ramone:
If when Barrack Obama was in charge and people who didnt agree with his polices over here decided to put a giant balloon up over London you would have had absolute outrage with those same protesters yesterday calling for the government to take it down because its racist .This is the favourite word of protesters, they use it all the time. So lets say we stay in the EU and continue to let droves of immigrants in we will have protesters on the streets saying the NHS is falling apart .Well of course it is because theres a vey large percentage of immigrants from europe and the sub continent that havent contributed a penny into it who are constantly using its services . Its not rocket science but the EU wont let us charge these freeloaders because they are part of the EU ,its a nonesense . Yesterday we should have been bending over backwards for Donald and made him very welcome as we could do much better business with him than we ever can from the EU
The whole Trump stunt is a BS diversion put up by May in that firstly Trump is a compromised liability even at home let alone here and can’t possibly support Secession in Europe because of the implications of doing that at home.While if he was genuine all he has to say is that the US no longer recognises the UK as an EU member state.It’s clear that the remainers have hijacked the whole agenda and Trump is as much a part of it as May,Macron and Merkel because Secession goes against everything that the US stands for.
Carryfast:
The whole Trump stunt is a BS diversion put up by May in that firstly Trump is a compromised liability even at home let alone here and can’t possibly support Secession in Europe because of the implications of doing that at home.While if he was genuine all he has to say is that the US no longer recognises the UK as an EU member state.It’s clear that the remainers have hijacked the whole agenda and Trump is as much a part of it as May,Macron and Merkel because Secession goes against everything that the US stands for.
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Which part have I got wrong ?.Trump says he supports Brexit but won’t unilaterally withdraw US recognition of the UK as an EU member state which would obviously be a game changer regarding May’s stitch up.For obvious reasons regarding the question of Texit at home.
While this statement could almost have been written by May.‘‘No one gets everything they want’’ but Obama voters obviously get more than Trump voters get.Just as May is delivering for the remainers.Strange idea of democracy going on here.
Buzzer:
Ramone he’s back from his hols I thought you knew, Buzzer.
If anyone really believes that Trump believes in the idea of self determination and secession then read this.Make no mistake Trump,Macron and May are all on the same side in this,because of the implications that Trump supporting UK secession from the EU would have regarding US domestic policy.
I had to turn 5 live off this morning .Nicky Cambell hosting a phone in on a new refferendum for Brexit.Anyone against it was given short change by Mr Cambell.He questioned 1 asking what he voted for in leaving and did he realise what he was voting for .So now the politicians who haven’t delivered what the majority wanted are asking to go to the polls again … what happens if we get an even bigger majority that wants to leave what then .
ramone:
So now the politicians who haven’t delivered what the majority wanted are asking to go to the polls again … what happens if we get an even bigger majority that wants to leave what then .
Standard EU MO.Keep voting until they get the result they want.Or more like in this case do a better job of rigging the count and/or getting more of the immigrant and brainwashed pro EU Federalist younger vote out.
Realistically it’s probably easier to smash the EU from within by joining with other European Nationalists.
Than to rely on the Federalist/Soviet Socialist Brit establishment alliance to ever support secession because all the reasons why we should secede from the EU Federation apply to the UK Federation too.You can obviously include the Royals and the forces in that in preferring a puppet UK regime under EU rule than an independent England.
ramone:
I had to turn 5 live off this morning .Nicky Cambell hosting a phone in on a new refferendum for Brexit.Anyone against it was given short change by Mr Cambell.He questioned 1 asking what he voted for in leaving and did he realise what he was voting for .So now the politicians who haven’t delivered what the majority wanted are asking to go to the polls again … what happens if we get an even bigger majority that wants to leave what then .
I think the majority may have voted for leaving the EU custom zone, leaving EU court control, stopping immigration, increasing trade outside the EU, increased prosperity for the country and all within it?
ramone:
I had to turn 5 live off this morning .Nicky Cambell hosting a phone in on a new refferendum for Brexit.Anyone against it was given short change by Mr Cambell.He questioned 1 asking what he voted for in leaving and did he realise what he was voting for .So now the politicians who haven’t delivered what the majority wanted are asking to go to the polls again … what happens if we get an even bigger majority that wants to leave what then .
I think the majority may have voted for leaving the EU custom zone, leaving EU court control, stopping immigration, increasing trade outside the EU, increased prosperity for the country and all within it?
Morning all,
A lot of people. " not on this thread" seem to be unaware that WTR, world trade rules, is used through out the world, by us and even by othe EU countries as a normal day to day oporation when dealing with countries ouside the EU, so my question is, why are people so afraid of us having a NO Deal with the EU. sure someone will put me right. Harvey
Having a egg customer who is Dutch he came in yesterday for his weeks supply and we were having a chat and he said there is already unrest in Holland as the tax payers have been warned that when Britain leaves the EU agreement or not that they will have to pay considerably more to take up some of the slack from the UK’s contributions and they are not very happy with that as they don’t see why they should be supporting the straggling countries of the EU, they are going to feel it without our dosh for sure Buzzer.
