Another London attack

I’d love for someone to put this question to an MP and these debate things seen on sky news…

Why is it that if you are convicted of football hooliganism then when there are major football tournaments abroad you can be requested to surrender your passport to the police for the duration of the tournament,yet this government willingly allow’s these suspected terrorists to travel between the U.K. and countries known for training terrorists freeely as according to the government it would be against their human rights to stop them??

I’m all for letting them travel to wherever they want to that’s fine,BUT once they leave the U.K cancel their passport and refuse them re entry back to the U.K

xichrisxi:
I’d love for someone to put this question to an MP and these debate things seen on sky news…

Why is it that if you are convicted of football hooliganism then when there are major football tournaments abroad you can be requested to surrender your passport to the police for the duration of the tournament,yet this government willingly allow’s these suspected terrorists to travel between the U.K. and countries known for training terrorists freeely as according to the government it would be against their human rights to stop them??

I’m all for letting them travel to wherever they want to that’s fine,BUT once they leave the U.K cancel their passport and refuse them re entry back to the U.K

The Manchester bomber was given free access to Libya and back by the tories to benefit their agenda. He was then radicalised and was known by Cameron government whilst TM was home secretary btw for 5 years prior to Manchester atrocity. His own family and friends had reported him to the authorities on many occasions. The gov don’t t care, all that matters is profit from arms trade and cuts to our services. They need to go, they are the threat to national security because they feed that threat in the first instance.

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RIP to all fallen innocent people.
Fvcking coward, attacking and killing girls and civilians.
I wish UK and Europe in general acts strongly and swiftly, stop with the liberal BS regarding terrorism.
Im listening BBC - police and MI5 investigate 500 plots for attacks :open_mouth:, how to fight it journalist asked, the answer- more community work, more tolerance, more police work, FU, deport the mothef***ers back to Lybia, Syria etc. if they are British citizens, strip them from citizenship and deport them to parent home country.
Its 717-718AD all over again with different means.

Platitudes meaningless soundbites is what our leaders will respond with after Cobra has finished off the tea and biscuits thismorning, oh and probably re-arrest Tommy Robinson and recruit hundreds more spies to screen out and detain anyone who voices objection on social media to those who kill and maim indiscriminately, whilst the looney left will bury its collective empty head in the sand Ostrich style and blame President Trump quitting the Paris climate scam.

Candlelit vigils holding hands and singing kumbaya will be the sum answer protest from our brainwashed proletariat, that’ll see terrorist scum quaking in their sandals.

I wonder why you don’t hear of things like this in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, why would that be i wonder…answers on a postcard to number 10 Downing Street, they seem to be struggling to work out why.

Juddian:
Platitudes meaningless soundbites is what our leaders will respond with after Cobra has finished off the tea and biscuits thismorning, oh and probably re-arrest Tommy Robinson and recruit hundreds more spies to screen out and detain anyone who voices objection on social media to those who kill and maim indiscriminately, whilst the looney left will bury its collective empty head in the sand Ostrich style and blame President Trump quitting the Paris climate scam.

Candlelit vigils holding hands and singing kumbaya will be the sum answer protest from our brainwashed proletariat, that’ll see terrorist scum quaking in their sandals.

I wonder why you don’t hear of things like this in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, why would that be i wonder…answers on a postcard to number 10 Downing Street, they seem to be struggling to work out why.

Its not politically correct :unamused:
I think UK, like Germany carry into its mindset as a county some form of guilt from the colonial past and enslaving countries around the world, muslim countries. This has to stop, its 21 century.

Dolph:

Juddian:
Platitudes meaningless soundbites is what our leaders will respond with after Cobra has finished off the tea and biscuits thismorning, oh and probably re-arrest Tommy Robinson and recruit hundreds more spies to screen out and detain anyone who voices objection on social media to those who kill and maim indiscriminately, whilst the looney left will bury its collective empty head in the sand Ostrich style and blame President Trump quitting the Paris climate scam.

Candlelit vigils holding hands and singing kumbaya will be the sum answer protest from our brainwashed proletariat, that’ll see terrorist scum quaking in their sandals.

I wonder why you don’t hear of things like this in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, why would that be i wonder…answers on a postcard to number 10 Downing Street, they seem to be struggling to work out why.

Its not politically correct :unamused:
I think UK, like Germany carry into its mindset as a county some form of guilt from the colonial past and enslaving countries around the world, muslim countries. This has to stop, its 21 century.

But Farage believes cannabis causes terrorism

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Winseer:
What’s done is done. It’s time to correct past mistakes - and not now compound them.

