gazzer:
BBC Parliament:
Mark Drayford (First Minister) in Wales;“Boris Johnson has been found guilty of misleading Parliament in order to subvert democracy by the prorogation of parliament”.
Is that not what the Remainers are trying their best to do in any way they can, subvert the democratic right of Brexiters by reason of a referendum?
My sentiments entirely Gazzer we all know Boris is trying to give us what we voted for in a supposed democratic society hope he succeeds.
Buzzer:
gazzer:
BBC Parliament:
Mark Drayford (First Minister) in Wales;“Boris Johnson has been found guilty of misleading Parliament in order to subvert democracy by the prorogation of parliament”.
Is that not what the Remainers are trying their best to do in any way they can, subvert the democratic right of Brexiters by reason of a referendum?
My sentiments entirely Gazzer we all know Boris is trying to give us what we voted for in a supposed democratic society hope he succeeds.
Federalists applying and using the law selectively to further their own cause who would have thought it.
As for Boris he is just another a remainer who’s stage managing a false flag agenda.No surprise that he nor any of all the other Federalist zbwits who have hijacked the country have never gone to court with the case that Heath misled parliament and possibly the Queen by hiding FCO 30/1048.
Or maybe the Queen did know about it when she signed assent to the European Communities Act.Which explains everything.Repealing it now in grounds of sovereignty would obviously implicate her.
Well now the pendulum swings once more, with the news of Tommy Cook’s demise being the lead story on all news channels for a day we are now having to suffer all the jibes from remainers and of course that little man syndrome Bercow as the ruling of the high court went against Boris and the proroguing of parliament, going on from that at the labour party conference there pathetic leader Corbin brought forward his speech to this afternoon just so he could have a moment of personal reveling with a lot of his cronies applauding him with vigor, but just how long will he be at the helm ? not long IMHO.
Labour are as divided if not more than the Conservatives at this present time and what really got up my nose was Corbin going on about how undemocratic Boris was for his actions, he does not understand the meaning of the word and should for sure not use it.
Suppose we are all knackered now as if we were planning to escape this country and its corrupt parliament system of ours with all its remainer MP’s going against the democratic vote we all had well we will have to find another travel company to do it with now.
Of course we could have a double whammy with a Corbin led government and not leaving the EU then we really would be in the smelly stuff and the population will get its just deserts all for the will of so few MP’s who have tried to destroy our chances of leaving the EU.
Bexit is over, finished, won’t happen. The “Establishment” has made sure of that. Boris Johnson is also finished, no matter how long he tries to hang on for as PM. He chose a very high risk and reckless strategy from his first day in office, before he had chance to work out,who and what he was up against.
Whatever the next few days and weeks bring I fear that we could be heading for dangerous times. There are plenty of very angry, disillusioned, and disappointed people in the UK right now.
gingerfold:
Bexit is over, finished, won’t happen. The “Establishment” has made sure of that. Boris Johnson is also finished, no matter how long he tries to hang on for as PM. He chose a very high risk and reckless strategy from his first day in office, before he had chance to work out,who and what he was up against.Whatever the next few days and weeks bring I fear that we could be heading for dangerous times. There are plenty of very angry, disillusioned, and disappointed people in the UK right now.
But are they angry, disillusioned and disappointed enough to take it on to the streets with violence to show they are not happy with this situation, probably not but who knows what will come in a general election which is surely very soon upon us, or will they be so disillusioned as to not bother to vote at all as there voices are not heard as this is what I fear will happen, Buzzer
i’m not so much disallusioned but very angry and disappointed that democracy never worked in the first place. 
At Least we have had what Bouget & Faridje wanted - we have taken back control - tho not what some wanted
BUT we have taken back control that is what we wanted isn’t it ■■
Maybe Nigel & Mogg should appeal to the European court
Quote “What’s making Brexiters angry today? They were the ones who wanted “sovereignty””
gingerfold:
Bexit is over, finished, won’t happen. The “Establishment” has made sure of that. Boris Johnson is also finished, no matter how long he tries to hang on for as PM. He chose a very high risk and reckless strategy from his first day in office, before he had chance to work out,who and what he was up against.Whatever the next few days and weeks bring I fear that we could be heading for dangerous times. There are plenty of very angry, disillusioned, and disappointed people in the UK right now.
