Hkloss You just can’t help yourself, it is not all about trade I take you are happy with the EU giving 6 billion Euros to a dictator just to keep a few refugees out of Europe who keeps on holding his hand out for more money under the threat of releasing more refugees into Europe. Bear in mind that the European covid fund has still not been distributed due to political infighting European business’ struggling yet no bother dishing money out to dictators. What are your views on Germany’s unilateral trade deal with Russia to supply gas to German business and depriving a fellow EU member of revenue and making the energy supply to Poland and the Ukraine more precarious? Again bear in mind EU members are not supposed to unilateral trade deals. Perhaps you also have a view on the Chinese trade deal that was rushed through before Biden became president despite the Chinese treatment of the Uighars, but hey lets not human rights getting in the way of German trade after all VW have given an assurance that as far as they know no people from the education (concentration) camps are being employed in their factory, after all VW are well known for telling the truth.
For many of us who voted for Brexit it is about where the EU is going rather than where it was in 2016.
Pointing out things that are wrong with Brexit are not insults however calling people morons, Brexitards or comparing them to the Taliban is, read what you write and while you’re at it get a 10 year old to proof read your posts my 11 year old daughter has a better grasp of the English language than you, do you not see the irony in calling everyone who disagrees with you thick when your rants barely make sense.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
hkloss1:
While brexitards keep waffling, we just keep highlighting, how brexitards have dammaged and keep dammaging the countryPermanent Brexit Problems Highlighted by Engineering Firm
It is being increasingly reported that small businesses are facing especially harsh impacts to their business from brexit. Ken Torres, an engineer, explains how his business is being put at risk through no fault of his own due to Borisn Johnson’s extreme tory brexit.
youtube.com/watch?v=_Kl2uV9xAtg
How to Judge Brexit a Success or Failure?
Like any project, brexit should have success and failure criteria. We’ve left the EU now, but the next general election will give us a chance to change our course again, hopefully away from Boris Johnson’s extreme tory brexit. But what are the failure standards for brexit? How should we judged whether or not the path we’ve taken is a success or failure in terms that everyone can agree on?
And while people who voted remain continue to hurl insults then don’t surprised if people don’t take you seriously, the dust needs to settle and then see where we are, UK manufacturing order books are at a high level due to firms now ordering from other UK firms.
As to the next general election if the Tories change leader before it then the chances of them winning again are high Labour has a long way to go before it becomes the party of government. Labour have now made themselves a niche party for the London based graduate you have to appeal to a broad spectrum of the electorate to win an election, on the plus side Starmer has said Brexit is here to stay so a huge resurgence in the Lib Dems will be required for there to be any chance of a main party backing rejoinAny figures on increased domestic orders replacing lost EU orders?
And, “let the dust settle”?
Johnson signed an agreement in Dec 2020.
That hasn’t yet been signed by the EU, and talks are continuing on some aspects, but Johnson has already unilaterally decided not to honour said agreement.
The dust won’t be settling for a long while yet! [emoji3]
Both City AM and the Times have reported that orders are up with some of it being due to firms looking to replace European supplies with those made in the UK.
Both sides have not kept to the as yet unsigned deal so hardly a one way street in keeping to what has been agreed, by let the dust settle I meant lets see what happens when covid is not playing a major role in restricting trade and how European firms react when the UK introduces the same checks on their exports as UK firms are subject to. French wine producers have said the full checks will add about a £1 to a bottle of wine the UK, while wine from outside the EU will remain at its current price thereby having the edge and outside of wine snobs to the average Joe price is factor as to what they drink.
Well said Mazzer but I fear you’re wasting your time here. ■■■■■■■■ remainers will continue looking for negative snippets about brexit regardless, constantly trying to find ways of saying ‘I told you so’.
They also seem to flatly refuse to understand that there’s two sides to the story, which means that all they’ve got is a biased opinion…nothing else.
I gave up replying to these brexit posts a while ago now (obviously had a relapse) as I felt like it was a waste of time, I was more than happy to see the remain side (and still do) but most of them didn’t even want to acknowledge that there might, just might, be a level headed opposing view. Which is a shame really as I feel like everything is going more to the extremes, you can drive a fleet of trucks through the centre ground of politics nowadays and not hit a single person!
