ITALY HELP AT ANY TIME

[Simon]

Hi please could tell me if i can go through the Frejus tunnel with my 1998 S reg scania truck as i have to get to Italy next week many thanks.

I think you'll have a problem with an S reg wagon.
I'm sure there's restrictions on anything older than Euro 3, but I'll have a look n see if I can confirm that.

[littleman]

Hi please could tell me if i can go through the Frejus tunnel with my 1998 S reg scania truck as i have to get to Italy next week many thanks.

I think you'll have a problem with an S reg wagon.
I'm sure there's restrictions on anything older than Euro 3, but I'll have a look n see if I can confirm that.

Cheers mate if you could find out for me,as i am going down with a removal lorry is there any other way if i cant go the tunnel many thanks again.

[Simon]

Hi please could tell me if i can go through the Frejus tunnel with my 1998 S reg scania truck as i have to get to Italy next week many thanks.

I think you'll have a problem with an S reg wagon.
I'm sure there's restrictions on anything older than Euro 3, but I'll have a look n see if I can confirm that.

After only a quick look, the only thing I can find, so far, is the Tarrif List.
There I found

POIDS LOURDS,
Classe 3, Euro 0 (*), 127,40 Euros.
Classe 4, Euro 0 (*), 256,00 Euros.
(*) Autocars & bus uniquement.

Autocars & bus uniquement means, I think, cars and buses only.
Classe 3 means 2 axle truck over 3m high. Classe 4 means 3 or more axle truck over 3m high.

I'm fairly sure that an S reg wagon will be Euro 0, so not allowed.
If it's a Euro 1, then it's the same rate, that's 1 way.
For the Mont Blanc Tunnel, I can only see rates for Euro 1 or better.

Here is a link to the English version of the French SFTRF site, Frejus Tunnel Info page.

Where in Italy are you going? Is it a proper working trip, or a show truck?
The options basically are, Ventamilia, Frejus, Mont Blanc, via Switzerland or via Austria.
There are probably a few other routes, over passes etc. But there are a lot of weight restrictions which make it difficult. I've only ever used to 'normal heavy traffic' routes, so I don't know about other alternatives.

[littleman]

Hi Simon many thanks for your trouble in finding out,i am going near Rimini with a full load of household furniture as someone is moving there to live,would you advise me to take my scania up the passes or not,she is only a 220bhp motor many thanks again.

[brit pete]

Many of the passes are closed to vehicles over a certain weight
check the route before to be safe as it may end up that you waste time and
money, is this site any good for you needs a slow read through
alpine passes

[Archie Paice]

Hullo littleman,
I've not been to Italy for many years now, althought my Son has lived there for 15 years now, since I decided to sell up. I know not a thing about euro 2/3/4 engines, but what I would say to you is if you are going to Rimini in a rigid bodied Scania, stay away from the passes. as it will just be a ball ache traversing the tight corners. I personally would elect to drive straighgt down through France, enter via Ventiglimelia and drive across to Rimini. Steady driving all the way, most of it on Autoroutes, easy. If you are moving furniture I assume you have priced up the job anyway, so what did you use as a basis for that ? I wonder. We only used to use all these passes to save our Permit allocation, nowdays nobody has to worry about that. Take it easy, drive steady and save money. Good luck on your trip.
Cheers, Archie

[littleman]

Hullo littleman,
I've not been to Italy for many years now, althought my Son has lived there for 15 years now, since I decided to sell up. I know not a thing about euro 2/3/4 engines, but what I would say to you is if you are going to Rimini in a rigid bodied Scania, stay away from the passes. as it will just be a ball ache traversing the tight corners. I personally would elect to drive straighgt down through France, enter via Ventiglimelia and drive across to Rimini. Steady driving all the way, most of it on Autoroutes, easy. If you are moving furniture I assume you have priced up the job anyway, so what did you use as a basis for that ? I wonder. We only used to use all these passes to save our Permit allocation, nowdays nobody has to worry about that. Take it easy, drive steady and save money. Good luck on your trip.
Cheers, Archie

Hi Archie thanks for the advise,i am back from italy now and believe it or not i took a chance with the tunnel and they let me through on a euro4 tarriff when my motor was euro0,just lucky i guess right time right day,many thanks again.

[JonnyRage]

Hi I am delivering a load to just outside of Naples, would you be so kind as to tell me the best and cheapest route, do I need to be wary of being hijacked as I have heard rumours but tend to take them with a pinch. I intended to use frajus. Any help would be greatly appreciated

[Simon]

Hi I am delivering a load to just outside of Naples, would you be so kind as to tell me the best and cheapest route, do I need to be wary of being hijacked as I have heard rumours but tend to take them with a pinch. I intended to use frajus. Any help would be greatly appreciated

As far as I remember, the best and cheapest route is the obvious one, when looking at a map.
Calais, Reims, Dijon, Lyon, Chambery, Frejus, Turin, Modena, Bologna, Florence, Rome, Naples.
(In Italy, look for the Italian names on the road signs - Torino, Firenza, Roma, Napoli or you'll get lost. Use an Italian Stradali (map)).
Toll roads all the way basically, but they are also good clear and fast.
Don't speed in Italy, they'll fine you on the spot and are apparently quite keen these days, the limit is 80 .
Naples had a reputation for hijackings, I don't know how much of that reputation was truth or myth.
The story was, that it would be a Mafia hijacking, and that if you didn't try to be a hero you and your personal gear would be ok. No-one else with any sense would try a hi-jacking in the Napoli area.
Naples isn't an area I know at all, so I can't recommend good parking.

