Standard of CVs

Please don’t think I am anti-army, I’m really not. Both my parents were in the Army during the war (yes I’m old!)

I’m just tired of reading rubbish. It’s not the spelling necessarily, it’s the complete inability to tell me what you have done in the past. If I could mind read I certainly wouldn’t be a TM!

Still looking and beginning to despair! Trying to persuade Chairman to seriously consider a pay rise so please wish me luck!

Luke, you might not need a CV (especially as you have survived trips to Iceland’s RDC) but I still expect people who aren’t as legendary as yourself to prove to me that they can actually drive!!

Tarmaceater:
We had an ex Royal Marine driving at my old firm , he wrecked units with mysterious damage and lied about it a loose tyre hitting his truck , damaged trailer curtains pulling out of the services and finally got the boot and had a mental breakdown, threatening to kill the manager that sacked him to the point where the manager had to be smuggled out of the yard in the company van to escape the mad man .
From what my brother told me , when driving Land Rovers with no lights, they taut him to crash through the gearbox , maybe not using the clutch, I don’t know so don’t shoot the messenger .
As I said , he later went through cars that had to be written off from gearbox damage or busted clutches when driving as a civilian .

So not exactly a class 1 ex RCT/RCL driver.
The clue is in the title Royal Marines and can sort of drive a Land Rover as part of that job but ideally only with an auto box.
That’s any guide to forces ( non ) ability to drive trucks how.
Oh and it is possible to shift between high and low range with a Land Rover box without stopping.But you’ll deffo need to use the clutch.I first heard the idea mentioned by a proper second to none forces driver at the MVEE. :wink:

good_friend:
Please don’t think I am anti-army, I’m really not. Both my parents were in the Army during the war (yes I’m old!)

I’m just tired of reading rubbish. It’s not the spelling necessarily, it’s the complete inability to tell me what you have done in the past. If I could mind read I certainly wouldn’t be a TM!

Still looking and beginning to despair! Trying to persuade Chairman to seriously consider a pay rise so please wish me luck!

Luke, you might not need a CV (especially as you have survived trips to Iceland’s RDC) but I still expect people who aren’t as legendary as yourself to prove to me that they can actually drive!!

So new driver with a genuine new HGV/LGV licence.
What do you want them to tell you that they’ve done in the past of any relevance other than perhaps a year or three driving vans if they’re lucky and/or are silly enough to do 120 drops in a shift.
Why isn’t the licence good enough for you.
There is a driver shortage so we’re told.
I don’t see the problem here so long as the licence checks out ok.

Good Friend.

I’m kind of thinking you might be shooting yourself in the foot here, it might be annoying to receive poorly written (though that itself doesn’t mean they won’t be excellent drivers) CVs, but by not saying what their past relevant experience in the industry is they have consigned their consideration to the bin, lot easier for you than having to make time to interview people who won’t be suitable anyway.

It’s obvious you are after industry experienced people so these others are doing you a favour, each one takes you what 5 minutes to discard?, if the CV’s comprised of lies (invented or exaggerated past) didn’t arrive it might cost you several hours interviewing plus time’s knock on effects only to end up binning the applicant which previously took you moments due entirely to their pointless cv.

I speak from the other side here, as an applicant who’s CV got my foot 95% through the door, i cold called at my present and final job and they would take things no further than names until a CV was forthcoming, true to say i’d never had to provide one before but the times they are a changing, and just like we have to accept (or relish as some do) all the other changes in our industry, we have to accept that methods of employing people have also changed, so make it work for you, if you get asked for a CV don’t sod about thinking about it for a week, make sure it’s sitting on the boss’s desk first thing next morning…if you ain’t keen enough to land the job, what does that tell the potential employer what your atttitude to the job will be 12 months down the line?

My suggestion to drivers who want to get the job, CV should be concise, all on one page, no waffle about team playing ■■■■■■■■, a short personal statement to say who you are, then state experience previous work record including attendance accident and damage record and the reasons for leaving previous employment, give previous employment contact name if possible, make your CV stand out from the others, it is after all you that wants the job.

Yes i know some drivers here have never needed a CV, with employers forming a queue :wink: , but the fact is better employers often now require a CV to introduce yourself for the reasons i stated above, for one job they want to consider and interview a handful at most not 40 (plus keeping the terms and conditions offered more discreet), so use the cv opportunity to crush the opposition out of the running at the first hurdle, the right CV with the right background you might be the only person they actually interview face to face, so tell the truth on the cv otherwise you’ll look a right chump when they trip you up at interview or worse still when they discover you lied 2 or 12 months after employing you and boot your arse out the door, then you have another missing period of time to explain away on the next application.

