OLD LIVESTOCK HAULIERS SHROPSHIRE

[andrew brick]

just a quick one before I get off to get some sleep,early morning 2morrow.
A couple of years ago Countrywide sent us ADR drivers to a company in Evesham for "saftey and economy" training !. This was tought by a retired copper,(nothing against retired coppers,in my book all coppers should be retired.) Anyway he took my college, Gary Fergison, yes the Gary Fergi who won lorry driver of the year award twice and is a carefull and steady experianced driver,and myself out on a unloaded Iveco box van. Well Gary went first and the instructer henpecked him so much about block changing and using his gears that he made him make loads of mistakes,which normaly Gary would never make. I went next, having listened to him picking on Gary I drove around like a zombie, cruising uphill and downhill in top, and just driving unnormally and the instructer never said a word !.. After the run had finished and I asked the instructer what he thought ,he then complemented me on my driving and reckoned that I held the cup for using the least fuel used and doing the least gearchanges. but he was surprised as hell when I told him that he was bloody dangerous,when starting off with a heavy load start in the proper gear,not a higher one and slipping the clutch, how long would the lorry stick that ? and when you go down a bank you should use your gears,one higher than you would need to go up was the golden rule., the way he was training to go down any hill in top, thus saving fuel.yes you can go downhill like this,but you probably wont reach the bottom in one piece.!,
This muppett,who by the way has never even driven a loaded lorry, teaching any young driver to drive this way is stupid and dangerous.
Anyway he had the last laugh, my boss rang me up after he had had the results and asked if I had taken my sheepdog with me....
the instructer had assessed my driving with "Livestock experience clearly evident ". I ask you!!!.

[Pebbles 74]

BRICK BROS F88 AT CRAVEN ARMS
IS THE F12 GERALD BRITTONS?

143topline / Andrew,

Lovley photo!! Given the registration (BFJ960T) & the roof spoiler I have a strong suspicion that the F12 was originally one of A.E. Stuarts from Exeter, does that sound possible? What colours would she have been painted? If I am right my Uncle, Martin Stone drove it from new.

The registration sticks in mind because my father, R.G.S Stone from Fenny Bridges (on the old A30 near Honiton) had a new Leyland Bison at the same time & the reg was very close to Stuarts F12.

Would you blokes have any other photos of Westcountry livestiock hauliers in your collections? Would love to see them!

Thanks, Andrew Stone

[143topline]

one of a e jones f89 volvos which had seen better days
took this around 1990 on a farm track down llandovery if i remember correctly

[143topline]

andrew you will recognise this one
struggling to remember where i took it, either at 3 coun. really think it was 3 countiesties or royal welsh

[143topline]

i#ll see what i can do, certainly got a few padburys . some at ludlw and some at banbury

BRICK BROS F88 AT CRAVEN ARMS
IS THE F12 GERALD BRITTONS?

143topline / Andrew,

Lovley photo!! Given the registration (BFJ960T) & the roof spoiler I have a strong suspicion that the F12 was originally one of A.E. Stuarts from Exeter, does that sound possible? What colours would she have been painted? If I am right my Uncle, Martin Stone drove it from new.

The registration sticks in mind because my father, R.G.S Stone from Fenny Bridges (on the old A30 near Honiton) had a new Leyland Bison at the same time & the reg was very close to Stuarts F12.

Would you blokes have any other photos of Westcountry livestiock hauliers in your collections? Would love to see them!

Thanks, Andrew Stone

[GrooveRider2006]

Look forward to seeing the Padburys pictures 143 topline
Thanks in advance

[143topline]

sorry pebbles put the wrong reply to your question. i think you may be correct in thinking th f12 was stuarts. although pic is b/w i have a recollection that it was that beige colour that stuarts used

BRICK BROS F88 AT CRAVEN ARMS
IS THE F12 GERALD BRITTONS?

143topline / Andrew,

Lovley photo!! Given the registration (BFJ960T) & the roof spoiler I have a strong suspicion that the F12 was originally one of A.E. Stuarts from Exeter, does that sound possible? What colours would she have been painted? If I am right my Uncle, Martin Stone drove it from new.

The registration sticks in mind because my father, R.G.S Stone from Fenny Bridges (on the old A30 near Honiton) had a new Leyland Bison at the same time & the reg was very close to Stuarts F12.

Would you blokes have any other photos of Westcountry livestiock hauliers in your collections? Would love to see them!