From Calais, Macon is an easy 9 hours. The Pub at Bourg en Bresse is getting close to 10.
B & C for the BP at Macon and The Pub at Bourge
Either of those to the TIR Parking at Campogalliano or the big service area just before Bologna is a reasonable days work.They are both slightly off the direct route to Naples, but the extra distance isn't worth bothering about.
A & B for Macon and the Pub, C & D for Campogalliano and Bologna
From either of these its an easy days drive to Naples.

[Brit in Malta]

I brob would need help

[brit pete]

then put any questions you have forward as a post
after reading through the sticky,s so you can read
what is posted there,
here is a very Good tip even if you do have a sat-nav


Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

[Simon]

Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

The set of three are made of North, Middle and South.
Only get all three if you'll NEED them.

[Wheel Nut]

Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

The set of three are made of North, Middle and South.
Only get all three if you'll NEED them.

I think coming on a ferry from Malta Orys, he may need all three!

I prefer IP or Atlante Stradale Nord, Sud and Centro

[bullitt]

Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

The set of three are made of North, Middle and South.
Only get all three if you'll NEED them.

I think coming on a ferry from Malta Orys, he may need all three!

I prefer IP or Atlante Stradale Nord, Sud and Centro

ORYS?????????

[Coffeeholic]

Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

The set of three are made of North, Middle and South.
Only get all three if you'll NEED them.

I think coming on a ferry from Malta Orys, he may need all three!

I prefer IP or Atlante Stradale Nord, Sud and Centro

ORYS?????????

Have you ever seen Orys and Simon in the same place at the same time? Thought not, so it could be.......

[Simon]

Get the set of 3 yes THREE atlas for Italy
these are the best ones at all good ITALIAN
truck-stops or motorway services,

The set of three are made of North, Middle and South.
Only get all three if you'll NEED them.

I think coming on a ferry from Malta Orys, he may need all three!

I prefer IP or Atlante Stradale Nord, Sud and Centro

Aye, but only if he's delivering, if he's transiting straight through to the North before delivering he'll only need a basic road map for Sud and Centro. Thats all I meant. Each one of those books is expensive, worth there weight in gol;d if you need it, but an expensive mill stone if you don't.

ORYS?????????

Have you ever seen Orys and Simon in the same place at the same time? Thought not, so it could be.......

Your doing poor Orys a severe dis-service there.

[toby1234abc]

Mount Cenis is now a weight limit of 7.5 tons,this was the old way before the tunnels was built,before the tunnels were built,there was strong anti truck sentiment,as the plan was to have two lanes each way instead of one way traffic,the locals were concerned about pollution and higher traffic volumes if two lanes in and out were built,as then it was cheaper to build two lane traffic compared to it being too expensive to modify it now.

[karl2878]

ther is an other way some may remember it from the old days and it was still open and is all year round and dont cost you a penny mount gennevro think i spelt it rite its a millitery road and is always open

[GBPub]

ther is an other way some may remember it from the old days and it was still open and is all year round and dont cost you a penny mount gennevro think i spelt it rite its a millitery road and is always open

You thinking of the n94 col de Montgenevre?

[karl2878]

yep if my memory serves me n94 out of breancon over the top then it splits right for sestriere left for susa was a good road to take when i used it with tight purse strings

[johnsonmatt]

That's great info. Thanks for sharing with us.

[toby1234abc]

Most of the drivers i have met are not too keen on going there,they never say why,is it the road set up,the food,not sure why?

[toby1234abc]

There is another shortcut to avoid the tolls,by going cross country in Lons de Sonier,they have put a weight limit on it,but it is not enforced,you go through some small villages,to Oyanax,then follow the national,which is hilly and slow,to Chambery,then national,to the tunnel to Italy.This would be a no no with ADR,as they have limited fire brigade cover in rural areas,and it attracts more attention,with the orange plates up that say stop me and buy one.

[Wheel Nut]

Aye, but only if he's delivering, if he's transiting straight through to the North before delivering he'll only need a basic road map for Sud and Centro. Thats all I meant. Each one of those books is expensive, worth there weight in gol;d if you need it, but an expensive mill stone if you don't.

Very good advice, but if you read the original posters other threads, you may find he needs all the help he can get

[weewill]

hello chaps, im shipping out to venice on sun, 10.04.11. was wondering do i have to pick up a set of snow chains before i leave? or has the date ended for carrying them ? cheers.

[toby1234abc]

I have never been stopped for chains going to Italy.

[Helen Stevens]

We are looking at taking an 18t box to Italy in a couple of weeks time, and I have not priced for Italy before. I have added all the usual costs, with diesel at an average rate, added nights out, ferries, Eurovignette for Belgium and Luxembourg, German Maut, Austrian go box and tolls, Italian tolls, CMR insurance. Have I got everything? I don't think the route includes any bridge or tunnel tolls as far as I am aware? (Calais, Brugge, Brussels, Namur, Luxembourg, Merzig, Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Munich, Keifersfelden, Innsbruck, Bolzano, Verona, Venice). Any help / thoughts very welcome. (I am snowed under with paperwork so may be slow to answer any questions, but will check back later). Many thanks in advance.

[brit pete]

remember to take into account all the "Driving Bans"" that are in force in all the
countrys YOUR vehicle will be passing through.look at the train system that operates
from GERMANY to ITALY as this can help avoid the ban but it is not cheap and you
need a confirmened reservation.

[toby1234abc]

Helen,headlights on in the day time for all classes of vehicles in Italy.If going via Swiss,present the truck papers to obtain a card with the vehicle information on it,at the border,a French driver assited me in this process,as a small error will cause delays and inconvenience.It is card with a chip on it,that you swipe at a machine.

[babet]

hi starting a new job on the 2 july running uk to italy any ifo of the road to take many thanks