Harry Monk:
In fairness, Encore Personnel have acknowledged that there was a breakdown in communications about this.
Soothing…
Words from the top table because they’ve got some bad press here.
When you’ve got yer money and an apology for being dishonest about the emails you know they recieved, that would be the time to start talking about fairness.
yourhavingalarf:
Harry Monk:
In fairness, Encore Personnel have acknowledged that there was a breakdown in communications about this.Soothing…
Words from the top table because they’ve got some bad press here.
When you’ve got yer money and an apology for being dishonest about the emails you know they recieved, that would be the time to start talking about fairness.
Oh no, these vile slugs will be making the payment of overdue wages conditional upon a retraction of all negative publicity about their (choose your own adjective) operating methods.
" Breakdown in communications", my arse. Suit speak for got caught out.
del trotter:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
OK, an update. I did receive a phone call from a senior manager today, he has read this thread, in fairness he does accept that something has gone wrong, does understand why I am feeling aggrieved, and has stated that their payroll department could have handled the situation differently.Normally it might not have caused me such a problem but as most of you know I divide my year between narrowboating and work, and when I do go back to work it is because I have exhausted my savings. I was at the point on Monday where I could not even put diesel in my car to get to work on Tuesday. It wasn’t a case of me being “arsey”, but I’m not going to walk 16 miles to work and back.
I’m hoping I can get this resolved. Agency work does suit me because of the way I can dip in and out of it, I work to live, not live to work and so a permanent job isn’t what I’m looking for.
Whatever happens, I’m away on the boat next week with my boy, we’re going to Banbury. According to the AA route planner it’s 48 minutes by car, according to CanalPlanAC, which is a similar thing, it’s 21 hours and 12 minutes by boat.
Not sure if this is actually true but a bit bloody silly, if it is. (end of lecture
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Exactly, Intermittent worker keeps no reserve in the bank and it’s the fault of the agency,
So, you think it’s fair that HM, after he submits his sheet on time. does the work gets it done correctly and on time. To not be paid on time … it’s a 2 way street.
discoman:
del trotter:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
OK, an update. I did receive a phone call from a senior manager today, he has read this thread, in fairness he does accept that something has gone wrong, does understand why I am feeling aggrieved, and has stated that their payroll department could have handled the situation differently.Normally it might not have caused me such a problem but as most of you know I divide my year between narrowboating and work, and when I do go back to work it is because I have exhausted my savings. I was at the point on Monday where I could not even put diesel in my car to get to work on Tuesday. It wasn’t a case of me being “arsey”, but I’m not going to walk 16 miles to work and back.
I’m hoping I can get this resolved. Agency work does suit me because of the way I can dip in and out of it, I work to live, not live to work and so a permanent job isn’t what I’m looking for.
Whatever happens, I’m away on the boat next week with my boy, we’re going to Banbury. According to the AA route planner it’s 48 minutes by car, according to CanalPlanAC, which is a similar thing, it’s 21 hours and 12 minutes by boat.
Not sure if this is actually true but a bit bloody silly, if it is. (end of lecture
Exactly, Intermittent worker keeps no reserve in the bank and it’s the fault of the agency,
So, you think it’s fair that HM, after he submits his sheet on time. does the work gets it done correctly and on time. To not be paid on time … it’s a 2 way street.
Never commented on whether it was fair or not, just the fact that someone who works intermittently doesn’t have a contingency fund for situations such as late payment,HM says himself he couldn’t get to work due to a lack of fuel and cash, poor planning on his part, try reading the posts with your blinkers off and your head out of Harry’s arse.
del trotter:
discoman:
del trotter:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
OK, an update. I did receive a phone call from a senior manager today, he has read this thread, in fairness he does accept that something has gone wrong, does understand why I am feeling aggrieved, and has stated that their payroll department could have handled the situation differently.Normally it might not have caused me such a problem but as most of you know I divide my year between narrowboating and work, and when I do go back to work it is because I have exhausted my savings. I was at the point on Monday where I could not even put diesel in my car to get to work on Tuesday. It wasn’t a case of me being “arsey”, but I’m not going to walk 16 miles to work and back.
I’m hoping I can get this resolved. Agency work does suit me because of the way I can dip in and out of it, I work to live, not live to work and so a permanent job isn’t what I’m looking for.
Whatever happens, I’m away on the boat next week with my boy, we’re going to Banbury. According to the AA route planner it’s 48 minutes by car, according to CanalPlanAC, which is a similar thing, it’s 21 hours and 12 minutes by boat.