GF, couple of other things.
The only reason that good drivers wanting long term employment seek other jobs is to better themselves in pay or hours or type of work, unless you are offering above or well above average terms and conditions most of your applicants are going to be either inexperienced (nothing wrong with that we all had to start somewhere), those moving area or been made redundant, those who get itchy feet after a few months and will move on again ( best viewed as long term agency), or worse case those who leave behind a trail of destruction in their wake and have to change jobs like their ■■■■■■■.
If you get that pay rise authorised sharpish you may find any vacancies will be filled quickly by recommendations from existing staff you trust.

Recommendation works both ways. :wink:

commonrail:
Recommendation works both ways. :wink:

Yup, you have to be choosy whom you recommend, and one would assume that a switched on employer would know which existing employee’s judgement they trusted.

Was thinking more from an employee’s point of view.
If a job is good…those trusted(existing)employees will have mates ready to fill up any vacancies at the drop of a hat.

commonrail:
Was thinking more from an employee’s point of view.
If a job is good…those trusted(existing)employees will have mates ready to fill up any vacancies at the drop of a hat.

Yup, tru dat, and if Good Friend can get that pay rise authorised then it’ll only speed things up to everyone’s satisfaction…however it sounds like pay isn’t a normally reviewed item as would be the case were there a decent union in place, and if the pay isn’t any better than is the norm locally, then GF isn’t going to find an easy solution to her recruitment issues because there’s not much reason for good already employed drivers to look elsewhere.

Mick Bracewell:

m.a.n rules:
sits and awaits the maoster and many other ex service people :open_mouth:

p.s what a pathetic sweeping statement… :unamused:

Be shocked all you want. It’s the truth, by and large. They are programmed from an early age to take orders and follow them to the letter. If something happens that they haven’t had an order barked at them about, their arse falls out and the whole operation falls apart because they’ve never had to use the brain they’re born with, nor know what it’s there for, ergo they haven’t got a [zb] clue what to do. That works to some degree in the forces because there’s always someone higher up the food chain nannying and thinking for them 24/7, but it sure as hell doesn’t work in civvy street where the majority of firms expect you to use your brain and figure out solutions yourself when faced with the myriad of problems and issues you come across on the roads every day, eg. weather, roadworks, accidents, closures, delays. They might well be reasonably adept at driving an Oshkosh M1070 with 80t tank on the back over sand dunes whilst dodging bullets and not have to give a [zb] about who or what they hit/drive over in the process, but unsurprisingly that “experience” and mindset doesn’t translate well in civvy street.

Ex-forces drivers are basically human bots. If you need 26 pallets of beans moving in a box trailer from London RDC to Manchester RDC then they’ll get it there, so long as you provide them with a satnav and 200 steps of written instructions for them to follow. Then you just have to pray that there are no road closures, otherwise you’ll never see the driver nor the load again. Give them a page of collections and deliveries to do, leaving it up to them to do them in whatever way they think is best and see how it ends for you :laughing: . You might be happy to take that chance with quarter of a million pounds worth of kit, but I’ll pass, ta.

Mick Bracewell,

All you have done in this thread is cemented how much of a narrow minded moron you really are, Don’t you dare employ anyone who sends you a CV that states they have done anything else in life other than driving if you go by you logic, That farmer you employed, how is he going to resist the urge to stop on the hard shoulder, vault the fence and grab the udders of the first cow he passes and starts milking?
I best call my good friend I served with who is now a fully qualified financial adviser in case he reached for his pens and kills his next client as he was a trained solider and a ■■■■ good one…he must not be able to do any other job but that. Although he may struggle to answer his phone without being told how and when he must do it.

You clearly have no understanding of the military, The lowest level commander a L/cpl would be depended on to make decisions at any point, not just shooting, who what and where without any outside influence from “superiors”. But ensuing the unit is ready to deploy with the correct kit and equipment knowing what they have to do. And guess what…this can be an 18 year old man.
If you would overlook someone applying to you simply because they are ex forces is nothing short of discrimination and down right shameful. Please let me know which company you work for so i can be sure to never send you my CV as i’m sure you’d be someone id take pleasure in shoving that pen you use to mark the CV’s where the sun doesn’t shine. or is it that you’ve been put in your place in the past by someone who served and you now have a resentment towards them?
I’m not saying every ex-forces would be a suitable candidate. But No more so than any walk of life or previous occupation. But to simply overlook them on the basis you are.
I was trained to do many many things in the military, more things that you could imagine, not just ■■■■■■■■■■■ people.

Digging people out for having the ■■■■■■■■ to point out mistakes they have made in the job. All the “humans” you employ must be “bots” if they don’t make mistakes.

