The older generation, particularly those in care homes and similar, are those most at risk, always are when a flu’s about.
Didn’t stop the NHS (blessed be it’s name) shifting them out of hospitals and back to care homes ill prepared for the virus when such people were no longer a priority, that had shifted to protecting the NHS…for what exactly, what is the point of the NHS if it boots the most vulnerable in society out at their most perilous time, and yet some of you still trust the govt and it’s chosen team of advisers, some of whom have form for getting almost everything they were involved in previously bloody wrong, to have your best interests at heart.
The elderly and those with other problems should be protected properly, and the rest us stop hysterically finger pointing at anyone who doesn’t sup from the giant frosty glass of kool aid and lets get the bloody country back to work and back to normal leisure activities before the whole ponzi scheme collapses.
You won’t be quite so enamoured of this massive overreaction and power grab by a now discredited govt when the bills for all of this arrive, when furlough ends and the real redundancy notices arrive by the wagonload, you’ll be whining that the ‘rich’ haven’t been forced to pay for the mistakes (real and cunning) of the govt mismanaging just another pantomime.
By the socialist playbook as always someone else is expected to pick up the tab.
Will you be happy when we follow the lead of Victoria Australia and the police openly become the boot boys of the state, our lot showed they’re up for it charging the peaceful protest in Trafalgar Square at the weekend, a different story when they were disgracefully on bended knee or running away from other, right on, protests earlier in the season, easy targets see…ever wondered if you might be an easy target one day when it’s accepted as fine that bully boy tactics against anyone disagreeing or failing to read from todays hymn sheet is the way forward in the new utopia planned for us.
Oh it’s OK, they’re only getting stuck in to racists and right wingers, they deserve a beating and huge fine (fines introduced by decree by Johnson or his poodle) because they don’t believe.
If you’re happy with our police service becoming a political militia at the beck and call of Ministers, fine (so long as it’s people you don’t like thats being beaten eh), just don’t complain when it’s you or your loved ones are deemed enemies of the state at some future moment when a cabal of ministers under the leadership of someone blatantly unsuited to the role of PM issue decrees as laws that you object to and its your turn to be beaten down…that could be when they want to force you to cough up for their mistakes, assuming you still have a job and a roof over your head, no room in B&B’s or council (sorry my councils like govt have no money of their own own its all demanded and taken from taxpayers) funded 4* hotels, they’re full of engineers doctors and architects who arrived by inflatable and UK Border Force Water Taxis Ltd.
Remember the Countryside Alliance march.
Juddian:
When the vaccine arrives, and it will, just remember one word before you rush off enthusiastically to get your life saver.
Thalidomide.
I`ll see your Thalidomide (not a vaccine, but no matter), and raise you:
Polio, Tetanus, Smallpox, Measles, Whooping Cough, Diphtheria, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitus A, Hepatitus B.
The Thalidomide drug was a remarkable drug that helped many people and continues to do so to this day, they use it now in Cancer Treatment. In the early days it was used for multiple illness and maladie.
It only failed on pregnant women in the very early stages, between Week 2 and 4 of pregnancy, many other illnesses were cured without issues.
Its sad for the children who were affected, but there were many more who went onto a better life.
I’ve had differing personal opinions on all this stuff, from originally in March taking it hook line and sinker convinced, changing to having it down to a bit ott, to the way I am now…absolutely ■■■■ ■■■■■■ off over it all, and about constantly hearing about it.
I do not doubt it’s a genuine virus, so I’m doing what I can to avoid getting it, hand sanitizer, snood mask and all the rest of it…ie hedging my bets, but ffs man!
You would think it was a Black Death or Typhus plague the way it’s going, and until I start tripping over stiffs in the street, I’ll just carry on as I am.
Unfortunately many of the weaker people died last time,.so we’re a bit wiser this time, the vulnerable just need to be extremely careful on the second wave (not being insensitive I have relations on that list) the rest of us have to try and carry on as normal…this new ‘normal’ could last for years btw.
So if I get it,.I get it, like every other potential ailment, hope that ain’t written on my gravestone, but I certainly am not going to cancel my social life that I work for.
As for hols abroad? …I would not thank you for going on a plane and sat at a pool surrounded by ■■■■ mask wearers, so that is on hold voluntarily.
I just hope I don’t lose it with one of these typical arse hole self appointed Police types, who are now looking to be Covid wardens, and end up in the ■■■■, as I’m already on a short fuse with these ■■■■ s who have already given me the evils if I invade there social distance by all of two inches…
pierrot 14:
Well apparently in the UK the 2nd wave is coming.
I’m certainly not surprised.
(as a p.s. it’s not going to well here either)
NO safe distancing, NO masks being worn in crowded places.
Nobody gives a s£it about other people
Walked into a pub in Herne Hill last week, wearing a mask, and having to fill in the T&T register,
the girls serving behind the bar said I had to order at a distance, sit down and we’ll bring your drink
( none of them were wearing masks!)
and they would bring my drink to me, not a problem, I’ll go with that BUT
they were pulling the pints, chatting to each other with NO MASKS !!!
WTF , their spit going into my pint !
Walked out, with said barmaid demanding that I paid for my pint ■■
Dream On
Calm down shirley. Theres a simple solution to your fear. Drink in the house. Forget about whats going on outwith and enjoy. Or come hear moaning because you wemt to the boozer. All be slammed shut again soon. Look forward to your post stating you went to buy a crate at supermarket only to rub shoulders with a staff meber not wearing a mask.
pierrot 14:
Well apparently in the UK the 2nd wave is coming.
I’m certainly not surprised.
(as a p.s. it’s not going to well here either)
NO safe distancing, NO masks being worn in crowded places.
Nobody gives a s£it about other people
Walked into a pub in Herne Hill last week, wearing a mask, and having to fill in the T&T register,
the girls serving behind the bar said I had to order at a distance, sit down and we’ll bring your drink
( none of them were wearing masks!)
and they would bring my drink to me, not a problem, I’ll go with that BUT
they were pulling the pints, chatting to each other with NO MASKS !!!
WTF , their spit going into my pint !
Walked out, with said barmaid demanding that I paid for my pint ■■
Dream On
Calm down shirley. Theres a simple solution to your fear. Drink in the house. Forget about whats going on outwith and enjoy. Or come hear moaning because you wemt to the boozer. All be slammed shut again soon. Look forward to your post stating you went to buy a crate at supermarket only to rub shoulders with a staff meber not wearing a mask.
Abosolute fanny.
There you go ! The sort of reply I would expect from a complete MORON !!!
Me a shirley ? AND A FANNY !!!■■
I buy stuff in supermarkets in the UK to take home and I certainly don’t rub shoulders with anyone.
@Drink in the house@ ■■, you DH, I’m in a pub in the UK, whilst delivering to the UK !! my house is in France
cgscott, you always come out with loads of total BS !!!
people serving customers MUST wear a mask. if not, then do as I did , just walk out !
That’s the whole point mate, if you keep filling your head with anything, especially when it’s rammed down your neck every second of the day by ALL aspects of the media, you end up getting transfixed to the point of paranoia.
When I was on 6 wks furlough, I heard nothing else on the BBC and Sky news,.and I was hooked…just read some of my old posts at that time on this on here.
If you took every single thing (which is purely opinion anyway) on board, it could become a life changing obsession with some…as it has.
Way I see it you need to listen to this stuff yes, but at the same time make your own opinions and mix the two.
As I said, there ain’t bodies on the streets, people ain’t walking around like zombies coughing up their guts, as you would think they would be listening to all the ott alarmist stuff, it’s just another flu related condition,.albeit a bit more troublesome than the last few we have had over the years…so that is how I deal with it, hoping I don’t get it, but refusing to let it run (and ruin) my life and life style.
Win-Stone:
Is it time for people to begin looking at Covid with their eyes open?
Fact: In the year 2009/10, more people died of the Flu than have thus far been killed by Covid.
Fact: The Governments’ own figures give an average mortality age of OVER 80 YEARS OLD!
Fact: Number of people who have died, where Covid has been mentioned on the death certificate is approximately 0.07%
Yes. Not 7%, not 70% but fractions of 1%!
Fact: Of the people who have died where Covid 19 has been mentioned on the death certificate, approximately 50% lived in Care homes
Do the maths. That means that, in the general population, the number of deaths is approximately 0.037%!
Fractions of one percent yet the Media, and The Government (!) go on as if there are bodies piling up on street corners, yet the number of people who have died is less than a quarter of the number of people who would be in Wembley for something like an FA Cup final!
Can we PLEASE start getting some flipping context and a bit of common sense applied!
Where do you get these facts from?
According to WHO and John Hopkins Medicines
Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths
COVID-19: There have been approximately 961,273 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 199,513, people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and September 21, 2020.*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
I would rather listen and read their news than Karen on Facebook
Last time I looked the total C19 deaths in the UK were about 48,000. A randomized survey looking for antibodies showed about 8% of UK population has had C19.
If we just let it take off again 500,000-ish will die prematurely, either coughing and choking or intubated in a hospital.
Ma.y more will get the virus, but may not die. Given expensive hospital treatment, taking funds and facilities away from cancer or other patients, most of us would survive. Having damaged lungs for months or years we wouldn’t be working but we wouldn’t be on the death toll either. Others will be off work for week or two. Others again won’t suffer st all.
Ignoring precautions as we wait for (hopefully) a vaccine, won’t mean an easy saving of the economy. It isn’t that simple.
It isn’t a few oldies dying peacefully in their beds a few weeks before their time.
people serving customers MUST wear a mask. if not, then do as I did , just walk out !
That’s the whole point mate, if you keep filling your head with anything, especially when it’s rammed down your neck every second of the day by ALL aspects of the media, you end up getting transfixed to the point of paranoia.
When I was on 6 wks furlough, I heard nothing else on the BBC and Sky news,.and I was hooked…just read some of my old posts at that time on this on here.
If you took every single thing (which is purely opinion anyway) on board, it could become a life changing obsession with some…as it has.
Way I see it you need to listen to this stuff yes, but at the same time make your own opinions and mix the two.
As I said, there ain’t bodies on the streets, people ain’t walking around like zombies coughing up their guts, as you would think they would be listening to all the ott alarmist stuff, it’s just another flu related condition,.albeit a bit more troublesome than the last few we have had over the years…so that is how I deal with it, hoping I don’t get it, but refusing to let it run (and ruin) my life and life style.
I get what your saying Rob but, if I understand Poirrots point correctly, shouldn’t retail staff provide the same protective measures to their customers as the customers are required to put in place to those staff? Every cashier I’ve used since April has a screen between them & the customer.
It seems to me that the positive outlook attitude to policy doesn’t really work with a virus that doesn’t give a ■■■■.
The discussions on a vaccine tend to err on the shorter rather than longer term timescale for no reason other than wanting it to happen.
The end of quarantine was welcomed because people want to think this is over because the death rate has gone down.
The optimism is good, but reality bites. Why in all reason would it go away when millions of people haven’t yet had it? Hence why is a second wave a surprise? It certainly isn’t to me.
Bar staff do not have to wear a mask, chefs do not have to wear a mask, customers do not have to wear a mask whilst eating or drinking, nigh impossible anyway, If you go into a pub it is your responsibility to maintain your distance, order your drink from a distance and take a seat, either give them a table number or let them seat you first.
The finest solution I have seen is that you walk in, fill the T&T slip in, write your order on the back with your chosen table number, the T&T then becomes your drinks order, your tab and what time you settle up and leave, the T&T information is then saved for 21 days.
Or you can simply scan the T&T code in Wetherspoons, order your drink from the app and not leave the table until you need the toilet.
I would rather see a smiling face on my landladies face or her staff than a mask they have sweated in for 12 hours
people serving customers MUST wear a mask. if not, then do as I did , just walk out !
That’s the whole point mate, if you keep filling your head with anything, especially when it’s rammed down your neck every second of the day by ALL aspects of the media, you end up getting transfixed to the point of paranoia.
When I was on 6 wks furlough, I heard nothing else on the BBC and Sky news,.and I was hooked…just read some of my old posts at that time on this on here.
If you took every single thing (which is purely opinion anyway) on board, it could become a life changing obsession with some…as it has.
Way I see it you need to listen to this stuff yes, but at the same time make your own opinions and mix the two.
As I said, there ain’t bodies on the streets, people ain’t walking around like zombies coughing up their guts, as you would think they would be listening to all the ott alarmist stuff, it’s just another flu related condition,.albeit a bit more troublesome than the last few we have had over the years…so that is how I deal with it, hoping I don’t get it, but refusing to let it run (and ruin) my life and life style.
I get what your saying Rob but, if I understand Poirrots point correctly, shouldn’t retail staff provide the same protective measures to their customers as the customers are required to put in place to those staff? Every cashier I’ve used since April has a screen between them & the customer.
Ok, yeh I suppose so, even if in reality masks offer little mutual protection, if it makes the more vulnerable amongst us feel safer, that’s fine with me, although I don’t really like walking around with a face covering if I’m honest.
I don’t think it would make me walk from a pub or a restaurant if the barmaid wasn’t wearing one though,.as I said I think the mask wearing measures are more psychological than actually doing anything, …and especially if she was pleasing on the eye.
Just been on tv, (Nick Ferrari on This Morning) that the Police can not cope with the inundation of calls on the latest '‘Grass up your neighbours’ covid line they set up. …don’t you just love some of the absolute Roger HUNTS in this ■■■■ country eh?.and there seems to be more and more of them in every walk of life, not least in our industry.