Not sure if this is actually true but a bit bloody silly, if it is. (end of lecture [emoji38] )
Exactly, Intermittent worker keeps no reserve in the bank and it’s the fault of the agency,
So, you think it’s fair that HM, after he submits his sheet on time. does the work gets it done correctly and on time. To not be paid on time … it’s a 2 way street.
Never commented on whether it was fair or not, just the fact that someone who works intermittently doesn’t have a contingency fund for situations such as late payment,HM says himself he couldn’t get to work due to a lack of fuel and cash, poor planning on his part, try reading the posts with your blinkers off and your head out of Harry’s arse.
I think in this day an age everyone can expect to be paid on time. I wouldn’t have a back up plan either.
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Yeah, because everyone thinks when they get paid, i know, ill save £150 this week just incase i dont get paid next week 
Maybe you should read the post trotts … of the agency had of paid him when they should of he would of had the Money … it’s what’s expected … the agency probably do it due to sailing close to the edge on cash flow … so make the excuse we didn’t get the time sheet to get the money from clients into pay the drivers … I’m sure you have a week or 2 worth of wages put aside just encase your gaffer decides to not pay you when expected.
Sure we all agree ■■■■ poor from the agency, but HM not having a contingency fund is a bit of an eye opener. An ex OD who knows how quickly it gets expensive when things go wrong. Presumably the choice was diesel in the tank or food on the plate!
I work intermittently but i feel i can only do so because i have a decent rainy day fund to cover, dropping your phone/boiler blowing up/breaking a leg. Not since my mid 20s have I had zero savings.
Anyway, good luck Harry, maybe senior management will compensate you for the inconvenience caused, don’t hold your breath.
it not just agencies that do not pay on time or not at all, I have in the past worked for both agencies and full time employers that have not paid on time or at all, and I to have not had a contingency plan for what ever reason at the time, but as one man (who also did not pay me) said, never fall out with your enemies or you cannot get your own back.
bristolrob:
Yeah, because everyone thinks when they get paid, i know, ill save £150 this week just incase i dont get paid next week
Why £150 a weeks, £10 per week set aside for rainy days will build up a pretty decent safety net to cope with most emergencies. I take it you breeze through life with no provision for any emergency such as the car or boiler breaking down, no wonder payday loan companies can screw a fortune out of folk.
isaac hunt:
Sure we all agree ■■■■ poor from the agency, but HM not having a contingency fund is a bit of an eye opener. An ex OD who knows how quickly it gets expensive when things go wrong. Presumably the choice was diesel in the tank or food on the plate!
I work intermittently but i feel i can only do so because i have a decent rainy day fund to cover, dropping your phone/boiler blowing up/breaking a leg. Not since my mid 20s have I had zero savings.
Anyway, good luck Harry, maybe senior management will compensate you for the inconvenience caused, don’t hold your breath.
bbc.co.uk/news/business-37504449
Lack of savings is a common problem.
I have no savings, my habit is to go cruising until I have totally depleted them and then go back to work, but I have no debt either. I do own some shares, but these can’t be liquidated overnight and in any event the whole point of owning shares is that they have to be bought and sold at the right time. I have been paid today so I do now have a small margin to play with.
del trotter:
bristolrob:
Yeah, because everyone thinks when they get paid, i know, ill save £150 this week just incase i dont get paid next weekWhy £150 a weeks, £10 per week set aside for rainy days will build up a pretty decent safety net to cope with most emergencies. I take it you breeze through life with no provision for any emergency such as the car or boiler breaking down, no wonder payday loan companies can screw a fortune out of folk.
Nah no breezing through life for me, but im not disputing the saving side because i have got savings for reasons such as you listed, im just saying i dont think people should have to save just incase they dont get paid
Regardless if Harry has savings or not, he had a contract with this agency (either written or verbal).
They both agreed on 2 simple fact, Harry would do the work in a timely and correct way, the agency would pay him timely and correct.
One party failed by ignoring the contract, that makes them dodgy, unreliable and cowboys.
Even if he had 2 tanks full of fuel, they didn’t fulfil their part of the contract.
Any excuse was not good enough, even if they had not received the email (doubtful) they could have still paid the basics, as they knew he worked at their client.
They could have sorted all the rest after.
A big part of working people are only 1 or 2 bills away from being homeless, not everyone can have stacks of money spare for whatever reason, an employer (even a temporary one) should never assume that people are alright for a couple of weeks without any income.
caledoniandream:
A big part of working people are only 1 or 2 bills away from being homeless, not everyone can have stacks of money spare for whatever reason, an employer (even a temporary one) should never assume that people are alright for a couple of weeks without any income.
Nail on head, many working class people are only a couple of wage packets from serious problems, and not because they ■■■■■■ it up the wall either.