I’ve got a few spare minutes/hours while I wait for my clearance… again…
@Mazzer
I can’t see much about this but will readily accept that some companies are picking up domestic UK work. That’s good for them of course. Every cloud no matter how dark will have some silver inside it surely.
Why weren’t they given this work before I do wonder though? Is that actually a Brexit effect or just a change?
Let’s try to remember why there is trade. Specialisation results in efficiencies. One or two big factories producing widgets for dozens of thingumajig manufacturers is more efficient than each thingy maker making their own widget.
Putting a widget maker behind a barrier like we are doing is increasing costs in redtape, (when did anyone last mention the £350 million lie?) And increases in supply line times (Here I am again, booking to tip stuffed)
Where does trading isolationism work?
Anywhere?
Who (apart from us) is introducing trade barriers?
Who is introducing trade barriers with their Biggest Suppliers and Customers?
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Your example of EU wine costs increasing proves what?
The UK wine drinker will be paying more for the same product.
Or may choose an Aus/Californian/? or other product costing the same?
So the EU maker loses and the 3rd country maker wins.
The UK wine drinker certainly loses by paying more, or having (For the same price) a reduced choice.
Where is any advantage to us there?
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You say it more than just trade and money?
Is Liz Truss refusing to talk to the Chinese because of the Uighur? Is the UK taking a moral stand where the EU isn’t?
Who will China listen to the most? A single country or a big trading block?
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And what are you saying about dictators releasing refugees?
Erdoğan?
Is Turkey a prison warder? Should this country housing 4 million refugees keep them there, at the borders of Europe at entirely their own expense? Or should they cut their costs by reducing border patrols, cut food, health and medical help to these human beings? I wonder what effect that would have? (Apart from the suffering to human beings of course)
Franglais:
I’ve got a few spare minutes/hours while I wait for my clearance… again…@Mazzer
I can’t see much about this but will readily accept that some companies are picking up domestic UK work. That’s good for them of course. Every cloud no matter how dark will have some silver inside it surely.
Why weren’t they given this work before I do wonder though? Is that actually a Brexit effect or just a change?Let’s try to remember why there is trade. Specialisation results in efficiencies. One or two big factories producing widgets for dozens of thingumajig manufacturers is more efficient than each thingy maker making their own widget.
Putting a widget maker behind a barrier like we are doing is increasing costs in redtape, (when did anyone last mention the £350 million lie?) And increases in supply line times (Here I am again, booking to tip stuffed)
Where does trading isolationism work?
Anywhere?
Who (apart from us) is introducing trade barriers?
Who is introducing trade barriers with their Biggest Suppliers and Customers?
.
Your example of EU wine costs increasing proves what?
The UK wine drinker will be paying more for the same product.
Or may choose an Aus/Californian/? or other product costing the same?
So the EU maker loses and the 3rd country maker wins.
The UK wine drinker certainly loses by paying more, or having (For the same price) a reduced choice.
Where is any advantage to us there?
.You say it more than just trade and money?
Is Liz Truss refusing to talk to the Chinese because of the Uighur? Is the UK taking a moral stand where the EU isn’t?
Who will China listen to the most? A single country or a big trading block?
.
And what are you saying about dictators releasing refugees?
Erdoğan?
Is Turkey a prison warder? Should this country housing 4 million refugees keep them there, at the borders of Europe at entirely their own expense? Or should they cut their costs by reducing border patrols, cut food, health and medical help to these human beings? I wonder what effect that would have? (Apart from the suffering to human beings of course)
I used wine as an example because the UK is France’s 3rd biggest wine market and so extra cost could make people switch their choice which will affect the French economy my point being that at present EU firms are not being affected in the same way that UK firms and when they are perhaps they will lobby their own governments which could see changes for the better. The barriers to trade are going to be a two way street so will affect both sides when fully implemented.