Corbyn is as short as 5-1 to be PM in a week’s time. Time appears to be working in Labour’s favour too, so don’t be surprised if there are calls to postpone the election by a week or two…

That’s a scary thought that there are that many people in this country rallying to Labour with their “Tolerance” of Terrorism. “Friends” of the IRA, “Recognition” of Sinn Fein, and “Cromwellian” attitude towards our Monarchy.

I don’t recall a active Labour politician being a serving IRA terrorist also you forget to mention Maggie Mays time as Home Secretary when she chopped the police and Armed service numbers by the tens of thousands

Laup:

Dolph:

Juddian:
Platitudes meaningless soundbites is what our leaders will respond with after Cobra has finished off the tea and biscuits thismorning, oh and probably re-arrest Tommy Robinson and recruit hundreds more spies to screen out and detain anyone who voices objection on social media to those who kill and maim indiscriminately, whilst the looney left will bury its collective empty head in the sand Ostrich style and blame President Trump quitting the Paris climate scam.

Candlelit vigils holding hands and singing kumbaya will be the sum answer protest from our brainwashed proletariat, that’ll see terrorist scum quaking in their sandals.

I wonder why you don’t hear of things like this in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, why would that be i wonder…answers on a postcard to number 10 Downing Street, they seem to be struggling to work out why.

Its not politically correct :unamused:
I think UK, like Germany carry into its mindset as a county some form of guilt from the colonial past and enslaving countries around the world, muslim countries. This has to stop, its 21 century.

But Farage believes cannabis causes terrorism

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Well Farage believed 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will move to UK, he is loony and hypocrite. Talking against EU and working in EU for 17 years getting fat pay check and soon pension…

Dolph:

Laup:

Dolph:

Juddian:
Platitudes meaningless soundbites is what our leaders will respond with after Cobra has finished off the tea and biscuits thismorning, oh and probably re-arrest Tommy Robinson and recruit hundreds more spies to screen out and detain anyone who voices objection on social media to those who kill and maim indiscriminately, whilst the looney left will bury its collective empty head in the sand Ostrich style and blame President Trump quitting the Paris climate scam.

Candlelit vigils holding hands and singing kumbaya will be the sum answer protest from our brainwashed proletariat, that’ll see terrorist scum quaking in their sandals.

I wonder why you don’t hear of things like this in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, why would that be i wonder…answers on a postcard to number 10 Downing Street, they seem to be struggling to work out why.

Its not politically correct :unamused:
I think UK, like Germany carry into its mindset as a county some form of guilt from the colonial past and enslaving countries around the world, muslim countries. This has to stop, its 21 century.

But Farage believes cannabis causes terrorism

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Well Farage believed 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will move to UK, he is loony and hypocrite. Talking against EU and working in EU for 17 years getting fat pay check and soon pension…

He’s a ■■■■. End of that discussion lol

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I agree that cannabis and other drugs can cause serious mental changes in some people, ironically i would suggest derangement is more likely in those who need such props, those who wouldn’t be affected by the kak are probably those don’t need and who wouldn’t be stupid enough to allow such foul chemicals into their bodies in the first place.

I suspect the useful idiots who carry out atrocities for their professional indoctrinators are given drugs in order to make them more pliable/imbalanced in order to be used in suicidal missions.
Too many times the perpetrators of these attacks have turned out to be petty criminals and drug addicts, utterly pointless as members of a civilised society so maybe easier to brainwash for those behind these events.
Lee Rigby’s killers were drug users and possibly dealers, being just one example among many.

Juddian:
I agree that cannabis and other drugs can cause serious mental changes in some people, ironically i would suggest derangement is more likely in those who need such props, those who wouldn’t be affected by the kak are probably those don’t need and who wouldn’t be stupid enough to allow such foul chemicals into their bodies in the first place.

More chance of serious brain malfunction from reading and listening to main stream media

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Laup:

Juddian:
I agree that cannabis and other drugs can cause serious mental changes in some people, ironically i would suggest derangement is more likely in those who need such props, those who wouldn’t be affected by the kak are probably those don’t need and who wouldn’t be stupid enough to allow such foul chemicals into their bodies in the first place.

More chance of serious brain malfunction from reading and listening to main stream media

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Can’t argue with that, luckily i don’t, haven’t bought a paper for well over 30 years, don’t listen to or watch mainstream news or other such programs from any of the state broadcasters.

Juddian:

Laup:

Juddian:
I agree that cannabis and other drugs can cause serious mental changes in some people, ironically i would suggest derangement is more likely in those who need such props, those who wouldn’t be affected by the kak are probably those don’t need and who wouldn’t be stupid enough to allow such foul chemicals into their bodies in the first place.