Thanks, Andrew Stone

[Pebbles 74]

143topline,

Thanks for the reply. I've spoken to my Uncle tonight & he is pretty sure that this F12 was the lorry he drove for Roy Stuart, he is going to look out some photos to confirm it. When I mentioned that it belonged to Gerald Britton he was even more convinced as they bought some of Stuarts gear when they packed up. He remembers Gerald Britton & several of their drivers & asked whether any of them might still be around?

This painting of Stuarts first F88 gives an idea of the original colour scheme that the F12 would have had.

(picture originally posted on this site by Removalboy)

This is a photo of the actual lorry.

(picture originally posted on this site by Bubbleman)

Looking forward to some more of these great photos!

Thanks again, Andrew Stone

[andrew brick]

Hi,very nice photos of the Stuarts old F88 240, great looking truck and handy triaxle trailer, bet she handled better than our old 3 deckers on tandems.
Just thinking ,does anybody have any shots of Williams of Worcester waggons, used to run under the handle of skyscraper 1 & skyscraper 2 ?.
also Emrys Williams ex Bulmers F88 day cab and that hughe trailer "coffin maker" that he used to pull. The old motor was parked up at the Cribbith,but I havnt been passed there for ages so not sure if its still there.Also Bill Jones (Kerry )LB81 that Bill and Keith Pinchess used to drive.
also I have a quick test, a photo of a dutch spec LB111 ( TUX 501S ) that we bought 2nd hand, but does anybody know where from (143topliner allready knows,) but does anybody else ?

[finnly300]

Hi Andrew
A very long shot at Swains just goin by TUX
Cheers Fin

Hi,very nice photos of the Stuarts old F88 240, great looking truck and handy triaxle trailer, bet she handled better than our old 3 deckers on tandems.
Just thinking ,does anybody have any shots of Williams of Worcester waggons, used to run under the handle of skyscraper 1 & skyscraper 2 ?.
also I have a quick test, a photo of a dutch spec LB111 ( TUX 01S ) that we bought 2nd hand, but does anybody know where from (143topliner allready knows, but does anybody else ?

[andrew brick]

Hi Finnly300, sorry but no,getting warm though ! Glyn did buy Xcj564T from me, I had it on local,Glyn put it on Milan !!!
regards Andrew

[143topline]

hi pebbles , nice bit of info there. i know one of britton drivers is with atcheson topeka on tankers. cannot remember his name (gary?) but very briefly met him at warwick services one sunday morning before xmas. he moved off from the pumps where i was standing waiting to photograph an irish streamline, his truck stops and he comes over to me and asked me if i was a butcher who used to go to ludlow, which was correct and i tried to place him and he said he drove an F12 for gerald britton. he had some memory as i had not seen him for at least 20 years. pity he was blocking somebody and he had to go

143topline,

Thanks for the reply. I've spoken to my Uncle tonight & he is pretty sure that this F12 was the lorry he drove for Roy Stuart, he is going to drivers look out some photos to confirm it. When I mentioned that it belonged to Gerald Britton he was even more convinced as they bought some of Stuarts gear when they packed up. He remembers Gerald Britton & several of their drivers & asked whether any of them might still be around?

This painting of Stuarts first F88 gives an idea of the original colour scheme that the F12 would have had.

(picture originally posted on this site by Removalboy)

This is a photo of the actual lorry.

(picture originally posted on this site by Bubbleman)

Looking forward to some more of these great photos!

Thanks again, Andrew Stone

[143topline]

andrew did you mean harold williams from gloucester with the bulldog macks?

Hi,very nice photos of the Stuarts old F88 240, great looking truck and handy triaxle trailer, bet she handled better than our old 3 deckers on tandems.
Just thinking ,does anybody have any shots of Williams of Worcester waggons, used to run under the handle of skyscraper 1 & skyscraper 2 ?.
also Emrys Williams ex Bulmers F88 day cab and that hughe trailer "coffin maker" that he used to pull. The old motor was parked up at the Cribbith,but I havnt been passed there for ages so not sure if its still there.Also Bill Jones (Kerry LB8! that Bill and Keith Pinchess used to drive.
also I have a quick test, a photo of a dutch spec LB111 ( TUX 501S ) that we bought 2nd hand, but does anybody know where from (143topliner allready knows,) but does anybody else ?

[andrew brick]

Hi 143toplie , yes recon your right, used to be a mustard yellow colour.,the old brain sometimes gets befudled.
regards Andrew.

[Pebbles 74]

Andrew / 143topline,

Uncle Martin was talking about those Macks from Gloucster when I spoke to him earlier - small world!! Would be great to see some shots of those!