With regards to trade with China, China will do it’s own thing regardless of what the rest of the world thinks but if you have invested heavily in China as some companies have then do you want your government upsetting the boat? Take a look at China’s reaction to Australia when the Australian government spoke out.
The situation in Turkey has come about because through no fault of the refugees but is being exploited by the Turkish government as a lever over the EU to gain funds. Some of those refugees could now return to parts of Syria and Iraq now that the ISIS caliphate has gone, except there is no peace there because of Erdogen’s campaign against the Kurds and the fact that he is leaning more to the Russian’s meaning that for the foreseeable future there will be no peace in Syria. Note the absence of any attempt by the EU to broker peace in the region something that could reduce the refugee numbers, another case of happy to sit on the sidelines rather than look for a solution.
My post was more aimed at Hkloss who seems to think that debate is about copying and pasting a series of U-tube videos that he agrees with, then insulting anyone who disagrees with him, if me and Msyorkie are now an item for agreeing then I hope you’re having a fun time in your ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ between Whisperingsmith, Hkloss and yourself but please no photographic proof I’m sure there is a market out there for three ‘aul fellas’ getting it on but Trucknet is probably not the place 
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
I’ve got a few spare minutes/hours while I wait for my clearance… again…@Mazzer
I can’t see much about this but will readily accept that some companies are picking up domestic UK work. That’s good for them of course. Every cloud no matter how dark will have some silver inside it surely.
Why weren’t they given this work before I do wonder though? Is that actually a Brexit effect or just a change?Let’s try to remember why there is trade. Specialisation results in efficiencies. One or two big factories producing widgets for dozens of thingumajig manufacturers is more efficient than each thingy maker making their own widget.
Putting a widget maker behind a barrier like we are doing is increasing costs in redtape, (when did anyone last mention the £350 million lie?) And increases in supply line times (Here I am again, booking to tip stuffed)
Where does trading isolationism work?
Anywhere?
Who (apart from us) is introducing trade barriers?
Who is introducing trade barriers with their Biggest Suppliers and Customers?
.
Your example of EU wine costs increasing proves what?
The UK wine drinker will be paying more for the same product.
Or may choose an Aus/Californian/? or other product costing the same?
So the EU maker loses and the 3rd country maker wins.
The UK wine drinker certainly loses by paying more, or having (For the same price) a reduced choice.
Where is any advantage to us there?
.You say it more than just trade and money?
Is Liz Truss refusing to talk to the Chinese because of the Uighur? Is the UK taking a moral stand where the EU isn’t?
Who will China listen to the most? A single country or a big trading block?
.
And what are you saying about dictators releasing refugees?
Erdoğan?
Is Turkey a prison warder? Should this country housing 4 million refugees keep them there, at the borders of Europe at entirely their own expense? Or should they cut their costs by reducing border patrols, cut food, health and medical help to these human beings? I wonder what effect that would have? (Apart from the suffering to human beings of course)I used wine as an example because the UK is France’s 3rd biggest wine market and so extra cost could make people switch their choice which will affect the French economy my point being that at present EU firms are not being affected in the same way that UK firms and when they are perhaps they will lobby their own governments which could see changes for the better. The barriers to trade are going to be a two way street so will affect both sides when fully implemented.
With regards to trade with China, China will do it’s own thing regardless of what the rest of the world thinks but if you have invested heavily in China as some companies have then do you want your government upsetting the boat? Take a look at China’s reaction to Australia when the Australian government spoke out.
The situation in Turkey has come about because through no fault of the refugees but is being exploited by the Turkish government as a lever over the EU to gain funds. Some of those refugees could now return to parts of Syria and Iraq now that the ISIS caliphate has gone, except there is no peace there because of Erdogen’s campaign against the Kurds and the fact that he is leaning more to the Russian’s meaning that for the foreseeable future there will be no peace in Syria. Note the absence of any attempt by the EU to broker peace in the region something that could reduce the refugee numbers, another case of happy to sit on the sidelines rather than look for a solution.
