Eu referendum whats your vote

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HRS:

Carryfast:

HRS:
Morning All.
I wonder how many people will have something nice to say about this PM. Harvey… I can hear the key boards from here.

:unamused:

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I think the “jist” of the picture is that if she was tasked with the job of getting us out, she would, regardless of her own beliefs.
Unless you know otherwise, she had integrity.

No the jist of the picture is that she helped Heath to ditch Powell and keep us in ‘because’ of her own beliefs.Just like May was put in place and enthusiastically accepted the job to sabotage Brexit ‘because’ of hers.As for her integrity yes we saw that in action in the way that she threw the Brit mining industry under the bus in favour of imported coal etc making us a net importer of energy.Together with our manufacturing industry.With a lot of help from Callaghan.Thatcher’s integrity was all about looking after the interests of her banker class cronies’ foreign investments.

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Theresa May has said how sorry she feels for the fire at Notre Dam , she also said that her feelings were with the people of France.I agree it’s a great shame to see a piece of history destroyed by fire which has been around since the 11th century Now do you think her feelings will go out to the 17.5 million people she sold down the river when their votes proved to be the majority voting to leave the EU … i very much doubt it

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ramone:
Theresa May has said how sorry she feels for the fire at Notre Dam , she also said that her feelings were with the people of France.I agree it’s a great shame to see a piece of history destroyed by fire which has been around since the 11th century Now do you think her feelings will go out to the 17.5 million people she sold down the river when their votes proved to be the majority voting to leave the EU … i very much doubt it

Maybe it will give that ■■■■■■■■ Macron something else to think about as they will have to find somewhere else to grieve if we ever leave the EU, Buzzer

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Just waiting for TM to finish her walk in the country that wont be ours much longer if she has her way to come back to Downing Street and pledge a million or so to rebuild Macrons burnt out Cathedral, nothing would surprise me at all for her to get him on side, Buzzer

The fund has already hit 1 billion Euro’s.

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She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. I think macron is a snivelling little turd out to bathe in reflected glory for himself on the back of this disaster. That said Notre Dame is, after the Vatican, the most treasured building in the Catholic Church, adored all over the world - and importantly by Catholics in this Country. As a committed Christian May must be struggling with this, Catholicism has been the cause of great trouble in our History so an official Governmnt donation will be criticised. However there are times when the right thing to do may not always be the popular thing to do. I think that perhaps she will wait to see what other countries do. A donation coming from Israel or the Arab world for instance would signify that it would be a matter of solidarity with what the building represents to France and her people.

We should remember that this could so easily have been Canterbury Cathedral; the heart of the Anglican Christian Church, equally revered worldwide; which had suffered. So What would we have thought then about other countries possible financial help? In truth we would have been equally lucky should the Cathedral have survived such a conflagration. If the Pompiers de Paris were presented with a challenge to get heavy equipment near to the building, then the situation at Canterbury is possibly worse. The access to the Precints for the size of vehicle necessary to reach roof level in safety with a monitor, is probably not possible. While the building has dry risers on the south side the same is not so on the more difficult north side. Kent Fire Brigade obviously keeps is plans for dealing with a roof fire in the Cathedral up to date, but as was clear in Paris it takes time to get mutiple specialist vehicles on site from maybe sixty miles away, time they haven’t got. As we are hearing today the reason Notre Dame was saved from total collapse was down to individual firefighters working at height on the building without the knowledge of an available retreat to safety.

Hat firmly removed in respect.

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cav551:
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. I think macron is a snivelling little turd out to bathe in reflected glory for himself on the back of this disaster. That said Notre Dame is, after the Vatican, the most treasured building in the Catholic Church, adored all over the world - and importantly by Catholics in this Country. As a committed Christian May must be struggling with this, Catholicism has been the cause of great trouble in our History so an official Governmnt donation will be criticised. However there are times when the right thing to do may not always be the popular thing to do. I think that perhaps she will wait to see what other countries do. A donation coming from Israel or the Arab world for instance would signify that it would be a matter of solidarity with what the building represents to France and her people.

