Did Greta Thunberg save any dolphins today in Bristol?

manalishi:
Yup watermelon activists,Green on the outside red on the inside.The whole Green- movement has long been a busted flush.I made a recent call to Greenpeace central,asking if two enormous Dutch owned,Romanian crewed factory trawlers,currently hoovering up the bass and cod stocks off the Isle Of Wight,was on their collective radar.Retorts given of the most machine,-tooled,generation snowflake cobblers you could possibly imagine.(Global warming) seemingly the all conquering,go-to mantra.

You can be fined if caught taking home the odd bass from the shoreline and yet these leviathons plough on relentlessly,been here for many a long month,probably with nets the size of Cardiff,just a complete mockery of anything resembling sustainable.All modern charities,conservation bodies have been long compromised by so called (common purpose) Tavistock- Institute directives and they don’t seem to get that we just aren’t buying into the bowlocks.

^ This

Global Warming read ‘wealth redistribution’ ( cheap fossil fuel no problem for ‘developing’ ( poorer countries ).Or the Commy Chinese leadership.

Another standard for us read captive market for the nuclear energy suppliers and we burn our trees instead of coal and bury whatever is left under concrete to house third world immigration and stripping our food resources while telling us to eat less.

Seeing Greta & the EU commissioner Ursula von der leyen in the same photo is never a good sign! Looks like Aviation & shipping are in for higher green taxes.
transportenvironment.org/pr … carbonised

lancpudn:
Seeing Greta & the EU commissioner Ursula von der leyen in the same photo is never a good sign! Looks like Aviation & shipping are in for higher green taxes.
transportenvironment.org/pr … carbonised

We have all heard of the principle
“The polluter pays”, haven’t we?
Yet aviation seems exempt. Flying generally produces more CO2 than car, train or coach travel. Yet the fuel used is taxed much lower. How can this be justified?

Franglais:

lancpudn:
Seeing Greta & the EU commissioner Ursula von der leyen in the same photo is never a good sign! Looks like Aviation & shipping are in for higher green taxes.
transportenvironment.org/pr … carbonised

We have all heard of the principle
“The polluter pays”, haven’t we?
Yet aviation seems exempt. Flying generally produces more CO2 than car, train or coach travel. Yet the fuel used is taxed much lower. How can this be justified?

Is it because aviation is a massive stimulus to the global economy?

Where the hell does Grotty Thunderclackers get her clothes from ? I think i can guess , she goes in to skips at the rear of charity clothing shops and digs out her clothes , and what is it with the scowling face ?
it is about time this girl started dating .

AndieHyde:

Franglais:

lancpudn:
Seeing Greta & the EU commissioner Ursula von der leyen in the same photo is never a good sign! Looks like Aviation & shipping are in for higher green taxes.
transportenvironment.org/pr … carbonised

We have all heard of the principle
“The polluter pays”, haven’t we?
Yet aviation seems exempt. Flying generally produces more CO2 than car, train or coach travel. Yet the fuel used is taxed much lower. How can this be justified?

Is it because aviation is a massive stimulus to the global economy?

Maybe you could argue that about cocaine? [emoji3]
It has high demand in certain sectors, it provides direct and indirect employment. People voluntarily spend their income on it.
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It doesn’t pay enough in tax either.

toby1234abc:
Where the hell does Grotty Thunderclackers get her clothes from ? I think i can guess , she goes in to skips at the rear of charity clothing shops and digs out her clothes , and what is it with the scowling face ?
it is about time this girl started dating .

(May contain mild profanity)

I understand that certain “how to” publications - are flying off the shelves at the moment as well…

Franglais:

AndieHyde:
Is it because aviation is a massive stimulus to the global economy?

Maybe you could argue that about cocaine? [emoji3]
It has high demand in certain sectors, it provides direct and indirect employment. People voluntarily spend their income on it.
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It doesn’t pay enough in tax either.

More like it’s because whatever the Global Warmist agenda is about it has nothing to do with CO2 being a harmful gas that’s cooking the Planet.
The fact is plants love atmospheric CO2 and in return give us Oxygen.

So what do these ‘Green’ retards do.They burn trees instead of coal. :unamused:

While Cocaine and Nukes will definitely kill people and just about everything else in the case of the latter being let loose you know like in a nuclear power plant disaster.But of course we mustn’t upset EDF.

youtube.com/watch?v=GFD2ggNxR1g

Franglais:

AndieHyde:

Franglais:

lancpudn:
Seeing Greta & the EU commissioner Ursula von der leyen in the same photo is never a good sign! Looks like Aviation & shipping are in for higher green taxes.
transportenvironment.org/pr … carbonised

We have all heard of the principle
“The polluter pays”, haven’t we?
Yet aviation seems exempt. Flying generally produces more CO2 than car, train or coach travel. Yet the fuel used is taxed much lower. How can this be justified?