My post was more aimed at Hkloss who seems to think that debate is about copying and pasting a series of U-tube videos that he agrees with, then insulting anyone who disagrees with him, if me and Msyorkie are now an item for agreeing then I hope you’re having a fun time in your ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ between Whisperingsmith, Hkloss and yourself but please no photographic proof I’m sure there is a market out there for three ‘aul fellas’ getting it on but Trucknet is probably not the place
“Three aul fellas”? Nah we are all twenty something nubile females.
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This IS the internet. [emoji3].
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Will French wine makers be unhappy about lost trade? I’m sure they will.
I don’t remember any French or other EU countries or officials being in a favour of the UK leaving at any time? So what change there?
Or do you think it is OK for any country to “threaten” to leave the EU or any other group and so gain advantage all the time, vis Cameron’s tour of the EU. Should they have conceded more? Should they conceded to any/all of their members?
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You now think the EU should be taking a hand in brokering peace in the Middle East? Not just remain a trading block?
Isn’t that a change of stance for you?
A realistic one, I think. Trade is a soft weapon, and the EU should use it wisely. It could have done that better with us as members.
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Why is Turkey looking more to Russia I wonder?
After 26 years of trying to join the EU maybe it is changing tack?
I don’t think that it is necessarily ready to join, but this is not a perfect world. Keep snubbing them and they will go elsewhere.
Rėal politic.
GORDON 50:
Well said Mazzer but I fear you’re wasting your time here. ■■■■■■■■ remainers will continue looking for negative snippets about brexit regardless, constantly trying to find ways of saying ‘I told you so’.
They also seem to flatly refuse to understand that there’s two sides to the story, which means that all they’ve got is a biased opinion…nothing else.
I gave up replying to these brexit posts a while ago now (obviously had a relapse) as I felt like it was a waste of time, I was more than happy to see the remain side (and still do) but most of them didn’t even want to acknowledge that there might, just might, be a level headed opposing view. Which is a shame really as I feel like everything is going more to the extremes, you can drive a fleet of trucks through the centre ground of politics nowadays and not hit a single person!
Feel free to contribute to the discussion with your examples of Brexit benefits for the UK.
If you are three young females then I’m sure a quiet word with one of the mods and perhaps the odd photo may be allowed to slip past the censors
I have no problem with any group getting involved with brokering peace and in the Middle East the fact that both the USA and the Russians are tainted there then perhaps a new player getting in might go someway to getting people around the table, the EU cannot bury it’s head in the sand as to what is happening on it’s periphery and think it will not affect them. The Balkans conflict being a classic case that set the tone for how Europe would react to conflict on it’s borders, something that people like Putin would have noted and has since used to his advantage
Would they act any different if we were still in personally I doubt it, objections to Nord Stream by EU members is being roundly ignored by Germany even Macron is having no effect here and the UK has the same objections to it as him
Thank God our worries over the effects of Brexit on Northern Ireland were the same as our worries over the effect of Brexit on Mainland Britain:-
‘Project Fear’ not ‘Project Reality’ 
whisperingsmith:
Thank God our worries over the effects of Brexit on Northern Ireland were the same as our worries over the effect of Brexit on Mainland Britain:-‘Project Fear’ not ‘Project Reality’
A view from over the other side of the Atlantic. Globe and Mail, Toronto today.
theglobeandmail.com/world/a … -years-as/
And Joe Biden has made his views on the Good Friday Agreement quite clear
independent.co.uk/news/worl … 28821.html
Any fantasies Johnson may still have about some fantastic new trade deal with the US are also dependent on this barking-mad Schrodinger dead/alive NI border.
The flare up of trouble in N.I. is complex and not a simple case of the Protocol, the main reason is the perceived lack of action over the Storey funeral where the DUP wrongly stoked up animosity towards the PSNI. The PSNI do not decide who is prosecuted, they gather the evidence present it to the PPS who decide on what action to take, the PSNI put forward 24 names of people they wished to see charged the PPS declined to charge, hardly the fault of the police. Secondly the Loyalist Paramilitaries are coming under increasing pressure from police action against their illegal activities mainly drug distribution and racketeering and now need to show their communities that they have a purpose and so are able to use the protocol as an excuse to say that their ‘Britishness’ is under threat.
