When I started on lorries in the early 1960,s a hell of a lot of drivers learned to drive in the services when they had been called up for national service and a lot of them carried on driving in civvy street. It was a huge escape from the pits or factories, different world in those days. There is probably a few of those men still on the old timers web page that started like that and I don,t think they would agree with Mr Bracewell but reading some of his previous posts he often writes something before he puts his brain in gear