More chance of serious brain malfunction from reading and listening to main stream media

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Can’t argue with that, luckily i don’t, haven’t bought a paper for well over 30 years, don’t listen to or watch mainstream news or other such programs from any of the state broadcasters.

Same [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]

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I cant see how this can be blamed on a lack of police numbers, it was all done and dusted within 10 minutes, the police deserve thanks with a well done slap on the back.

Wheel Nut:
I cant see how this can be blamed on a lack of police numbers, it was all done and dusted within 10 minutes, the police deserve thanks with a well done slap on the back.

Yea strange that. 8 minutes from phone call to deployment and 3 dead. Press were quick off the mark too. I phoned for ambulance a while back because son was finding it hard to breath. Was told to get a taxi to A&E because no ambulance for 3 hours!

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Using Cannabis isn’t a form of metal illness any more than Islam as a “Religion” is.

The lines of argument:

(1) Murder is wrong in all nations on the planet.
(2) TO murder someone, you tell yourself there are “Exceptions to the rule”.
(3) You warp your own philosophy to suit
(4) You allow your supporters to carry out the attack
(5) When you are accused of doing/allowing thus, you argue “I’ve got a big 250,000 mandate”. (250,000 out of a population of over 70m is NOT a “big mandate”!)
(6) If you lose votes, you accuse those who voted against you of being Racist/Homophobe/Xenophobe/Nationalist but never “Labourist” or “Criminalist”.
(7) If anyone gets even close to impeaching you, you argue “I was mentally ill at the time” or “I’ve undergone a religious conversion, and have since absolved myself”.
(8) if anyone does get busted for carrying out attacks to your orders, you make it so it is the footsoldiers that get busted - never the politicians.

All this is bankrolled by the banksters who permit or deny the very nation’s ability to go to war or not. Notice how there is never enough money for public services, but always enough to break a few heads in a country that’s done nothing wrong to our own citizens. We shouldn’t have been fighting in Afghanistan/Iraq. We should have frozen the Bin-Laden’s fortune (Saudi Citizen) and acted within Saudi Borders to make sure that only Saudi Arabia paid any kind of political price for growing terrorists like a drug dealer grows potted plants in their attic.

That our governments never seem to do the right thing with a longer view - shows just how dirty a business Politics and Banking has become in the world. Our armies bear the damage on their far-shores postings. Our citizens bear the brunt of those relations from those we’ve made our enemies closer to home. I wonder how much support our politicians would get from the electorate both Left and Right - if a future war with the Islamic establishment of Saudi Arabia were ever put to the vote?

…What we do and have done for some time since - is like walking down the street looking for the school bully to confront, - but end up punching the first baby you see instead. :frowning:

Back to my OP subject - What are we going to do to stop the next attack? - Not “Prevent” it - but actually STOP it.?

These are the headlines we want to be reading over the coming weeks…

“Three Islamists were shot dead today, whilst approaching an underground station with a number of suspicious cannisters”

“Two likely lads were taken down by SO19 this morning, having pulled out knives and swords on a bus. An off-duty SO19 officer pulled his concealed weapon, and acted before members of the public could be harmed”

“A minibus full of Jihadists was brought to a standstill by a rolling police roadblock, and active-vested jihadis were shot dead in a hail of bullets before being able to trigger their devices. Officers attending have been recommended for the George Cross”

… and finally a headline I don’t ever want to be reading:

“Home Secretary Diane Abbot has been quizzed today by leader of the opposition Boris Johnson after 73 people were killed at the British Museum in the latest of a long series of terror attacks aimed at British Cultural Values. Mr Johnson demanded to know why Islamists were not prevented from entering the building, and why no one even bothered to search their backpacks. Ms Abbot referred Mr Johnson to the freshly-minted “Civil Rights Act” that prevents any non-white or non-Christian being approached by any civilian over any issue that could relate to Terrorism, Religion, or Race. Ms Abbot further warned Mr Johnson ‘that to proceed further with his clearly racist remarks would be met with punitive legal action against both him and his party, and any further criticisms of the home secretary in future - would automatically be considered a race hate crime.’ Mr Johnson was ordered to sit down and shut up by all 59 SNP parliamentarians baying at him with derision.”

scotstrucker:

Laup:

Winseer:
Like it or not, this will have an effect on the imminent election.

We’ve now got to choose between Labour who want to open the floodgates to these people even wider, or Conservative who seem more scared of the Right than of the Left who are snapping at their heels, if the latest opinion polls are anything to go by.