We should remember that this could so easily have been Canterbury Cathedral; the heart of the Anglican Christian Church, equally revered worldwide; which had suffered. So What would we have thought then about other countries possible financial help? In truth we would have been equally lucky should the Cathedral have survived such a conflagration. If the Pompiers de Paris were presented with a challenge to get heavy equipment near to the building, then the situation at Canterbury is possibly worse. The access to the Precints for the size of vehicle necessary to reach roof level in safety with a monitor, is probably not possible. While the building has dry risers on the south side the same is not so on the more difficult north side. Kent Fire Brigade obviously keeps is plans for dealing with a roof fire in the Cathedral up to date, but as was clear in Paris it takes time to get mutiple specialist vehicles on site from maybe sixty miles away, time they haven’t got. As we are hearing today the reason Notre Dame was saved from total collapse was down to individual firefighters working at height on the building without the knowledge of an available retreat to safety.

Hat firmly removed in respect.

A gesture of solidarity would be welcome and appreciated, and I can understand the feeling in France, and indeed worldwide, about the fire in Notre Dame.
But, just wondering, shouldn’t The Vatican be able to pick up the tab for this? They’re not exactly short of a bob or two.

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Ok, I’ve been at work and have been away from this forum for a few days. Did I miss anything?
Apparently not. The EU granted the UK an extension, and Parliament thought, ‘OK, we’ve bought some time, what’ll we do? Hey! Let’s go on holiday’.

Yes, I know there are set dates for parliamentary recess, and Brexit wasn’t meant to drag on this long, but, given that our MP’s were only debating the biggest disruption to our economy and standards of living in generations, and given that with Brexit there’s a fixed deadline to work towards, shouldn’t they have at least made an effort to resolve it? Or at least use every available day to TRY to resolve it?

They are members of Parliament after all, and WE put them there. They knocked on doors, smiled, shook hands, made promises, blah, blah, blah, and people then made the effort to leave their house and cast their vote for them. They made their career choice and it seems now that they don’t want to accept the consequences of that career choice.

Do MP’s think they don’t have enough time at home with the family? Aye, if so, why don’t you come on to TruckNet and complain about that, we’re all ears.

It’s looking (just an opinion) that Brexit isn’t going to happen, and to be honest I don’t want it to happen, but I’m not happy about that.
In a free and fair vote the People said ‘Leave’. They are going to feel betrayed if it doesn’t happen.

It’ll be for the best if it doesn’t happen, but the point is that we allegedly live in a Democracy. What is the point of voting if the vote is casually ignored?

Whatever the outcome of Brexit, damage has been done. It doesn’t matter if (or why) you voted ‘Leave’ or ‘Remain’, the divisions are going to be with us for years to come.

Well done David Cameron you spineless ■■■■■■■■■■■■■. By trying to sort out the squabbles within your Party you ■■■■■■ up the country. (by the way, what’s he up to these days, he’s keeping a very low profile)

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dexxy57:

cav551:
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. I think macron is a snivelling little turd out to bathe in reflected glory for himself on the back of this disaster. That said Notre Dame is, after the Vatican, the most treasured building in the Catholic Church, adored all over the world - and importantly by Catholics in this Country. As a committed Christian May must be struggling with this, Catholicism has been the cause of great trouble in our History so an official Governmnt donation will be criticised. However there are times when the right thing to do may not always be the popular thing to do. I think that perhaps she will wait to see what other countries do. A donation coming from Israel or the Arab world for instance would signify that it would be a matter of solidarity with what the building represents to France and her people.

We should remember that this could so easily have been Canterbury Cathedral; the heart of the Anglican Christian Church, equally revered worldwide; which had suffered. So What would we have thought then about other countries possible financial help? In truth we would have been equally lucky should the Cathedral have survived such a conflagration. If the Pompiers de Paris were presented with a challenge to get heavy equipment near to the building, then the situation at Canterbury is possibly worse. The access to the Precints for the size of vehicle necessary to reach roof level in safety with a monitor, is probably not possible. While the building has dry risers on the south side the same is not so on the more difficult north side. Kent Fire Brigade obviously keeps is plans for dealing with a roof fire in the Cathedral up to date, but as was clear in Paris it takes time to get mutiple specialist vehicles on site from maybe sixty miles away, time they haven’t got. As we are hearing today the reason Notre Dame was saved from total collapse was down to individual firefighters working at height on the building without the knowledge of an available retreat to safety.

Hat firmly removed in respect.