If You think i couldn’t experience most things on civi street without “making my arse fall out” after what me and my fellow soldiers went through? I recon I could make your arse fall out though.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I suspect Dear Mick was simply after a bite.
It’s rare to encounter someone so short of insight and judgement…

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When I started on lorries in the early 1960,s a hell of a lot of drivers learned to drive in the services when they had been called up for national service and a lot of them carried on driving in civvy street. It was a huge escape from the pits or factories, different world in those days. There is probably a few of those men still on the old timers web page that started like that and I don,t think they would agree with Mr Bracewell but reading some of his previous posts he often writes something before he puts his brain in gear

A CV is the only time a driver can give an account of his work experience before being asked questions if called in for an interview. Here in the US, and it may be the same there now, a previous company will not give a prospective company any info about the applicant when they worked for them. All they will say is he/she worked for us from this date to this date and no info on performance. Even being crafty and asking if they would hire the applicant back will not be answered.

And here’s a tip for applicants who go for an interview, at my last interview was a human resources lady and after I got the job she later said she looks at the applicants finger nails and if they’re clean she knows that he/she is a good driver. :sunglasses: :smiley:

Juddian:
I’m kind of thinking you might be shooting yourself in the foot here, it might be annoying to receive poorly written (though that itself doesn’t mean they won’t be excellent drivers) CVs, but by not saying what their past relevant experience in the industry is they have consigned their consideration to the bin, lot easier for you than having to make time to interview people who won’t be suitable anyway.

It’s obvious you are after industry experienced people

My suggestion to drivers who want to get the job, CV should be concise, all on one page, no waffle about team playing ■■■■■■■■, a short personal statement to say who you are, then state experience previous work record including attendance accident and damage record and the reasons for leaving previous employment, give previous employment contact name if possible, make your CV stand out from the others, it is after all you that wants the job.
applicants are going to be either inexperienced (nothing wrong with that we all had to start somewhere)

^ Surely that’s a contradiction.
Some would rightly say that those with the OP’s attitude are just parasites expecting other employers to provide them with a pool of ‘experienced’ drivers.
Obviously also at the expense of new drivers or drivers wanting to climb the ladder.

The experience issue is a toxic requirement that isn’t consistent with claims of a ‘driver shortage’ and which can damage the career opportunities of decent prospective employees.The idea of a ‘CV’ is all about pandering to that situation.

Everyone deserves a fair chance without bs pecking orders and the ‘experience’ issue standing in their way.
Applications should be viewed in good faith on the basis that it’s a decent driver until proven otherwise and no need for any bs CV in that process.

Carryfast:

Juddian:

^ Surely that’s a contradiction.
Some would rightly say that those with the OP’s attitude are just parasites expecting other employers to provide them with a pool of ‘experienced’ drivers.
Obviously also at the expense of new drivers or drivers wanting to climb the ladder.

The experience issue is a toxic requirement that isn’t consistent with claims of a ‘driver shortage’ and which can damage the career opportunities of decent prospective employees.The idea of a ‘CV’ is all about pandering to that situation.

Everyone deserves a fair chance without bs pecking orders and the ‘experience’ issue standing in their way.
Applications should be viewed in good faith on the basis that it’s a decent driver until proven otherwise and no need for any bs CV in that process.

Which is fine so long as you are the employer and prepared to hand your £100k to £200k outfit to some unknown with no previous, just cos its his turn? and won’t be worried when bod can’t be arsed to turn up several days every now or milks the sick pay and then and when he is there he wrecks the thing and ■■■■■■ the customers off, specialist bodies in particular a middling dent might cost £10k+ and 6 weeks off the roads to fix, not all damage is a £10 rubbolite fitting or a £80 curtain patch, you OK with footing such bills?

A mate some years ago had to show some half wit supposed to be replacing him the run he was doing, his night with the bod frightened the living daylights out of him, the proverbial never be a driver as long as has a hole in his arse.
Once out on his own said clown, who couldn’t cope with a manual box destroyed a clutch, replacement vehicle (possibly the next night) he burnt the clutch out too and when they eventually recovered the load, they found unrestrained undelivered cages strewn all over the floor and the fridge turned off and the product melted all over the deck, presumably still ok so long as its his turn for a job eh?

Some outfits do become training grounds for the industry, entirely the fault of that operator no one else, usually headed by some twerp who will almost certainly have uttered the immortal phrase ‘‘i can get drivers ten a penny’’, heard those very words once at a so called drivers meeting he called from the then boss, that would been around '92 and have watched with satisfaction over the years how he’s had to eat those words time and again.