DM is saying there are now 7 separate fatalities across at least the two locations London Bridge itself, and Borough Market (across the road from London Bridge tube station) involving knives and running people down. :frowning:

No further info on Suffolk Street and Vauxhall as yet. 7.7 all over again.
Moment London Bridge jihadis were shot dead by police | Daily Mail Online
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Let’s be very very clear, these attacks are happening under our current Conservative government. Snoopers charter is a huge success… NOT. Cuts to fire, police, army and navy into 10s of 1000s. Get the tories out!

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lets be very clear it all started when a labour government sided with america and went into iraq, now that went well didnt it, then the conservative goverment backed the arab spring which hasnt helped in anyway but at the end of the day it wouldnt matter who was in office it was still happen.

It actually ‘all started’ when we allowed an alliance of zb Socialists and cheap Labour Cons to corrupt our immigration system and definition of Nationality.To the point where we’ve now got a predictable problem of a hostile immigrant demographic with split loyalties using the excuse of the justified,but totally wrongly implemented and executed,pre emptive,defensive action,against the Middle East,in the form of GW 1 and 2 and Afghan.

On that note the bit that us and the US got wrong and continues to get wrong was in viewing Saudi as an ally and not an even bigger enemy than Iraq.With this problem firstly at the very least requiring deportation of the Islamic demographic in Europe and telling the Saudis that either they dismantle their savage Wahabbist agenda or we will but this time we’ll do the job properly by strategic attack not tactical.

To which Trump’s and May’s answer is let’s go on arming the Saudis to the teeth and viewing the Saudi Wahabbist regime as an asset not a savage liability and continuing to appease the zb Socialists by carrying on with the open door immigration policies and definition of nationality which is the cause of the problem. :unamused: With Trump’s seeming idiotic idea being to play off Sunni Islam against Shia.While Sunni and Shia Islam is doing exactly the opposite in being united in Jihad while pretending war against each other.On that note when did the Shia leadership in Iran ever boycott the Haj on the grounds that they view Wahabbist Sunni Islam as their enemy. :unamused:

Dolph:
RIP to all fallen innocent people.
Fvcking coward, attacking and killing girls and civilians.
I wish UK and Europe in general acts strongly and swiftly, stop with the liberal BS regarding terrorism.
Im listening BBC - police and MI5 investigate 500 plots for attacks :open_mouth:, how to fight it journalist asked, the answer- more community work, more tolerance, more police work, FU, deport the mothef***ers back to Lybia, Syria etc. if they are British citizens, strip them from citizenship and deport them to parent home country.
Its 717-718AD all over again with different means.

Great idea but then in the next breath you’re saying that Farage is the problem and the EU’s Federal dictatorship,run by people like Merkel and Juncker and Tusk etc and by implication its PC open door immigration policy,is the solution.Just because Farage doesn’t fit your own self interest agenda when it suits you. :unamused:

Winseer:
These are the headlines we want to be reading over the coming weeks…

“Three Islamists were shot dead today, whilst approaching an underground station with a number of suspicious cannisters”

“Two likely lads were taken down by SO19 this morning, having pulled out knives and swords on a bus. An off-duty SO19 officer pulled his concealed weapon, and acted before members of the public could be harmed”

“A minibus full of Jihadists was brought to a standstill by a rolling police roadblock, and active-vested jihadis were shot dead in a hail of bullets before being able to trigger their devices. Officers attending have been recommended for the George Cross”

… and finally a headline I don’t ever want to be reading:

“Home Secretary Diane Abbot has been quizzed today by leader of the opposition Boris Johnson after 73 people were killed at the British Museum in the latest of a long series of terror attacks aimed at British Cultural Values. Mr Johnson demanded to know why Islamists were not prevented from entering the building, and why no one even bothered to search their backpacks. Ms Abbot referred Mr Johnson to the freshly-minted “Civil Rights Act” that prevents any non-white or non-Christian being approached by any civilian over any issue that could relate to Terrorism, Religion, or Race. Ms Abbot further warned Mr Johnson ‘that to proceed further with his clearly racist remarks would be met with punitive legal action against both him and his party, and any further criticisms of the home secretary in future - would automatically be considered a race hate crime.’ Mr Johnson was ordered to sit down and shut up by all 59 SNP parliamentarians baying at him with derision.”

Ironically if you want an example of how to terrorise ‘terrorists’ you won’t find anything that beats the tactics of the Black and Tan in early 20th century Ireland.Knock on the door at any time followed by summary execution all carried out with total deniability and only the ‘terrorists’ know who did it. :bulb:

Winseer mate…, the workings of your mind never cease to amaze me. :neutral_face: