Carryfast:
Rjan:
[…] Wake up to how you’re being manipulated.Like Jinping you’re avin a larf.
It’s obvious that ‘if’ Putin did it then it was meant as a warning shot for the consumption of MI5 and the government not an attempt to wipe out Wiltshire or even necessarily to take out Skripal.
While we haven’t threatened anyone with any WMD attack.The fact remains that Russia stands accused of involvement in such a threat not us and unarguably then answered that accusation with more threats of WMD attack.Not exactly the actions of an innocent party.
I don’t think anything can be inferred about their guilt - one way or the other. Their actions are consistent with that of a non-ally in either case. That they are on telly crowing about the dangers to British spies, laughing at our incompetence, pumping out all sorts of disinformation, rattling the sabre of their nuclear arsenal, it’s all perfectly consistent with their being an innocent party who resent the slander and don’t feel the need to submit to our demands.
Imagine your neighbour, who has many enemies and whom you already dislike immensely, were to make a totally false allegation against you in public. You demand evidence, and you demand witnesses, and your neighbour simply taps his nose and says “I have secret sources” - and of course, we are supposing that any such source is either mistaken, maliciously false, or totally invented. At this point, would you simply submit to your accuser’s demands to let him have a look around your house, to feel the inside of your pockets, to rifle your diary and your mobile phone, and so on? Or would you march around to his house and throw a brick through every single window, and quite possibly throttle him senseless?
Reacting with threats and military force to the making of a false allegation is perfectly consistent with innocence, when the accuser lacks credibility, authority, and legitimacy.
While yes we know that NATO has for some reason been winding up the Russians after Russia’s definite act of good faith in vacating its old seized buffer states.Which is where much of the issues originate.Also obviously both sides maintaining an ongoing cold war type espionage regime against each other for some reason after the so called ‘end’ of the cold war.We’ve also got the EU and NATO acting like muppets regarding the sensitive powder keg of Ukraine by not making a clear statement that the EU and NATO has no designs or interest in Ukraine nor in allowing Ukraine to be an EU or NATO member state.Which is more or less the position of Farage as opposed to the EU and NATO.
Remind us where you stand on the issue of the EU’s foreign policy regarding the militarisation of the Russian buffer states and its intentions regarding Ukraine ?.Are you now saying that Farage was right and the EU is wrong ?.While it seems strange why you want to shift all the blame for that onto May when she is just doing as expected in acting like the puppet of the EU that she’s always been and that you’ve said that you support.
To be honest I know far too little about the fundamental issues at stake with Ukraine to make a useful response, but simply because I support the principle of an EU doesn’t mean I necessarily support every policy. By analogy, criticising Blair’s foreign policy does not necessarily go hand in hand with saying the British state should be smashed to pieces.
While as I said all bets are off in that regard now that Russia has gone full ■■■■■■ in which it’s just a case of those who are prepared to face and return that threat in kind v cowards who haven’t got the bottle and who therefore put us all at risk of what seems like a machiavellian type plan by Russia and China to create a pre text for them and their stinking Korean,Iranian and Korean allies to kick off WW3 against the west and in which Farage’s and Trump’s previous pro Russian anti EU/NATO stance throws a spanner in.On that note it’s you who needs to wake up.Although it’s my bet that you’re just a typical deluded Socialist on the side of China not the West for ideological reasons bearing in mind that it’s Jinping who’s obviously pulling Putin’s strings and who is orchestrating the whole cluster zb for his own ends.
At the end of the day, we are eventually going to have to get used to treating other nations as peers rather than subjects. I’m not on the side of China (or Russia), but ideological wars are won by consistently demonstrating our superiority, not by cheap talk - and the fact is, democracy and liberal freedom in the West is being increasingly corrupted by wealth and power, whereas the Russians have had a dose of neoliberalism that has left their society more corrupt and more unequal than in Soviet times, and the Chinese are consistently doing far better than the West in terms of economic growth.
Incidentally, you do realise that “Jinping” is Xi Jinping’s first name, not his surname? It’s as if you were referring to Mao simply as “Zedong”. 