robroy:
Look mate, we’re never going to agree on this, I think the EU is a self serving gravy train , a corrupt organisation that granted we got thousands of pounds out of, but after putting millions in.You think it’s the be all and end all, and that the UK is incapable of surviving without, so we both come at it from different biased directions.
Noticable and radical changes ain’t going to happen overnight, so we will see what will happen and how it pans out, in maybe a couple of years or so?
So in the meantime I’ll keep gloating and you keep whinging …
Just for the record btw, I’ve got Dutch in laws and friends, they tell me the general mood in NL is ‘wait and see how Brexit goes’ , but many are as sick and tired of it as we are/were…(well the majority of the UK anyway, if not you. )
I too doubt we will agree on this, so it`s nice to agree on that!
“The Gravy Train” bit: are politicians well paid? Are they paid excessively?
Maybe. But I dont see the EU as being much different to other institutions. Are MEPs worse than Westminster MPs? I dont see Brussels as worse than London.
I dont think the EU is perfect at all. But I do think its likely better for us to be in it, rather than seek some vague, unknown future outside. The current talk from the cabinet, none agreeing about much, shows just how they lack any coherent plan at all.
There could still be a “no deal” on Dec31st, and we could yet crash out with big overnight changes. It is all far from “over”.
Yes, youve said you have Dutch relations. Not surprising if you and your wider family and friends have some common world views, is it? Guess what? Most of my family and friends share my scepticism about Brexit! Because my circle doesnt have 52% in favour of Brexit doesnt mean I think the polls got it wrong. If your circle dont much like the EU, that is not a good clue to the country as a whole.