A gesture of solidarity would be welcome and appreciated, and I can understand the feeling in France, and indeed worldwide, about the fire in Notre Dame.
But, just wondering, shouldn’t The Vatican be able to pick up the tab for this? They’re not exactly short of a bob or two.

The building is, I believe, owned by the French state? The church is not established in France since the revolution?
As the ArchBishop of York says isn’t there a question about giving money for a building when people are starving elsewhere?
Kids having limbs blown off by decades old ordnance is still happening. Shouldn’t more cash go there? And supporting desperate civilians in Libya?
Anyway, I guess the Vatican has lawyer’s bills to cover…

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cav551:
As a committed Christian May must be struggling with this, Catholicism has been the cause of great trouble in our History

To be fair as a christened C of E,who obviously some of the more civilised aspects of Catholicism,such as the sanctity of life must have got into,from my mixed marriage grand parentage,it was more a case of the French descended ■■■■ crazed Henry V111 acting as self appointed Church because he wanted more than one wife.Then laughably calling the result the ‘Church of England’ when our last true English King and Church was most definitely Catholic.

As for the Notre Dame incident just maybe karma in that England was wrongly invaded in the fraudulent name of the Church by William in 1066 and now France is enthusiastically again going along its dodgy hypocritical path of pretending to follow the Church while actually wanting ‘Secularism’ ( the Church can mean whatever megalomaniacs like Napoleon and Macron want it to mean ).Then trying to put Europe under the rule of that dodgy ideology from Napoleon to now Macron obviously helped by stasi Merkel.

As for May no surprise that she’s never made the case that Anglo Saxon England was a Catholic based nation but fiercely independent and seperate from the Continent and should return to such.Which would obviously be difficult with a Head of State sworn to and descended from the exact opposite.On that note check out the comments out there which say that Macron would probably prefer to rebuild the place as a Mosque to suit his own agenda in that regard.Probably while May and Merkel applaud from the side lines.

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Franglais:
The building is, I believe, owned by the French state? The church is not established in France since the revolution?

Let’s get this right.The French invade England in the name of the Catholic Church eventually resulting in Plantagenet descended Henry V111 chucking out more than 1,000 years of our established Catholic Religious heritage and replacing it with his own self styled Church which laughs at the sanctity of marriage and life and making Englishman believe it is ‘their’ Church often at the point of a sword.Just as the Plantagenets had made them believe they were fighting for England in imposing their Continental fiefdom on the rest of the British Isles previously.

While at home in France they actually eventually trash the whole Church and Christian religion and then call it and make it mean anything they want it to mean as part of that all in the so called name of ‘secularism’.Although not surprising from the same rabble which murdered Thomas Beckett. :unamused:

Let’s just say I won’t be contributing to the ‘re build’.

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Franglais:

dexxy57:

cav551:
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. I think macron is a snivelling little turd out to bathe in reflected glory for himself on the back of this disaster. That said Notre Dame is, after the Vatican, the most treasured building in the Catholic Church, adored all over the world - and importantly by Catholics in this Country. As a committed Christian May must be struggling with this, Catholicism has been the cause of great trouble in our History so an official Governmnt donation will be criticised. However there are times when the right thing to do may not always be the popular thing to do. I think that perhaps she will wait to see what other countries do. A donation coming from Israel or the Arab world for instance would signify that it would be a matter of solidarity with what the building represents to France and her people.

We should remember that this could so easily have been Canterbury Cathedral; the heart of the Anglican Christian Church, equally revered worldwide; which had suffered. So What would we have thought then about other countries possible financial help? In truth we would have been equally lucky should the Cathedral have survived such a conflagration. If the Pompiers de Paris were presented with a challenge to get heavy equipment near to the building, then the situation at Canterbury is possibly worse. The access to the Precints for the size of vehicle necessary to reach roof level in safety with a monitor, is probably not possible. While the building has dry risers on the south side the same is not so on the more difficult north side. Kent Fire Brigade obviously keeps is plans for dealing with a roof fire in the Cathedral up to date, but as was clear in Paris it takes time to get mutiple specialist vehicles on site from maybe sixty miles away, time they haven’t got. As we are hearing today the reason Notre Dame was saved from total collapse was down to individual firefighters working at height on the building without the knowledge of an available retreat to safety.

Hat firmly removed in respect.

A gesture of solidarity would be welcome and appreciated, and I can understand the feeling in France, and indeed worldwide, about the fire in Notre Dame.
But, just wondering, shouldn’t The Vatican be able to pick up the tab for this? They’re not exactly short of a bob or two.

The building is, I believe, owned by the French state? The church is not established in France since the revolution?
As the ArchBishop of York says isn’t there a question about giving money for a building when people are starving elsewhere?
Kids having limbs blown off by decades old ordnance is still happening. Shouldn’t more cash go there? And supporting desperate civilians in Libya?
Anyway, I guess the Vatican has lawyer’s bills to cover…

It is indeed owned by the State. I should have checked before I posted.
Good point about prioritising money for buildings instead of people.
And yes, might just be a few lawsuits heading the Vatican’s way . . .

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Franglais:
The building is, I believe, owned by the French state? The church is not established in France since the revolution?
As the ArchBishop of York says isn’t there a question about giving money for a building when people are starving elsewhere?
Kids having limbs blown off by decades old ordnance is still happening. Shouldn’t more cash go there? And supporting desperate civilians in Libya?
Anyway, I guess the Vatican has lawyer’s bills to cover…

As a committed non Christian ( and non any other superstition), Amen to that. :wink:
I don’t know who owns ND but though it certainly was the revolution that brought it about, church and state were not formally separated till the early 1900s I believe. (I think the revolutionaries chopped of more priest heads than aristo ones).

dexxy57:
Well done David Cameron you spineless piece of [zb]. By trying to sort out the squabbles within your Party you [zb] up the country. (by the way, what’s he up to these days, he’s keeping a very low profile)

And Amen to all that too, though I don’t share your view that revoqueing article 50 (though desirable for both of us) would be a betrayal of anything. Referendums are not binding in Britain and just because politicians say they will stick to a really bad one doesn’t make this one any more binding. Of all the promises ever, and regularly, made and just as regularly, broken, why is this single one so sacrosanct? It isn’t, and the information that we have now but didn’t have before justifies ignoring it.

I also don’t share the belief that Brexit will fail. I believe it will happen, but not with a result that anyone will welcome, on both sides of the discussion.

One last thing re

(by the way, what’s he up to these days, he’s keeping a very low profile)

, I believe he’s got a book coming out. Well, what a surprise, but I will only buy a copy if someone will hold him down long enough for me to stuff it down his throat. :smiling_imp:

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Spardo:

dexxy57:
Well done David Cameron you spineless piece of [zb]. By trying to sort out the squabbles within your Party you [zb] up the country. (by the way, what’s he up to these days, he’s keeping a very low profile)

And Amen to all that too, though I don’t share your view that revoqueing article 50 (though desirable for both of us) would be a betrayal of anything. Referendums are not binding in Britain and just because politicians say they will stick to a really bad one doesn’t make this one any more binding. Of all the promises ever, and regularly, made and just as regularly, broken, why is this single one so sacrosanct? It isn’t, and the information that we have now but didn’t have before justifies ignoring it.

Which ‘country’ are you and Dexxy referring to bearing in mind that your allegiance is obviously to the EU flag and not this ‘country’s’ one and a non sovereign vassal state of the EU can’t by definition be a ‘country’.Now awaits the Federalist lie that the EU is a Confederation of Sovereign ‘countries’.BS.

As for information we have now.Yes that would be FC0 30/1048 and bearing in mind how you hate the idea of a referendum vote to settle the issue on your side and that voting an internationally recognised De Facto nation state out of existence and into a self appointed, undeclared,so not even De Jure let alone De Facto,European Federation seems illegal under international law anyway.Then we obviously left the EU in 1975 and the two years between that and 1973 were an illegal mistake on the part of the government including the so called ‘Head of State’ who should have been marched out of office with Heath and all the rest of our MP’s with the exception of Powell,Benn,Shore,and Heffer and a few others like Castle.

So zb the EU and all those who bear allegiance to its stinking corrupt evil empire and burn its rotten flag.On that note feel free to ignore the referendum vote just like anyone with true allegiance to this country would have been duty bound to if your side had ‘won’ it.