Please note particularly membership of Schengen area and acceptance of Free Movement of Peoples, somewhat modified, but still means that anyone from the EU can enter Switzerland to find work. Not what the Brexshiters voted for I think.
This is not the model that a no-deal Brexit would mean for Britain.
At the moment I, as a Union citizen, or any other UK citizen, can freely enter Switzerland. That will not be the case after Brexit.
Unless that is one of the hundreds of individual bi-lateral agreements which Britain may, or may not, be able to negotiate around the world. But even if it can, it will take a long time. And cost far, far more than Boris’ bus lies because of the army of extra civil servants that will be required to achieve it.
Buzzer:
Having a egg customer who is Dutch he came in yesterday for his weeks supply and we were having a chat and he said there is already unrest in Holland as the tax payers have been warned that when Britain leaves the EU agreement or not that they will have to pay considerably more to take up some of the slack from the UK’s contributions and they are not very happy with that as they don’t see why they should be supporting the straggling countries of the EU, they are going to feel it without our dosh for sure Buzzer.
The small problem with that is Tereason May is going to sell us out on the contributions issue just like all her other EU ruling over us ‘deals’ behind closed doors.Which is why she pushed out Davis to be replaced by Raab who of course represents a majority remain constituency.
As for Switzerland.You do know that they’ve long been signed up to the EU free movement rules including non EU immigration policies.Like the remainers here their grovelling government being happy to be blackmailed by Juncker etc for the privilege of being a net importer of EU goods.So no we don’t want the Swiss model as it stands and beware of the motives of anyone trying to sell it here.When we’ve voted for Leave means Leave and to hopefully smash the stinking zb EU and the rule of dictatorial scum like Juncker and Tusk and the unelected commission that runs the festering zb pile in the process.
Please note particularly membership of Schengen area and acceptance of Free Movement of Peoples, somewhat modified, but still means that anyone from the EU can enter Switzerland to find work. Not what the Brexshiters voted for I think.
This is not the model that a no-deal Brexit would mean for Britain.
At the moment I, as a Union citizen, or any other UK citizen, can freely enter Switzerland. That will not be the case after Brexit.
Unless that is one of the hundreds of individual bi-lateral agreements which Britain may, or may not, be able to negotiate around the world. But even if it can, it will take a long time. And cost far, far more than Boris’ bus lies because of the army of extra civil servants that will be required to achieve it.
But if you’re familiar with Switzerland you’d also know that the whole argument between the pro EU Socialist scum v the Nationalist ( so called far right ) Swiss is at least as vehement and getting moreso by the the day.On that note you do know that the Nationalists there won a referendum to ditch EU immigration rules in a country where decision by referendum is ‘supposedly’ binding.But which like here their treacherous government has chosen to ignore and instead choosing to go grovelling to their EU masters next door in the Fatherland.
So tell us Spardo why are you obviously so keen on being ruled by dictatorial scum like Tusk and Juncker and EU commissioners and them telling us what our respective immigration policy is going to be.Let alone paying this thieving bunch of zb’s a fortune for the privilege of importing their stuff.
Carryfast:
So tell us Spardo why are you obviously so keen on being ruled by dictatorial scum like Tusk and Juncker and EU commissioners and them telling us what our respective immigration policy is going to be.Let alone paying this thieving bunch of zb’s a fortune for the privilege of importing their stuff.
As you well know I don’t accept the ridiculous premise of your question so couldn’t possibly answer it.
Carryfast:
So tell us Spardo why are you obviously so keen on being ruled by dictatorial scum like Tusk and Juncker and EU commissioners and them telling us what our respective immigration policy is going to be.Let alone paying this thieving bunch of zb’s a fortune for the privilege of importing their stuff.
As you well know I don’t accept the ridiculous premise of your question so couldn’t possibly answer it.
Your support for the EU imposed ‘free movement’ rules as they apply to Switzerland is clear enough and which the Swiss voted to dump in a,by definition binding,referendum.While yes you’ve got the right to work in Switzerland bu the reality is that the Swiss employers would rather take on even cheaper non EU immigrant labour helped by their bleeding heart no borders Socialist supporters and which the same ‘free movement’ rules also provide for.‘Asylum seekers’ v the right of Brits to work in Germany and Swiss and vice versa yeah right who are you trying to kid you sound like another one of Rjan’s lot.
Carryfast:
So tell us Spardo why are you obviously so keen on being ruled by dictatorial scum like Tusk and Juncker and EU commissioners and them telling us what our respective immigration policy is going to be.Let alone paying this thieving bunch of zb’s a fortune for the privilege of importing their stuff.
As you well know I don’t accept the ridiculous premise of your question so couldn’t possibly answer it.
Its a simple enough question … why would you want to be ruled by their laws when we can quite easily make a balls of governing outselves
. At least we would have elected our rulers democratically and not been given a load of freeloaders without a choice
Carryfast:
So tell us Spardo why are you obviously so keen on being ruled by dictatorial scum like Tusk and Juncker and EU commissioners and them telling us what our respective immigration policy is going to be.Let alone paying this thieving bunch of zb’s a fortune for the privilege of importing their stuff.