Is it because aviation is a massive stimulus to the global economy?

Maybe you could argue that about cocaine? [emoji3]
It has high demand in certain sectors, it provides direct and indirect employment. People voluntarily spend their income on it.
.
.
It doesn’t pay enough in tax either.

Close, but no cigar.
You were seeking justification for lowered taxation on aviation fuel.
Governments do it all the time, giving a small rebate to an industry and then indirectly taxing everything around that industry. Not quite to death you understand, it’s not the best strategy for a parasite to kill its host.

I can imagine a lot of things but how much money do you reckon goes to the treasury from Heathrow. Without fuel, non of which would be collected.

AndieHyde:
I can imagine a lot of things but how much money do you reckon goes to the treasury from Heathrow. Without fuel, non of which would be collected.

So it’s supposedly ok to cook the planet if the price is right.Or more like there’s no way of making aircraft a captive market of EDF.Good luck with that if/when aircraft are the only main user of oil and kerosene can’t be made economically viable because the road use sector is no longer paying its share of the crude oil bill in the form of petrol and diesel.In which those fractions of the distillation process before and after kerosene presumably get poured back into the ground because they obviously can’t be burn’t in this new world idiocracy. :unamused:

I reckon sheer CRAP should be taxed to the hilt…

…Every time a politician fails a fact-check on a statement entered into the public record - they get fined… :smiling_imp:

…All additives to fuel designed to decrease CO2 but increase cancer, heavy metal poisoning, disease, depression, infertility, doubt, and taxation - get banned outright, and made “constitutionally unviable”… :neutral_face:

…The Government pays for “disposal” of anything and everything. No more “Community Charge” for having a refuse collection, no more four-figure John Weir bill when you snuff it (government picks up the tab) and no more being fined for putting stuff in the wrong bins - only to have it all jumbled into the back of the dustcard together. :imp:

…If you’re paid to have an opinion, i.e. you are a recognized “influencer” (rather than “Influenza”…) - you are required to have either the opinion of the majority OR a correct opinion ONLY if you are in the minority with that opinion. Thus, no further speculative damage to life, limb, property, future, or belief - need ever happen again as a result of jokers like Greta or Occasional Cortex… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Close, but no cigar.
You were seeking justification for lowered taxation on aviation fuel.
Governments do it all the time, giving a small rebate to an industry and then indirectly taxing everything around that industry. Not quite to death you understand, it’s not the best strategy for a parasite to kill its host.

I can imagine a lot of things but how much money do you reckon goes to the treasury from Heathrow. Without fuel, non of which would be collected.
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Still waiting for freshly Googled facts to try and shoot down this, my own piece of critical thinking.

I take it you grudgingly agree?

Oil has already become obsolete, due to the discovery of something like a cold fusion power plant that is currently in the process of being patented…

Thus, the oil producing economic community (NOT what “OPEC” stands for btw) - are managing the decline. Saudi Arabia wants rid of it’s stockpiles without Russia whom everyone hates - crushing the price with their sales on the black market… China, won’t want to pay Russia for the “fixed price contract” they are in the middle of neither. Likely they will default, if they have not already done so. That China is thus buying on the open market again - pushes prices higher today, when yesterday we saw talk on the CNBCbeebies channel about “Oil falling to $3 per barrel”.

Thus “Market forces” achieve what the Greens wanted all along - but now the commitment to get rid of cars by 2030 falls flat, because petrol is going to be as cheap as chips pretty darn soon now…!

Keep your car.
Fill it up for less.
Electric? - Too expensive, too little supporting infrastructure, and electricty is still jolly expensive.
F… the Paris accord. Trump’s got the right idea. Let’s use up what stocks we have - whilst it still fetches enough of a price to make it worth having an “industry” about it.

Winseer:
Oil has already become obsolete, due to the discovery of something like a cold fusion power plant that is currently in the process of being patented…

Thus, the oil producing economic community (NOT what “OPEC” stands for btw) - are managing the decline. Saudi Arabia wants rid of it’s stockpiles without Russia whom everyone hates - crushing the price with their sales on the black market… China, won’t want to pay Russia for the “fixed price contract” they are in the middle of neither. Likely they will default, if they have not already done so. That China is thus buying on the open market again - pushes prices higher today, when yesterday we saw talk on the CNBCbeebies channel about “Oil falling to $3 per barrel”.