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Spardo:
I believe he’s got a book coming out. Well, what a surprise, but I will only buy a copy if someone will hold him down long enough for me to stuff it down his throat. :smiling_imp:

Offer tickets and that’ll make much more his sodding book will. [emoji5]

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It will be interesting to see what happens in the European Elections , there’s alot of angry people out there who are going to vote Farage because of how May and the rest of the clowns in parliment have handled the Brexit vote with contempt.I have yet to meet a remainer on my daily
deliveries.Maybe that second referendum vote could be a good thing , then again what’s the point of a vote if the result doesn’t sit well with the ■■■ holes in charge .The country is gone

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ramone:
…ote with contempt.I have yet to meet a remainer on my daily
deliveries.Maybe that se…

And yet I meet few Leavers?
Maybe it’s because I start conversations with" Hello. You ain’t one of them Brexit idiots are you?" whilst I wave a crowbar around…
:wink:
Personal experiences aren’t always a good guide.

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Spardo:

dexxy57:
Well done David Cameron you spineless piece of [zb]. By trying to sort out the squabbles within your Party you [zb] up the country. (by the way, what’s he up to these days, he’s keeping a very low profile)

And Amen to all that too, though I don’t share your view that revoqueing article 50 (though desirable for both of us) would be a betrayal of anything. Referendums are not binding in Britain and just because politicians say they will stick to a really bad one doesn’t make this one any more binding. Of all the promises ever, and regularly, made and just as regularly, broken, why is this single one so sacrosanct? It isn’t, and the information that we have now but didn’t have before justifies ignoring it.

I also don’t share the belief that Brexit will fail. I believe it will happen, but not with a result that anyone will welcome, on both sides of the discussion.

You’re right, the Referendum was non-binding. I don’t remember the non-binding bit being stressed too much at the time though. As for the information (or mis-information, to be more accurate) that we were being fed, it just shows how much contempt politicians have for the public.

The result isn’t sacrosanct, and they could still legally wriggle out of it by playing the ‘non-binding’ card I suppose. I don’t think they will though, they’ve gone too far, Theresa’s committed to it, and any replacement PM is going to be even more committed. The only safety net they have is a second referendum and neither of the major parties seems to want that. A second referendum would make sense given the information that’s come to light since 2016, but it would possibly divide the nation even further. (The ‘nation’, CF, being the UK. You know, this vassal ■■■■ hole that provides the services you use, including your broadband, and allows you the freedom to spout your endless myopic pish on the internet).

In 2016 there was a binary vote. Leave or Remain. Those who voted Leave didn’t vote for any particular deal. There were no deals at the time. It was either stay or go. Nice and simple, just the way you want a choice to be. And off the Leavers marched, clutching their Union Jacks, and voted to make Britain great again. What was there not to like about Farage, Boris and Gove when they promised us we would ‘Take Back Control’? £350 million a week for the NHS? Yeah, sign me up, sounds brilliant. 80 million Turks with free access to Britain? Wouldn’t want that, would we? People actually fell for this.

We can make our own trade deals we were told, countries will be queuing up to trade with us. ‘It’ll be the easiest deal in history’ said Liam Fox, and to be fair to him, he’s delivered. We’ve got new deals now with the Faroe Islands, Fiji and Switzerland. The good times can’t be far away.

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Franglais:

ramone:
…ote with contempt.I have yet to meet a remainer on my daily
deliveries.Maybe that se…

And yet I meet few Leavers?
Maybe it’s because I start conversations with" Hello. You ain’t one of them Brexit idiots are you?" whilst I wave a crowbar around…
:wink:
Personal experiences aren’t always a good guide.

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So now you are casting aspertions without foundation , maybe lies would please you more

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ramone:

Franglais:

ramone:
…ote with contempt.I have yet to meet a remainer on my daily
deliveries.Maybe that se…

And yet I meet few Leavers?
Maybe it’s because I start conversations with" Hello. You ain’t one of them Brexit idiots are you?" whilst I wave a crowbar around…
:wink:
Personal experiences aren’t always a good guide.

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So now you are casting aspertions without foundation , maybe lies would please you more

It was a tounge in cheek comment, with no malice intended towards you.
But seriously, don’t we all tend to mix and converse with people we are comfortable with? We may not live in bubbles my circle of friends may have only a few Leavers in but I don’t kid myself that’s a reflection of the country as a whole.

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