The stepframe box behind the F88 was built by Drews of Barnstaple. The double decker that went behind the F12 was built by Houghtons?

Here is another one of Stuarts. They used to have a similar sized box on a 6-wheeler but it was prone to tipping over (on at least 2 occasions) the 8-wheeler looks bad enough to me!!!


(picture originally posted on this site by Bubbleman)

All the best! Andrew Stone

[atkidave]

Hi,very nice photos of the Stuarts old F88 240, great looking truck and handy triaxle trailer, bet she handled better than our old 3 deckers on tandems.
Just thinking ,does anybody have any shots of Williams of Worcester waggons, used to run under the handle of skyscraper 1 & skyscraper 2 ?.
also Emrys Williams ex Bulmers F88 day cab and that hughe trailer "coffin maker" that he used to pull. The old motor was parked up at the Cribbith,but I havnt been passed there for ages so not sure if its still there.Also Bill Jones (Kerry LB8! that Bill and Keith Pinchess used to drive.
also I have a quick test, a photo of a dutch spec LB111 ( TUX 501S ) that we bought 2nd hand, but does anybody know where from (143topliner allready knows,) but does anybody else ?

obvious answer might be lloyds, but as you said that 143topline knows then i'll take a guess with crowthers

[bubbleman]

Hello I thought I recognised that reg.



Cheers Bubbs.

[andrew brick]

Fantastic photo,great to see the old girl in her true colours, can you confirm that she was "dutch spec" she could certainly pull and was a much more powerfull wagon than our other Scania, which was a 274bhp.
I was offered job by Tony back in the early 80s, if I remember right it was £36. per day & trip money,never took him up oh the offfer, but to be honest I whish I had, just for a year or two,had to wait untill recent years to dive continental, & then I whished I had done it 20 odd years previous in its golden years. !.
regards Andrew

[bubbleman]

Andrew,this is what her true colours are mate. ,dunno about it being Dutch spec.



Cheers Bubbs.

[bubbleman]

Hi again,just dug this one out,do you remember it Andrew.



Cheers Bubbs.

[andrew brick]

Hi Bubbs, yes I remember her well, was a good little motor,only 305 bhp but went very well.The driver driving it in this picture was" Little "John Lewis,who was a great young driver,his first driving job was driving for us, he was always a good driver from the start, and if he had a problem on the road the first we usually knew of it is when he rang to let me know that it was allready sorted. It was a loss when he left.
We kept the Scania for quite a while,her last couple of years was spent pulling a curtainsider for H P Bulmers on distance work,mostly Scotch, the driver then was Mike Goulder, who loved that little lorry and prefered to drive it over a G reg F10 Volvo.
P S heres a bit of info for 143topline, previous to working for us Mike drove for M A Evans... driving a brand new 450 bhp 143 Topline.
regards Andrew.

[andrew brick]

andrew you will recognise this one
struggling to remember where i took it, either at 3 coun. really think it was 3 countiesties or royal welsh

Hi 143topline, nice photo of Dereks Scania, always a smart outfit but had to feel sorry for Derek at one time,he had shingels in the back,it must have been a hard time under those decks but he worked through it.
Do you have any photos of Dereks first solo motor,a bottle green scania 111. ?

[finnly300]

[finnly300]

Sorry there not shropshire livestock hauliers ,sure they may have come over the border one time or another

[andrew brick]

the paying end,not always as clean as this.

[Dave the Renegade]

Do you know who's Scania this is Andrew. I see it about a lot,but no idea where it's from.

[andrew brick]

Hi Dave, not sure but might be Chris Thomas, Beguildy,he is running a couple for his own haulage, but I might be wrong.
regards Andrew.

[143topline]

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[143topline]

andrew could this be the mack you drove to exeter. seen here at banbury market early 80;s

[Pebbles 74]

Fantastic shot there 143topline!

We finally managed to confirm that BFJ960T was originally Stuarts F12. We are hoping to scan & post some of my Uncle's photos from back then, in the not too distant future. I told him about the ex Brittons driver (Gary) that you mentioned before, he says he remembers a chap by that name, thought he might have been involved in a serious accidet whilst driving there, does any of that sound correct?

He also mentioned that Stuarts ran an AEC Mandator wagon & drag that was bought s/h from a firm called 'Perrys' from Shrewsbury. They ran it in it's original green livery for a while, eventually painting it in their normal colours. I'm wondering if it might have been ex Parrys from Bayston Hill?

Keep the photos coming gents!

Andrew Stone