Carryfast:
Everyone deserves a fair chance without bs pecking orders and the ‘experience’ issue standing in their way.

Easy to say when you have no dog in the fight. I highly doubt you’d be saying that as the owner of quarter of millions pounds worth of kit that you’re looking for someone to drive. You have two applications on your desk, one from a newbie with no experience and one with 10 years experience doing the same type of work backed up with checkable references from former employers. You would take the experienced guy every time and I would call you a liar if you said otherwise.

If someone is a new driver they have only been shown how to pilot the thing. Making the truck earn its keep and pay the driver is some thing that they have never done. I would rather invest and take a chance on a newbie who could be trained in all aspects of commercial driving.

Juddian:

Carryfast:
The experience issue is a toxic requirement that isn’t consistent with claims of a ‘driver shortage’ and which can damage the career opportunities of decent prospective employees.The idea of a ‘CV’ is all about pandering to that situation.

Everyone deserves a fair chance without bs pecking orders and the ‘experience’ issue standing in their way.
Applications should be viewed in good faith on the basis that it’s a decent driver until proven otherwise and no need for any bs CV in that process.

Which is fine so long as you are the employer and prepared to hand your £100k to £200k outfit to some unknown with no previous, just cos its his turn? and won’t be worried when bod can’t be arsed to turn up several days every now or milks the sick pay and then and when he is there he wrecks the thing and ■■■■■■ the customers off, specialist bodies in particular a middling dent might cost £10k+ and 6 weeks off the roads to fix, not all damage is a £10 rubbolite fitting or a £80 curtain patch, you OK with footing such bills?

A mate some years ago had to show some half wit supposed to be replacing him the run he was doing, his night with the bod frightened the living daylights out of him, the proverbial never be a driver as long as has a hole in his arse.
Once out on his own said clown, who couldn’t cope with a manual box destroyed a clutch, replacement vehicle (possibly the next night) he burnt the clutch out too and when they eventually recovered the load, they found unrestrained undelivered cages strewn all over the floor and the fridge turned off and the product melted all over the deck, presumably still ok so long as its his turn for a job eh?

Some outfits do become training grounds for the industry, entirely the fault of that operator no one else, usually headed by some twerp who will almost certainly have uttered the immortal phrase ‘‘i can get drivers ten a penny’’, heard those very words once at a so called drivers meeting he called from the then boss, that would been around '92 and have watched with satisfaction over the years how he’s had to eat those words time and again.

Let’s get this right history has seen instances of everything from drunk and incapable drivers to suicidally deranged drivers, to criminal drivers who’ll nick a truck and its load.
To drivers with bent licences which sounds like your example.
So do we close the whole industry down to all new unknown drivers on that basis.When the ‘experienced’ ‘trusted’ pool runs out that’s it no more ?.
Ironically a CV, like all of the ‘experience’ issue, is just an opportunity for the worst to get in based on bs and lies.
So a driver honestly says no experience, or long term unemployed/sick so no references, why should that automatically mean the premise of the worst.
Isn’t that exactly where we are now.
Employers whingeing about a driver shortage and not enough new drivers to replace those retiring and drivers rightly moaning about being denied opportunities based on the employers false premises and fears.

One wonders how with such short termist attitudes Mick got his driving experience.

I’m also intrigued with such inspirational attitudes what his staff turnover is like.

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Mick Bracewell:

Carryfast:
Everyone deserves a fair chance without bs pecking orders and the ‘experience’ issue standing in their way.

Easy to say when you have no dog in the fight. I highly doubt you’d be saying that as the owner of quarter of millions pounds worth of kit that you’re looking for someone to drive. You have two applications on your desk, one from a newbie with no experience and one with 10 years experience doing the same type of work backed up with checkable references from former employers. You would take the experienced guy every time and I would call you a liar if you said otherwise.

How did the one with the 10 years experience get a start to gain his experience by your logic.
There’s a shortage why isn’t there enough work for both drivers experienced and new.
Also the experience issue doesn’t just apply to new drivers it applies when trying to move on to different types of work.
To the point where a driver with less than 5 years or even no experience gets the job over the driver with 10 years or more ‘experience’ just because the former was in the right place at the right time to be given the right start.
A new Hiab truck can be worth a lot more than a few years old unit on international traction in that regard.No surprise which job the ‘newbie’ or even not so newbie mug is expected to take.

good_friend:
Luke, you might not need a CV (especially as you have survived trips to Iceland’s RDC) but I still expect people who aren’t as legendary as yourself to prove to me that they can actually drive!!

Well, just as well since if you wanted me to prove that I’d be a bit f**ked :wink: