to give away any advantage we have in order to gain a deal worse than the standard one available come next March.
In a development which shows how much influence Germany has on the EU, now that Merkel has secured a working government, the dialogue between the UK and the member states is more business like and the EU/UK negotiations less childish.
I’ve said all along that, throughout this whole process, the political classes can outdo each other on what is the best deal (which usually means the best deal for them), but business will not allow the politicians to destroy international business dealings purely to satisfy the politicians egos. Where this process differs is that large UK businesses, with the backing of the CBI, unions, the Labour Party and general left wing groups, are arguing to continue within the EU’s structures, (Customs Union, Single Market, ECJ) whilst businesses within the other 27 member states are wanting to do deals for when the UK leaves, and they would prefer that to be next March.
robbo99.:
We voted leave, we are leaving.
Are we? The right-wing Brexit is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions!
A vote is a vote, it works for all sides. A vote gave us the opportunity to have our say, we said it. A democracy gives it’s citizens the vote, that vote and result should be honoured.
A democracy also informs it’s citizens, and keeps them informed, in good faith. What we’re seeing is not a functioning democracy in action but mostly a conflict playing out between a discredited establishment and revolutionary agitators amongst the radical right, involving a welter of lies and smears on both sides, and with neither side seeking to improve the lives of ordinary people but both being alternative approaches to preserving the power and wealth of the ruling class in the face of popular discontent.
Stanley Knife:
Since the referendum the UK is the number one destination for inward investment in Europe, with the technology, renewable energy, life sciences, creative industries and finance all seeing an increase in the number of projects.
Really? Such a swell of investment before the question has even been settled?
Foreign companies and countries are queuing up to do deals with us once we leave.
There certainly is. India has promised a free trade deal, consisting of freedom of movement with India! The US can’t wait to foist it’s rotten slaughterhouse products on us, or jab its suckers into our NHS. Truly, there are no end of vultures circling, waiting to do deals with a rightwing government.
I’ve said all along that, throughout this whole process, the political classes can outdo each other on what is the best deal (which usually means the best deal for them), but business will not allow the politicians to destroy international business dealings purely to satisfy the politicians egos. Where this process differs is that large UK businesses, with the backing of the CBI, unions, the Labour Party and general left wing groups, are arguing to continue within the EU’s structures, (Customs Union, Single Market, ECJ) whilst businesses within the other 27 member states are wanting to do deals for when the UK leaves, and they would prefer that to be next March.
So you have a gaggle of foreign businesses foaming at the mouth waiting to move in, but the majority of UK businesses (in an unlikely coalition with “left wing groups”) seem to think it’s going to cause a crisis?
Don’t you think there’s a flurry of contradictions here, that it’s almost entirely foreign private businesses who are gagging for the UK to leave? Is it not plausible that this is because they believe they stand to benefit at our expense?
The nations like Japan, that already have significant investments, don’t seem to be greeting it with the same enthusiasm.
Out all the fooooookingggg way …
I would vote exactly the same way I did last time…
By putting an ‘X’ in a square on a ballot paper.
Rjan:
robbo99.:
We voted leave, we are leaving.Are we? The right-wing Brexit is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions!
A vote is a vote, it works for all sides. A vote gave us the opportunity to have our say, we said it. A democracy gives it’s citizens the vote, that vote and result should be honoured.
A democracy also informs it’s citizens, and keeps them informed, in good faith. What we’re seeing is not a functioning democracy in action but mostly a conflict playing out between a discredited establishment and revolutionary agitators amongst the radical right, involving a welter of lies and smears on both sides, and with neither side seeking to improve the lives of ordinary people but both being alternative approaches to preserving the power and wealth of the ruling class in the face of popular discontent.
So when a general election comes along, do you think the politicians should allow another general election just because a particular party didn’t get elected? Are you saying politicians act in good faith in a democracy? We are mostly given the mushroom treatment and most of them lie through their back teeth. We elect them on their lies and promises, (all parties) and have to go along with the result. We were given the vote and we voted, we voted to leave the EU.