If the Head of State and the forces want to hand the country over to the 4th Reich let the place go it’s not worth it.This will either all come to a head in two or 3 generations’ time.Or the present flag waving useful idiots will get what they wish for when the call up papers for the EU army arrive on the mat for the Russian front before that.
As for Boris he knew exactly what he was doing infiltrating and then crashing the Leave side.Did anyone really think that the Party which took us into the EU,by hiding FCO 30/1048,would now take us out of it.Notice Farage has gone very quiet again now that he’s wrecked Batten and UKIP.
Buzzer:
But are they angry, disillusioned and disappointed enough to take it on to the streets with violence to show they are not happy with this situation, probably not but who knows what will come in a general election which is surely very soon upon us, or will they be so disillusioned as to not bother to vote at all as there voices are not heard as this is what I fear will happen, Buzzer
Firstly with a Head of State and forces on the side of the 4th Reich no one would be that stupid the place isn’t worth it.
As for an election same applies.Vote on principle this time and if the Federalists win on constituency boundaries and sheep voting for the establishment we’ve lost nothing because the place is a lost cause anyway.It was always going to go this way from the point when May took over from Cameron and Starmer won out over Hoey.The country is now set on course for another Yugoslavia 1991 if not Missouri 1861-5 probably long after we’re all gone.Prepare for revocation to seal its fate in that regard.
whisperingsmith:
At Least we have had what Bouget & Faridje wanted - we have taken back control - tho not what some wantedBUT we have taken back control that is what we wanted isn’t it ■■
Maybe Nigel & Mogg should appeal to the European court
Quote “What’s making Brexiters angry today? They were the ones who wanted “sovereignty””
No sovereignty obviously doesn’t mean handing over the country’s government to a foreign power and the Federalist traitors know it.
Keep a eye on your ditches !
Today has made it clear that we are not governed by a Government and Prime Minister but by a very rich woman who has made her fortune in the speculative financial market, but who when it came to it was not prepared to risk her own shekels on a court action ; a few has-been politicians; and a bunch of senile wiggies who quite probably have a history of patting murderers on the back and telling them not to be naughtly little boys, but who would pass down 30 year sentences on train/ jewel robbers etc who upset the Establishment. We now await his aholiness Mr Speaker to hand over to the Liberal Irrelevants and Ma Kranky’s boys tomorrow with a motion to revoke article 50.
If that comes about then it will light the blue touch paper. We shall see, it’s not over until the fat lady sings.
cav551:
We now await his aholiness Mr Speaker to hand over to the Liberal Irrelevants and Ma Kranky’s boys tomorrow with a motion to revoke article 50.
Or BRINO given a bit longer for the charade to play out.Just as was planned since Cameron handed over the agenda to May.While Farage seems to have gone quiet on the subject again.
This whole saga is better than watching Eastenders.
cav551:
Today has made it clear that we are not governed by a Government and Prime Minister but by a very rich woman who has made her fortune in the speculative financial market, but who when it came to it was not prepared to risk her own shekels on a court action ; a few has-been politicians; and a bunch of senile wiggies who quite probably have a history of patting murderers on the back and telling them not to be naughtly little boys, but who would pass down 30 year sentences on train/ jewel robbers etc who upset the Establishment. We now await his aholiness Mr Speaker to hand over to the Liberal Irrelevants and Ma Kranky’s boys tomorrow with a motion to revoke article 50.If that comes about then it will light the blue touch paper. We shall see, it’s not over until the fat lady sings.
No.
We have laws, and a Prime Minister is not above those laws. Being elected doesn’t mean a PM or governing party becomes a 4 year dictatorship.
And in this particular case we even have a minority government.
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Just think, we could have been out already if Johnson, Rees-Mogg and other ERG members had voted earlier, with their own party for the Brexit deal offered.
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And if any consider saying
“That isn’t the Brexit we voted for”
remember your arguments when it was pointed out by you that “out means out” and that was an out…
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I’ve said many times that the Brexit imagined in the Leave Campaign etc manifesto was nonsense. We can all see it’s nonsense now.
Maybe a referendum on something nearer the truth, rather than the unicorn populated utopia promised by Farage, Gove, Redwood, etc is the way?
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A one issue General Election could see voters split between voting for a that is with them on this one issue, but against them on all others?
The Brexit Party doesn’t even have a manifesto! Some may want out of the EU, but not want the NHS privatised, and end up voting for them.