During the Brexit negotiations all the emphasis was on what Republican paramilitaries would do if the agreement didn’t suit them, no one from any side bothered to take a look and see what would happen if the Loyalist paramilitaries didn’t like the outcome, as is the case in N.I. appease or been seen to appease one side over the other and trouble will flare up.
Saw this, which sums things up in just a few words:
It’s strange that many Brexiteers say that the Brexit we’ve got isn’t the one they voted for.
YET conversely, the Brexit we’ve got is exactly what Remainers voted against.
whisperingsmith:
Saw this, which sums things up in just a few words:It’s strange that many Brexiteers say that the Brexit we’ve got isn’t the one they voted for.
YET conversely, the Brexit we’ve got is exactly what Remainers voted against.
Putting that wih the NI situation, it seems that Johnson has achieved a well balanced outcome:
Neither Republicans nor Loyalists seem to like the NI Protocol.
Neither Brexiteers nor Remainers are happy with what we have.
He has done well… A truly united country.
We are all equally ■■■■■■ off !
A View From The USA - CNN News
100 days later, Brexit isn’t working and business wants it fixed
it’s been 100 days since the United Kingdom split from its single biggest trading partner and Brexit is proving to be disastrous for many British exporters, which have rejected Johnson’s description of the issues as “teething problems” and are now asking the government to take urgent action to prevent further losses.
“We are calling on both the UK and EU to get back around the table and produce solutions that reduce trade barriers and give exporters a fighting chance,” British Chambers of Commerce co-executive director Hannah Essex said in a statement on Monday.
“The difficulties exporters are facing are not just ‘teething problems.’ They are structural issues that, if they continue to go unaddressed, could lead to long term, potentially irreversible weakness in the UK export sector,” she added.
The new trading relationship is expected to lead to a long-run loss of output in Britain of around 4% compared to remaining in the European Union, according to the UK Office for Budget Responsibility, which produces economic forecasts for the government. Exports and imports will be around 15% lower in the long run.
According to Jerzewska, the trade expert, the main consequence will be the gradual shift of supply chains as EU producers find alternative suppliers. “Businesses follow the path of least resistance and the new barriers to trade can make the UK suppliers less competitive on the EU market,” she said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/business/brexit-trade-100-days/index.html
What is he on about now?
Removing barnacles and sandpaperibg the NI Protocol? This brilliant oven ready deal isn’t exactly working out as he hoped? (I won’t say planned)
theguardian.com/uk-news/202 … and-checks
This will make the continuing talks with the EU even sticker won’t it?
Franglais:
What is he on about now?
Removing barnacles and sandpaperibg the NI Protocol? This brilliant oven ready deal isn’t exactly working out as he hoped? (I won’t say planned)
theguardian.com/uk-news/202 … and-checks
This will make the continuing talks with the EU even sticker won’t it?
In the same way I try not to quote the Daily Mail I also dont take a lot of notice of the Guardian.
msgyorkie:
Franglais:
What is he on about now?
Removing barnacles and sandpaperibg the NI Protocol? This brilliant oven ready deal isn’t exactly working out as he hoped? (I won’t say planned)
theguardian.com/uk-news/202 … and-checks
This will make the continuing talks with the EU even sticker won’t it?In the same way I try not to quote the Daily Mail I also dont take a lot of notice of the Guardian.
In this case it is Johnson himself speaking.
The Guardian may be reporting it, but it doesn’t seem to be making it up.
yourhavingalarf:
I see Kent…Is open again so to speak.
From that report… “The government today said that trade volumes between the UK and EU had returned to normal levels, with a statement saying there was a 46 per cent increase in exports to the bloc after a large decline in January.”
So when are the doom mongerers going to stop trawling the web for bad news and start reporting on the positives for a balance??
Well, speaking as one who drives DSV ferry trailers from/to UK & Irl it seems as we’re as busy as ever. There are issues with MRN no’s sometimes, haven’t yet worked out who’s at fault here, the sender of the goods, DSV or the shipper, DFDS maybe but the volume of trade seems same as normal. Roll on Danexit and Swexit I say! Oops!