As you well know I don’t accept the ridiculous premise of your question so couldn’t possibly answer it.
Its a simple enough question … why would you want to be ruled by their laws when we can quite easily make a balls of governing outselves
. At least we would have elected our rulers democratically and not been given a load of freeloaders without a choice
OK, In those terms then:
A. Why would I want to be ruled by, as you put it, a government who makes a balls of governing? (You said it )
and:
B. Your leaders are not elected democratically. They are elected by the 1st past the post system. Do you think that the 12% that UKIP got in the last but one election (more than a 3rd of the Tory or Labour share) but only got 1 representative (to their 300 odd) was democratic?
and:
C. Despite being a tax paying British citizen who voted in every single election since 1962 no matter wherever I was in the world, I was not allowed to vote in this one. Some democracy you have there mate.
Spardo:
OK, In those terms then:
A. Why would I want to be ruled by, as you put it, a government who makes a balls of governing? (You said it )
and:
B. Your leaders are not elected democratically. They are elected by the 1st past the post system. Do you think that the 12% that UKIP got in the last but one election (more than a 3rd of the Tory or Labour share) but only got 1 representative (to their 300 odd) was democratic?
and:
C. Despite being a tax paying British citizen who voted in every single election since 1962 no matter wherever I was in the world, I was not allowed to vote in this one. Some democracy you have there mate.
The voting eligibilty rules for the EU referendum were the same as for a general election.IE ‘‘for people who live abroad you can vote if you’re Brit citizen registered to vote here in the last 15 years’’.So what went wrong in your supposed case ?.
As for PR.Great you’ve made a brilliant case for a Confederal Europe in which the PR elected national MEP groups have the sovereign right of national opt out and substitution over the Commissioners and no QMV bollox either.Even I’d vote to remain under that system.
But that obviously ain’t what you’re all about in clearly supporting the EU Federal government system in which a foreign majority vote ( QMV ) can impose its wishes against a National vote or for that matter in which unelected Commissioners play a large disproportionate role in the decision making process.Even in the case of non EU countries like Switzerland which are stupid enough to submit to such a scam and which have no representation at all in the EU parliament for all it’s worth anyway.All of which is obviously even worse than our flawed dodgy electoral system.
Which in our case means the EU government imposing our immigration policy.Among other laws and conveniently deciding that we have to pay the EU a fortune in net contributions for the privilege of being a net importer of its stuff.With massive taxation combined with austerity here at home to pay for it all.Not to mention Brit jobs for EU and non EU workers resulting from EU immigration policy.Now awaits the lie that the EU doesn’t also impose non EU immigration quotas on member states to go with all its other cheap labour free movement policies.
While if you’ve been old enough to vote since 1962 that would also obviously wreck the bs remainer argument that Brexit voters are all old people.
ramone:
I had to turn 5 live off this morning .Nicky Cambell hosting a phone in on a new refferendum for Brexit.Anyone against it was given short change by Mr Cambell.He questioned 1 asking what he voted for in leaving and did he realise what he was voting for .So now the politicians who haven’t delivered what the majority wanted are asking to go to the polls again … what happens if we get an even bigger majority that wants to leave what then .
I think the majority may have voted for leaving the EU custom zone, leaving EU court control, stopping immigration, increasing trade outside the EU, increased prosperity for the country and all within it?
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Well that`s what i voted for
Well, what if someone voted for lower taxes and increased spending on hospitals and pensions?
Much of the leave campaign promised the impossible.
Remember how they said the EU couldnt afford to loose the UK as a customer? How they would fall over themselves to make good deals? How our leaving would be smooth and painless, with the US etc etc waiting to throw money at us, just because we are nice people? I daresay Farage will stand there on the sidelines, and explain how itd all be different if he was in charge, but there we are, were all experts when we know we know we dont have to prove anything.
HRS:
Morning all,
A lot of people. " not on this thread" seem to be unaware that WTR, world trade rules, is used through out the world, by us and even by othe EU countries as a normal day to day oporation when dealing with countries ouside the EU, so my question is, why are people so afraid of us having a NO Deal with the EU. sure someone will put me right. Harvey
With WTR rules our products would be taxed in the countries we currently sell to. So, Jags, LandRovers, plus Nissans, Hondas made in the UK and sold into the EU would suddenly be more expensive there. Consequently less would be sold and our balance of payments would be even worse than now. Probably the likes of Nissan and Honda would seek to invest in factories in the EU rather than the UK to avoid such tariffs (import taxes) one would assume. And since Jag/LR are owned by TATA, where will future investment go?
Brexiteers seem to think we can strike new deals outside of the EU to increase sales in the future. Seems to me that`s a possible, maybe “birds in the bush” against the tariff free “bird in the hand” of a free trade EU today.
No Deal would mean our products would become more expensive to foreign consumers.
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