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It will be interesting to see what happens in the next elections, Lib Dems have already put their remain stance in place , the Labour jokers don’t know which way to turn and the Tories are the same , it was a strange reaction when Boris refused the help from Nigel Farage maybe the Tories might think again because the next election will be like another referendum
ramone:
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next elections, Lib Dems have already put their remain stance in place , the Labour jokers don’t know which way to turn and the Tories are the same , it was a strange reaction when Boris refused the help from Nigel Farage maybe the Tories might think again because the next election will be like another referendum
I largely agree with you.
But would a “one issue” election be just a referendum with a four year hangover when any party getting on on one issue can dump any other toxic laws on us all afterwards?
On principle I think referendums are a bad idea in our representative form of government, but since a badly planned referendum for us here, maybe we need another to get us out of this mess?
When you look at it this country is not run by parliament it is run by the courts and its decisions, democracy is a word which is used every day by remainers but few have the real understanding of the word else we would have left the EU long time ago. Basically if Bojo needs a crap now they would probably get a court order to stop him in his tracks and this is no way to run a country, it is obvious that we need a general election now as the Conservatives have no majority as it stands and Boris asked for this but was rejected but when TM did the same it was granted, how come ?
The EU now apparently want an extra 14 billion from us and the supreme courts ruling does not help the cause of getting a deal with them, they don’t want to know that’s a given all they want is us to keep us donating our taxes to there cause which is corrupt. There are 18 member states who do not contribute any monies how can this be right, bit like the Labour party they want to strip the finances of the successful and give it away to the poor, a bit like a modern Robin Hood gang, there are those in our society that are doers and those who do naff all and its time this was halted, bet that most on this thread know of someone or several who are milking the benefit system with some family’s now with 2nd & 3rd generation dole mongers who have absolutely no incentive to get out of bed and go to work, we need to change the system and stop this rot and perhaps CF is right give these no hopers call up papers for the EU army that would make them get out of bed, Buzzer
Geoffo:
This whole saga is better than watching Eastenders.
Way better then EE Geoffo, I banned that years ago, but watching all the wringing of hands here is addictive. 
Franglais:
On principle I think referendums are a bad idea in our representative form of government, but since a badly planned referendum for us here, maybe we need another to get us out of this mess?
I agree entirely and have said so since Cameron first promised one, so I can hardly espouse yet another, but if it is the only way to go, then so be it. But a GE with at least 3 parties standing on a platform of revoke is as much democracy as we are likely to get in the UK these days.
Buzzer:
…it is obvious that we need a general election now as the Conservatives have no majority as it stands and Boris asked for this but was rejected but when TM did the same it was granted, how come ?
Since you have asked the question Buzzer, it is denied at the moment because the whole opposition does not trust the liar Johnson not to break the law and take the country out of the EU without a deal. After the 31st of October and that danger is past, a GE is the way to go. Nothing to do with being cowardly or frightened, simply a matter of lack of trust.
Mrs. May was allowed a GE because she was negotiating a deal, not working towards a deadline looming of no deal. 
Franglais:
cav551:
Today has made it clear that we are not governed by a Government and Prime Minister but by a very rich woman who has made her fortune in the speculative financial market, but who when it came to it was not prepared to risk her own shekels on a court action ; a few has-been politicians; and a bunch of senile wiggies who quite probably have a history of patting murderers on the back and telling them not to be naughtly little boys, but who would pass down 30 year sentences on train/ jewel robbers etc who upset the Establishment. We now await his aholiness Mr Speaker to hand over to the Liberal Irrelevants and Ma Kranky’s boys tomorrow with a motion to revoke article 50.If that comes about then it will light the blue touch paper. We shall see, it’s not over until the fat lady sings.
No.
We have laws, and a Prime Minister is not above those laws. Being elected doesn’t mean a PM or governing party becomes a 4 year dictatorship.
And in this particular case we even have a minority government.
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Just think, we could have been out already if Johnson, Rees-Mogg and other ERG members had voted earlier, with their own party for the Brexit deal offered
Yes we have laws and the most important one says that the government can’t delegate its authority to a foreign power.You know like the EU Commission,Parliament and ECJ.The Brexit ‘deal’ on offer kept us tied to the decisions made by any or all of them.No surprise that Federalists have a selective view of which laws we have to obey and those they wish to ignore.