Juddian:
caledoniandream:
A big part of working people are only 1 or 2 bills away from being homeless, not everyone can have stacks of money spare for whatever reason, an employer (even a temporary one) should never assume that people are alright for a couple of weeks without any income.Nail on head, many working class people are only a couple of wage packets from serious problems, and not because they ■■■■■■ it up the wall either.
Yep, been there, done that. And what business is it of any of ours if HM chooses to live from week to week. He has a right to expect to be paid on time, every time. I’ve been through this crap more than once when we had a mortgage to pay and kids to feed etc. It doesn’t make any difference if you’ve got plenty of money in the bank, you’ve worked for your wages !
If harry’s idea of living is going from week to week and whiling away time on a narrow boat when he’s got money, jeffing good luck to him, I can see the attraction, regular money or not.
Winseer:
“How come when there’s a mistake, it’s always involving ME being paid short. You never paid me ££££’s extra by mistake.”
I had my agency call as a client was disputing my claimed finishing time. Id claimed for 5 but they had downloaded my card at half 4. They wer’nt quite so on the ball when I accidently signed in at 7am rather than 6am a couple of weeks later and it was ME who had to chase that one up when I noticed the shortfall!
Juddian:
caledoniandream:
A big part of working people are only 1 or 2 bills away from being homeless, not everyone can have stacks of money spare for whatever reason, an employer (even a temporary one) should never assume that people are alright for a couple of weeks without any income.Nail on head, many working class people are only a couple of wage packets from serious problems, and not because they ■■■■■■ it up the wall either.
A couple? If my wages get f—ed up and unpaid in entirety at the end of ANY month - my mortgage don’t get paid. 
“Hand to Mouth” is pretty much the same as “Just About Managing” I reckon.
Moving myself off tax credits when I went full time two years ago - had some unforseen problems with regards to those tax credits being flipped into a loan rather than just given me to live on - and not asked for back.
That puts me in the same boat as Students lugging around all that student debt. I haven’t had “savings” since 2002 when we still had a dual income in this household.
The-Snowman:
Winseer:
“How come when there’s a mistake, it’s always involving ME being paid short. You never paid me ££££’s extra by mistake.”I had my agency call as a client was disputing my claimed finishing time. Id claimed for 5 but they had downloaded my card at half 4. They wer’nt quite so on the ball when I accidently signed in at 7am rather than 6am a couple of weeks later and it was ME who had to chase that one up when I noticed the shortfall!
We’re all guilty of being dishonest then really. Would we all shut up and be quiet like the Agencies - if we were paid over, and it wasn’t picked up straight away? I’ve heard it does happen.
I got paid someone else’s 5 hours of saturday morning overtime once. My payslip fell on the doormat showing that I’d been paid this amount (the first I knew of it, because the pay didn’t go into the bank account until next day) - and as I read this letter - the phone rang… It was wages asking me “what arrangement I’d like to put in place to re-pay this mistakenly paid overtime” - seeing as it was too late to prevent it being part of that month’s wages.
I would say that people only chase it up then - when it’s them out of pocket.
The only times I remember me chasing it up when I was supposed to be “ahead” - was when I was assured that salary sacrifice at BlueArrow would leave me “in front” with regards to pay.
There was a +£25 for a night out on it, and a minus £84 for “expenses SS” which I was informed was “Salary Sacrifice”. I asked the obvious question: "How come I’m £59 out of court over all there?
I kept getting lied to about “You are better off - honestly”.
I wasn’t - and I never bloody was, because I also later got a demand from HMRC for the unpaid taxes on those wage slips mentioning SS… This turned out to be even worse than the £27 one might get docked for “Umbrella Fees”. I won’t ever be darkening their doors again in any case. I only went there in the first place because their rates were £13ph which I deemed as quite good in 2011… Just goes to show that “More is all too often less” when it comes to fancy agency self-employed “Pseudo Paye” type stuff.
I’m sure others will have bad stories about DePoel, Nova, etc. along similar lines as well.
Did any of these firms actually get taken to task by HMRC to the point that agencies folded, directors fined, company owners jailed?
Captain Caveman 76:
bbc.co.uk/news/business-37504449Lack of savings is a common problem.
I guess i really am one of a lucky few.
Winseer:
A couple? If my wages get f—ed up and unpaid in entirety at the end of ANY month - my mortgage don’t get paid.
You really make me laugh Wincey, not that long ago you were telling us that you were an intermediate experienced trader in bonds,oil and coffee
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=129506&p=2027343&hilit=stock+market+winseer#p2027144
Turns out, you don’t have a pot to ■■■■ in. And you’ve blown your redundancy, i bet RM could not believe their luck when you applied.