Thus “Market forces” achieve what the Greens wanted all along - but now the commitment to get rid of cars by 2030 falls flat, because petrol is going to be as cheap as chips pretty darn soon now…!

Keep your car.
Fill it up for less.
Electric? - Too expensive, too little supporting infrastructure, and electricty is still jolly expensive.
F… the Paris accord. Trump’s got the right idea. Let’s use up what stocks we have - whilst it still fetches enough of a price to make it worth having an “industry” about it.

Fusion is as if not more dangerous than fission with similar radioactive isotopes and radioactive waste issues.Even if it could be persuaded to give out more energy than it takes.
The price of road fuel here is all about punitive taxation not the pre tax price regardless.That’s why large falls in the price of crude aren’t reflected at the pumps.

Yes petrol/LPG fuelled engines are the way forward for road transport with around 30 kwh contained in every gallon and cleaner than diesel.

As opposed to 20p per kwh + tax for electric + battery costs and weight penalty.With the risk of nuclear disaster when these global warmist zbwits aren’t burning trees instead of coal.

What we have is a massive opportunity in the automotive sector in the large scale move away from diesel engines.Instead of which it wants to get on the pathetic electric bandwagon. :unamused:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Oil has already become obsolete, due to the discovery of something like a cold fusion power plant that is currently in the process of being patented…

Thus, the oil producing economic community (NOT what “OPEC” stands for btw) - are managing the decline. Saudi Arabia wants rid of it’s stockpiles without Russia whom everyone hates - crushing the price with their sales on the black market… China, won’t want to pay Russia for the “fixed price contract” they are in the middle of neither. Likely they will default, if they have not already done so. That China is thus buying on the open market again - pushes prices higher today, when yesterday we saw talk on the CNBCbeebies channel about “Oil falling to $3 per barrel”.

Thus “Market forces” achieve what the Greens wanted all along - but now the commitment to get rid of cars by 2030 falls flat, because petrol is going to be as cheap as chips pretty darn soon now…!

Keep your car.
Fill it up for less.
Electric? - Too expensive, too little supporting infrastructure, and electricty is still jolly expensive.
F… the Paris accord. Trump’s got the right idea. Let’s use up what stocks we have - whilst it still fetches enough of a price to make it worth having an “industry” about it.

Fusion is as if not more dangerous than fission with similar radioactive isotopes and radioactive waste issues.Even if it could be persuaded to give out more energy than it takes.
The price of road fuel here is all about punitive taxation not the pre tax price regardless.That’s why large falls in the price of crude aren’t reflected at the pumps.

Yes petrol/LPG fuelled engines are the way forward for road transport with around 30 kwh contained in every gallon and cleaner than diesel.

As opposed to 20p per kwh + tax for electric + battery costs and weight penalty.With the risk of nuclear disaster when these global warmist zbwits aren’t burning trees instead of coal.

What we have is a massive opportunity in the automotive sector in the large scale move away from diesel engines.Instead of which it wants to get on the pathetic electric bandwagon. :unamused:

What if Science has made a secret breakthrough, where a major stumbling block in the path of Clean Fusion has been overcome now?

Imagine if ■■■■ Germany for instance, had discovered in 1940 that you don’t need Heavy Water to build a fission weapon - you can actually replace the entire need for D2O with a block of GRAPHITE?

…Had the Germans found out in time, the only sign in public would be a shortage of bleistifts, and then suddenly in time for Barbarossa - Hey Presto! A truck-driven dirty bomb ready to be taken deep into enemy territory! Come 1944 - Piedmunde would ensure a “New York Ranged” delivery vehicle completed what would have been a completely different course of history…

I suggest that "What if someone has discovered how to initiate fusion without the use of dangerous isotopes, chamblers liable to explode, or chemically damage the test region?"
Take the “Danger” out of the equation, and Fusion has got to be a winner, simply because it is hardly “Yet to be discovered” - but rather “uncommercial, on account of the hazard to user”… Just like early Aircraft and still the case with Rocketry eh?

Moisture might well be the “Fuel of the Future” - rather than “Poisons” or even “Water”…

Why the need for CLEAN water?

Get past that - and the concept of using wet rubbish comes into play…

Just think: Dustmen would moan because they’re all out of work overnight, and we’d have dustbin divers chucking old TVs and electrical gear that has been thrown out aside, - to nick your sloppy bananaskins and compost at the bottom of the bin!!

Winseer:
What if Science has made a secret breakthrough, where a major stumbling block in the path of Clean Fusion has been overcome now?
The Guardian view on nuclear fusion: a moment of truth | Editorial | The Guardian

Imagine if ■■■■ Germany for instance, had discovered in 1940 that you don’t need Heavy Water to build a fission weapon - you can actually replace the entire need for D2O with a block of GRAPHITE?

…Had the Germans found out in time, the only sign in public would be a shortage of bleistifts, and then suddenly in time for Barbarossa - Hey Presto! A truck-driven dirty bomb ready to be taken deep into enemy territory! Come 1944 - Piedmunde would ensure a “New York Ranged” delivery vehicle completed what would have been a completely different course of history…

I suggest that "What if someone has discovered how to initiate fusion without the use of dangerous isotopes, chamblers liable to explode, or chemically damage the test region?"
Take the “Danger” out of the equation, and Fusion has got to be a winner, simply because it is hardly “Yet to be discovered” - but rather “uncommercial, on account of the hazard to user”… Just like early Aircraft and still the case with Rocketry eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptlhgFaB89Y
Moisture might well be the “Fuel of the Future” - rather than “Poisons” or even “Water”…

Why the need for CLEAN water?

Get past that - and the concept of using wet rubbish comes into play…

Just think: Dustmen would moan because they’re all out of work overnight, and we’d have dustbin divers chucking old TVs and electrical gear that has been thrown out aside, - to nick your sloppy bananaskins and compost at the bottom of the bin!!

There’s no such thing as ‘clean safe nuclear’ they are mutually exclusive.Which is why even the Sun can give you fatal sun burn from 93 million miles away let alone the radiation from it our magnetic field stops getting to us.
Yes we know the Grauniad is just a Global Warmist believers’ propaganda outlet who’ll say anything to get what they want.A nuclear fuelled nightmare that also burns trees instead of coal to make the numbers add up to at best 20p per kwh which we can bet will double when electric gets its captive market.
The fact is it doesn’t get any better, safer, cleaner and/or cheaper than coal, natural gas and Petrol/LPG.While leaving the trees to deal with the CO2 instead of burning them.

It is the shorter wavelengths of Solar Radiation that presents a danger to humans.
However, one can block UV and prevent sunburn with a window pane, compared to 6cm of fresh air for Alpha particles, or a sheet of metal to block Beta - the main “transmuting” radiation, especially at higher energies.

Just the thermal effect on air convection to worry about then from the sun, hence why it is still dangerous to lock a dog in a car - even when it isn’t summer.
“Greenhouse Effect” is what effectively warms the inside of a car left in direct sunlight. It isn’t even Spring yet - but the inside of our cars is already quite warm by noon in the direct sunlight…

Ionizing radiation - is a danger associated meanwhile with Fission rather than Fusion power.
Then there is the effect of “Breeding” where a normally harmless substance gets bombarded with radiation and mutates (or rather TRANSmutates) into a different, often more toxic and highly radioactive other substance, as per known decay chains…

Surely if we had pure fusion power - then our “device” might need only be no more dangerous say, than a Cathode Ray Tube, not that there are many of THOSE to be had lying about like there once were just a few short years ago…

Winseer:
It is the shorter wavelengths of Solar Radiation that presents a danger to humans.
However, one can block UV and prevent sunburn with a window pane, compared to 6cm of fresh air for Alpha particles, or a sheet of metal to block Beta - the main “transmuting” radiation, especially at higher energies.

Just the thermal effect on air convection to worry about then from the sun, hence why it is still dangerous to lock a dog in a car - even when it isn’t summer.
“Greenhouse Effect” is what effectively warms the inside of a car left in direct sunlight. It isn’t even Spring yet - but the inside of our cars is already quite warm by noon in the direct sunlight…

Ionizing radiation - is a danger associated meanwhile with Fission rather than Fusion power.
Then there is the effect of “Breeding” where a normally harmless substance gets bombarded with radiation and mutates (or rather TRANSmutates) into a different, often more toxic and highly radioactive other substance, as per known decay chains…

Surely if we had pure fusion power - then our “device” might need only be no more dangerous say, than a Cathode Ray Tube, not that there are many of THOSE to be had lying about like there once were just a few short years ago…

In the case of nuclear disaster we are talking about a breach in the reactor containment in all cases.As for the Sun it’s a bit more involved than just a bit of UV.Where do you get the idea that Fusion doesn’t also create ionising radiation such as X rays and Gamma etc.
While this shows the state of the art in Fusion tech which is at least as bad as Fission.

thebulletin.org/2017/04/fusion- … -up-to-be/

I thought you were supposedly a Global Warmist non believer.Showing your true LibDem colours again.When the fact is the present 20p per kwh, as opposed to 5p per kwh for gas, is bad enough.Let alone after electric has created a captive market.Good luck with running a domestic boiler at 25 kwh + and replacing the 33kwh contained in a gallon of petrol at that price + road fuel tax + batteries.Meanwhile the Global Warmist retards go on burning trees instead of coal to make the figures work out even at 20p per kwh.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
It is the shorter wavelengths of Solar Radiation that presents a danger to humans.
However, one can block UV and prevent sunburn with a window pane, compared to 6cm of fresh air for Alpha particles, or a sheet of metal to block Beta - the main “transmuting” radiation, especially at higher energies.

Just the thermal effect on air convection to worry about then from the sun, hence why it is still dangerous to lock a dog in a car - even when it isn’t summer.
“Greenhouse Effect” is what effectively warms the inside of a car left in direct sunlight. It isn’t even Spring yet - but the inside of our cars is already quite warm by noon in the direct sunlight…

Ionizing radiation - is a danger associated meanwhile with Fission rather than Fusion power.
Then there is the effect of “Breeding” where a normally harmless substance gets bombarded with radiation and mutates (or rather TRANSmutates) into a different, often more toxic and highly radioactive other substance, as per known decay chains…

Surely if we had pure fusion power - then our “device” might need only be no more dangerous say, than a Cathode Ray Tube, not that there are many of THOSE to be had lying about like there once were just a few short years ago…

In the case of nuclear disaster we are talking about a breach in the reactor containment in all cases.As for the Sun it’s a bit more involved than just a bit of UV. Where do you get the idea that Fusion doesn’t also create ionising radiation such as X rays and Gamma etc.
X-rays and Gamma are short-wavelength high-energy radiation. Alpha and Beta are the ionizing radiations created as a by-product of nuclear fission. It is possible to convert virtual Beta particles (As an electron “beam”) into x-rays by bouncing them off a platinum plate - but I know of no process where Gamma/X-Rays give a target an electrical charge that demonstrates their status as “Ionizing Radiation”. Thus, I would suggest to you that FIssion - that produces said ionizing radiation - will always be “dirty” compared to Fusion which only produces higher energy, CLEAN shorter-wavelengths
While this shows the state of the art in Fusion tech which is at least as bad as Fission.

thebulletin.org/2017/04/fusion- … -up-to-be/

I thought you were supposedly a Global Warmist non believer.Showing your true LibDem colours again.When the fact is the present 20p per kwh, as opposed to 5p per kwh for gas, is bad enough.Let alone after electric has created a captive market.Good luck with running a domestic boiler at 25 kwh + and replacing the 33kwh contained in a gallon of petrol at that price + road fuel tax + batteries.Meanwhile the Global Warmist retards go on burning trees instead of coal to make the figures work out even at 20p per kwh.

We need to re-create our electrcity generating capacity, rather than rely on the outgoing EU source for it. I’m would have been happier with the Chinese building our next generation facilities, whereas I am uncomfortable with this Huawei thing involving our telecommunications. I don’t really give a toss if the Chinese Government are monitoring my power usage, and I’m only mildly concerned about my TV microphone being switched on via an update I don’t need…

“If it works - then I ain’t fixing it”.

The price I pay - I cannot watch RT any more. Big deal! :laughing:

Winseer:
I know of no process where Gamma/X-Rays give a target an electrical charge that demonstrates their status as “Ionizing Radiation”. Thus, I would suggest to you that FIssion - that produces said ionizing radiation - will always be “dirty” compared to Fusion which only produces higher energy, CLEAN shorter-wavelengths

We need to re-create our electrcity generating capacity

The price I pay - I cannot watch RT any more. Big deal! :laughing:

What are you basing the idea on that Gamma or X rays aren’t both ionising radiation with the potential to damage living tissue and DNA in addition to fusion creating neutron irradiation of containment vessels and nuclear waste which is still dangerously radioactive for at least 100 years.It’s total Global Warmist bollox.Just like burning trees instead of coal.

Tell us why it’s supposedly better to pay 20p per kwh for electric than 5p per kwh for gas and similar for coal and how such a price is affordable.In addition to the fact that large scale use of fossil fuels like gas is still required to maintain even that electricity price.